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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 05:52:00 -
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I'm going to play the Robot Devil's Advocate here for a moment on behalf of Viktor.
Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise.
What I think Viktor is simply asking for here is not to force CCP to keep those old promises but to at least have CCP finally admit to the mistake of never being able to deliver. Remember the 750,000 SP screwup that CCP Rattati did not too long ago? He managed to get off Scott Free by the community because he admitted to his **** ups. He has the balls to come forward and say "Oops! I done goofed! Sorry, I won't let this happen again." But he didn't even stop there. Rattati even went as far as making amends with the players who felt slighted by at least trying to keep to his word saying "Ok, we'll let you have the 750,000 SP Cap for 30 days and see how it goes from there."
So far, we still have 750,000 SP weekly cap even when we are way past the 30 day mark. I guess it hasn't caused problems so far.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 05:57:00 -
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Z3dog wrote:1913 DfLo wrote:I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens.
Not likely.
If there are going to be fees imposed, those fees will likely be that of Eve Online's broker fees and sales taxes which take off only a small percentage of the value of the sale.
It will be absolutely stupid for CCP to require AUR payment just to sell a junk item. I don't see that ever happening.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 05:59:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Ku Shala wrote:it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. This would be pretty fitting. Something else to screw over newbs is exactly what this game needs. Likely to be yet another CCP band aid on a bullet wound. Maybe this one will have little blue duckies on it.
Actually, this is already happening in Eve Online with the Trade Window. Of course, new players in Eve already know what they're getting themselves into when they join. New players for Dust on the other hand might not know about this.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 06:04:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Z3dog wrote:1913 DfLo wrote:I'm wondering how simple it will be. Will there be restrictions or fees? Can we actually sell/trade our BPO's? What do y'all think? Let us know if you have info. I'll bet that it will require Aurum to use. Calling it right here. Will bring this post back up in February when this happens. Not likely. If there are going to be fees imposed, those fees will likely be that of Eve Online's broker fees and sales taxes which take off only a small percentage of the value of the sale. It will be absolutely stupid for CCP to require AUR payment just to sell a junk item. I don't see that ever happening. LOL. Jara the market agent? How about AUR to open 1 of 1 million boxes in your inventory that will likely result in dressed up starter fits?
You don't need Jara Kumora to sell anything. She's just there to boost the sell back. Also, I can grind Daily Missions for those keys without having to pay AUR in any way. Of course, this means I have 200+ boxes and only earned 6 free keys.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 06:30:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:
As far as Jara goes you are correct getting more isk is not required but neither is trading anything higher than militia gear.
I have seen 2 missions for keys that require no AUR while I have seen like 8 missions that require AUR in some form.
My point here is that I don't need to spend AUR for those. It's a hell of a grind, sure, but my point is clear.
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PS: I have Jara, but only because I'm so lonely in my merc quarters.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 06:35:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Ku Shala wrote:it will be the same as isk is exchanged, clone (a) gives x number of item to clone (b) I am expecting this. "Send Item" basically. This would be pretty fitting. Something else to screw over newbs is exactly what this game needs. Likely to be yet another CCP band aid on a bullet wound. Maybe this one will have little blue duckies on it. Actually, this is already happening in Eve Online with the Trade Window. Of course, new players in Eve already know what they're getting themselves into when they join. New players for Dust on the other hand might not know about this. The trade window in Eve lists the items being traded very clearly and requires both parties to hit accept. Soraya's post at least seems to imply it will merely be the ability to send items at the promise of sending ISK later or vice versa. I do not think we have gotten one single COMPLETED and WELL FUNCTIONING mechanic in this game so why would trading be any different. Bonus points and possibly even ISK if you can name anything that is as stated above one single COMPLETED and WELL FUNCTIONING mechanic. Before you say it, inertia dampeners and "give money" do not count.
I see what you mean.
Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 06:47:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:I'm going to play the Robot Devil's Advocate here for a moment on behalf of Viktor.
Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise.
What I think Viktor is simply asking for here is not to force CCP to keep those old promises but to at least have CCP finally admit to the mistake of never being able to deliver. Remember the 750,000 SP screwup that CCP Rattati did not too long ago? He managed to get off Scott Free by the community because he admitted to his **** ups. He has the balls to come forward and say "Oops! I done goofed! Sorry, I won't let this happen again." But he didn't even stop there. Rattati even went as far as making amends with the players who felt slighted by at least trying to keep to his word saying "Ok, we'll let you have the 750,000 SP Cap for 30 days and see how it goes from there."
So far, we still have 750,000 SP weekly cap even when we are way past the 30 day mark. I guess it hasn't caused problems so far. I could not give less f*cks about vehicle parity the thing that gets to me is how easily it was dismissed and moved away from like nothing happen along with everything else that was said would happen. So easily whipped the slate clear like i should put all my invest into the new vision without asking any questions.
But am I correct in my assumption that what you're looking for is CCP to finally come forward and publicly admit to it past mistakes? I mean, CCP did just that for Eve Online shortly after the Jita Riots of 2011 when Incarna proved to be a total cluster ****. It's shouldn't be hard for CCP to do that for Dust.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.01.06 06:48:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
I see what you mean.
Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives.
Well, I have never used Nova Knives but I do not see much bitching about them so I suppose I can accept that. One question tho: Do Nova Knives fall victim to the glitch where if you are hacking and turn you can not use said weapon?
I have not had that problem so far and I have been knifing and hacking for 2 years. If they did, it was fixed without me realizing it.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2015.01.06 06:51:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:But am I correct in my assumption that what you're looking for is CCP to finally come forward and publicly admit to it past mistakes? I mean, CCP did just that for Eve Online shortly after the Jita Riots of 2011 when Incarna proved to be a total cluster ****. It's shouldn't be hard for CCP to do that for Dust. That would be nice or some sort of why we are changing everything type of statement. They don't have to but that would help me with regaining faith and confidence in them again.
Thank you for clarifying.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 07:00:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:
I see what you mean.
Also, as to your bonus points and ISK offer... Nova Knives.
Well, I have never used Nova Knives but I do not see much bitching about them so I suppose I can accept that. One question tho: Do Nova Knives fall victim to the glitch where if you are hacking and turn you can not use said weapon? I have not had that problem so far and I have been knifing and hacking for 2 years. If they did, it was fixed without me realizing it. That glitch could be limited to the HMG as I have not had that issue in any other suit. Bonus points achieved. I will try to hop online here in a bit and drop you 5 million ISK. If not tonight I will have it to you by tomorrow.
Thanks.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 07:34:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Technically Viktor does have a point that CCP needs to be held accountable for its lack of maintaining its promises. Even if the promise was a very loose promise like "we hope to implement [insert feature here] by this time" or "we hope to fix [insert broken mechanic here] by this time" or whatever. A promise is a promise. "We hope" is now a promise? o_o Wut? So when you look at the current roadmap, if something gets bumped a patch or doesn't happen, we're going to get this whole "but CCP promised me!" thing? That's the sort of attitude that makes CCP hesitant to share their plans. Please do not make my job of getting them to communicate stuff harder by being completely and totally unreasonable.
If CCP bumps off a feature due to delays, then they should at least own up to that delay and say "sorry". But if they bump it back and pretend that nothing happened, they're going to get some angry reactions.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.06 20:16:00 -
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1913 DfLo wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:OP, simple player trading has been pushed to Next Release 1.1 (March). Well that sucks. Just saw that. Thanks for the update. o7
Well, at the very least, Simple Crafting was pushed forward to the 1.1 version of the next release which means we'll get both Simple Trading and Simple Crafting at the same time. Or so we hope.
On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
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