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1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC Learning Alliance 150	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:53:00 - [1] - Quote I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. *Are You ScReWeD uP?* *Recruit BPO's*
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 599	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:56:00 - [2] - Quote I speculate that it will cost aurum to trade. Hello? any one there?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6788	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:59:00 - [3] - Quote I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:05:00 - [4] - Quote 1913 DfLo wrote: Will there be restrictions or fees? Well, player-to-player trades in Eve Online do not cost ISK; however, what I believe Simple Trading to be is more akin to contracts. Contracts in Eve Online are 10,000 ISK per. CCP uses this as a tiny ISK sink to keep ISK from being devalued. Dust 514 could learn a lesson from that. 1913 DfLo wrote: Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? Trading BPOs discourages AUR sales so, no, I don't see them allowing us to trade BPOs between players. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Ku Shala The Generals 1111	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:09:00 - [5] - Quote it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Burst RR should fire like a charge sniper
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6788	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:15:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. ...except on the roadmap that has been available to view since Uprising 1.10. Link. Under EPIC - User Experience: Simple Trading. So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago.... CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2375	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:19:00 - [7] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: 1913 DfLo wrote: Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? Trading BPOs discourages AUR sales so, no, I don't see them allowing us to trade BPOs between players. Well, I do not see it damaging the sales at a noticeable rate, in fact it may just improve the richer figures in the AUR community to buy and sell more. You need to know something, we can not make BPOs out of thin air and thus to continue selling these you'd have to continue buying them. Eventually someone (most probably a wealthy version of me. ) will attempt to start up a little business selling BPOs. My opinion on should we be able to sell BPOs? Somewhat, certain items such as the Skinweaves and the Exile which can no longer be attained. My question to you, Ripley, Do you think they will allow BPCs to be traded? (Such as the Logicloop and the Flying Scotsman.) Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill. Stabby Stabber.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:23:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? It's tentative, yeah. Everything on the roadmap is tentative. There isn't a single red label "Must Do" on the entire roadmap. Just infer that they intend on rolling out the features listed under each EPIC. If they get pushed back then so be it. Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago... Did a blue tag actually say the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles were going to be released? All I've ever heard is that they might release them as reskinned versions of the current Caldari and Gallente vehicles. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5208	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:26:00 - [9] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:26:00 - [10] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Well, I do not see it damaging the sales at a noticeable rate, in fact it may just improve the richer figures in the AUR community to buy and sell more. People trading BPOs for ISK might perk up the AUR sales a bit, but consider all of the people who won't have to purchase AUR because they bought their BPO from a player. sir RAVEN WING wrote: Do you think they will allow BPCs to be traded? (Such as the Logicloop and the Flying Scotsman.) They are destructible. I don't see why CCP would care about limiting the sales on these items. They eventually perish and have to be bought with AUR. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:27:00 - [11] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: So "want to do" with the lowest priority is now = "Will most certainly happen"? It's tentative, yeah. Everything on the roadmap is tentative. There isn't a single red label "Must Do" on the entire roadmap. Just infer that they intend on rolling out the features listed under each EPIC. If they get pushed back then so be it. Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm still waiting for those Amarr and Min vehicles that were confirmed to come out over a year ago... Did a blue tag actually say the Amarr and Minmatar vehicles were going to be released? All I've ever heard is that they might release them as reskinned versions of the current Caldari and Gallente vehicles. Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5209	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:32:00 - [12] - Quote Also, as a note, my personal view is everything should be give-able. Even the most unique unobtainable items in EVE can be traded. PLEX in EVE is a system that allows people to pay for game time (a real money cost) with ISK, by a trade with another player. Similarly, trading in DUST would ensure that every AUR-only item would be attainable by free players via trading. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6149	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:32:00 - [13] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. And then Dust got a new EP and CCP Rattati who both basically said, in more words, "Promises made by our predecessors are void. Dust is under new management." Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:36:00 - [14] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah they came out in fanfest 2013 showing Amarr and Min vehicles they were actual model of the amarr and min vehicles were unique and not reskinned. And then Dust got a new EP and CCP Rattati who both basically said, in more words, "Promises made by our predecessors are void. Dust is under new management." yeah that's super f*cked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6150	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:41:00 - [15] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah that's super fcked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. Dude, the previous EP was promising all sorts of over the top nonsense that the dev team could never pull off. CCP Rouge and Rattati had to wipe the slate clean and start over. Dust needed to have things prioritized; I hate to say it, but vehicle parity isn't exactly ultra important to getting new players in Dust. /me hears the vehicle pilot horde coming... I'm not saying having racial vehicle parity isn't cool! New players are Dust's lifeblood. Without them this game dies. We need new players to keep revenues up. So long as Dust continues living CCP can work on the stuff we want. Unfortunately for us, CCP develops as fast as old people ***. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6789	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:47:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Yeah that's super fcked up. Everything CCP promised is now out the window. Dude, the previous EP was promising all sorts of over the top nonsense that the dev team could never pull off. CCP Rouge and Rattati had to wipe the slate clean and start over. Dust needed to have things prioritized; I hate to say it, but vehicle parity isn't exactly ultra important to getting new players in Dust. /me hears the vehicle pilot horde coming... I'm not saying having racial vehicle parity isn't cool! New players are Dust's lifeblood. Without them this game dies. We need new players to keep revenues up. So long as Dust continues living CCP can work on the stuff we want. Unfortunately for us, CCP develops as fast as old people ***. Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6151	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:51:00 - [17] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP. It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. Play the blame game all you want; CCP, the previous EP, CCP Rouge. It's doesn't matter. What matters is the here and now. Present day Dust 514: **** everything that happened pre-Rattati. They can't undo the past anymore than you or I. They are working on making Dust work now. Does Dust need a shitload more vehicles to balance? As cool as they would be, no, not really. But we have some power to guide CCP's development. Are you on the crowdsourcing board yet? Get on there and upvote the card about the missing racial vehicles. That will tell CCP you really want those things. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:02:00 - [18] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Trying to put the fault on old EP when it is actually on CCP. Who hired the guy that made all these promises, CCP is as much of the problem as a the old EP. It's not that EP made all the old promises, it's that CCP made all the old promises. Play the blame game all you want; CCP, the previous EP, CCP Rouge. It's doesn't matter. What matters is the here and now. Present day Dust 514: **** everything that happened pre-Rattati. They can't undo the past anymore than you or I. They are working on making Dust work now. Does Dust need a shitload more vehicles to balance? As cool as they would be, no, not really. But we have some power to guide CCP's development. Are you on the crowdsourcing board yet? Get on there and upvote the card about the missing racial vehicles. That will tell CCP you really want those things. No it does matter. There need to accountability. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6151	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:07:00 - [19] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No it does matter. There need to accountability. Okay, you keep beating that drum. Keep asking for CCP Rattati and Rouge to deliver on promises they had no say in. See how far that gets you. Here is the crowdsourcing board: https://trello.com/b/8PvubQrN/dust-514-community-crowdsourcing I couldn't find a card for vehicle parity. Go there, create a card if you have an account. Hell, I'll even vote on it if you link it here. This gets it on CCP's radar. Let other players show their support of the idea. Just be aware that when given the choice of improving Dust's existing features or adding new assets, Rattati is probably going to choose the former 9 out of 10 times. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
sir RAVEN WING Kaalmayoti Warzone Control 2376	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:08:00 - [20] - Quote This thread turned into Victor and Riley talking about who's to blame about Racial Parity never happening. Kill Death Ratio is an invalid metric and thus should not be used to determine skill. Stabby Stabber.

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6154	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:11:00 - [21] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: This thread turned into Victor and Riley talking about who's to blame about Racial Parity never happening. **! Erm... Soraya Xel wrote:** Also, as a note, my personal view is everything should be give-able. I hope CCP follows you in that belief, Soraya. It would be very player-friendly if we could finally have a market for BPOs, boosters, etc. It would be incredible if players could sell off respec tokens to each other with ISK. aaand now we're back on track. My bad OP. Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:12:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: No it does matter. There need to accountability. Okay, you keep beating that drum. Keep asking for CCP Rattati and Rouge to deliver on promises they had no say in. See how far that gets you. Here is the crowdsourcing board: https://trello.com/b/8PvubQrN/dust-514-community-crowdsourcing I couldn't find a card for vehicle parity. Go there, create a card if you have an account. Hell, I'll even vote on it if you link it here. This gets it on CCP's radar. Let other players show their support of the idea. Just be aware that when given the choice of improving Dust's existing features or adding new assets, Rattati is probably going to choose the former 9 out of 10 times. It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5212	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:21:00 - [23] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" Let me explain why you are an idiot. Because the former EP made mistakes. Those promises, were a part of those mistakes. When you get a new EP, you don't tell the new guy "you have to keep making the mistakes the old EP made", because that's dumb. You seem to think that a company should be prohibited from fixing what it did wrong. Those promises were a mistake. The new team is trying not to make those mistakes. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5212	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:23:00 - [24] - Quote Also, actually, nobody at CCP ever said "I promise", "we promise", or the word "promise" either. So in addition to your poor expectations that the new EP should be forced to follow the old EP's path to run the game into the ground, you've decided that a tentative plan, which did not to fruition, now amounts to a "promise". CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 9127	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:24:00 - [25] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" Let me explain why you are an idiot. Because the former EP made mistakes. Those promises, were a part of those mistakes. When you get a new EP, you don't tell the new guy "you have to keep making the mistakes the old EP made", because that's dumb. You seem to think that a company should be prohibited from fixing what it did wrong. Those promises were a mistake. The new team is trying not to make those mistakes. And people wonder why I constantly call you the worst CPM. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5212	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:25:00 - [26] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: And people wonder why I constantly call you the worst CPM. I'm okay with you feeling that. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Yokal Bob Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 599	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:26:00 - [27] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I speculate it's not going to come out. There has been no confirmation it will come in Feb. i concur, i think feb will more likely be us required to pay aurum to play If its not anime, its not real
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 6154	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:30:00 - [28] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: I concur, i think feb will more likely be us required to pay aurum to play Thank goodness! /me affixes monocle. That should corral the peasantry quite well. Shoo shoo, your betters are playing a lovely skirmish match. Run along! Just call me Ripple. Ripple Riley. @Ripley_Riley
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6790	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:37:00 - [29] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: It's not about vehicle parity it's not about CCP rogue or rattati. It's about CCP as a company. They can't just say we hired this guy it did not work out so we hired someone else now it will work out. There should not be this get out of jail free card. I don't take it as the old EP made these promises, i take it as CCP made these promises and they were broken. If CCP rogue left tomorrow and they got a new EP and then he said. We are shutting down dust and work exclusively on legion. would you say "Well this guy did not make any promises to work on dust so that is a completely legitimate decision" Let me explain why you are an idiot. Because the former EP made mistakes. Those promises, were a part of those mistakes. When you get a new EP, you don't tell the new guy "you have to keep making the mistakes the old EP made", because that's dumb. You seem to think that a company should be prohibited from fixing what it did wrong. Those promises were a mistake. The new team is trying not to make those mistakes. So i'm just suppose to forgive CCP for making the mistakes they did because they call "Bad EP" then move on. I'm not saying they can't make changes if you would read. I said i don't care about vehicle parity. I'm saying CCP still needs to be held accountable for hiring the old EP and i'm not going just let them saying we are starting over again and let them think that i am completely okay with how being lied to by the company. The EP made mistakes, but he represented CCP at that time so CCP so it is also made that mistake. Why should i take faith in the EP. CCP as a company has not gotten my trust back because they said "New EP" and apparently people think that means all problems solved. CBM [Event] Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE & Corp Services
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5216	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:41:00 - [30] - Quote What do you mean by accountable? What do you feel CCP has to do to make you happy, Viktor? I will pass along to CCP, "Hey guys, Viktor says this is what will make him happy." CCP didn't lie to you by showing concepts for Amarr and Minmatar vehicles. They showed you a roadmap, and that roadmap didn't happen. You decided it was a promise, but it never was. There was never any assurance that was made that specific things would be delivered within a specific timeframe. So what exactly are you expecting CCP to be accountable to? CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.



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