I would counter that the mass driver has much greater potential to cause damage than a CR. The CR has more kill potential than the MD, but the CR can only hit one target at a time. A MD can hit several. However, I am definitely all for increasing ammo some. Suppose we increase it to 36 rounds total (6 in weapon, 30 in reserve)?

I'm sorry, but any weapon that allows you to miss your opponent 6m to the left, or right, does not need a buff.

It's a low-skill weapon, meant for casual players. It should not generate as many kills or have the same effects as aim-based weapons.

I would counter that the mass driver has much greater potential to cause damage than a CR. The CR has more kill potential than the MD, but the CR can only hit one target at a time. A MD can hit several. However, I am definitely all for increasing ammo some. Suppose we increase it to 36 rounds total (6 in weapon, 30 in reserve)?

I'm sorry, but any weapon that allows you to miss your opponent 6m to the left, or right, does not need a buff.

It's a low-skill weapon, meant for casual players. It should not generate as many kills or have the same effects as aim-based weapons.

I'm sorry, but any weapon that allows you to miss your opponent 6m to the left, or right, does not need a buff.

It's a low-skill weapon, meant for casual players. It should not generate as many kills or have the same effects as aim-based weapons.

As many players know, Mass Drivers have a very limited ammunition total.

While I'm fine with it not having as much ammo as other types of weapons, there is a problem with it having too little ammo as the amount of kills it can obtain before needing a resupply is disproportionate with other weapons.

Kills Per Capacity

For example, it takes (on average) about 24 rounds to kill the average suit with a CR. Since CRs have a maximum of 325 rounds, that means you can kill about 14 enemies before needing to replenish your ammunition.

However, it takes about 4 rounds to kill an enemy with the Mass Driver, meaning you can only kill 5 players before having to replenish your ammunition. Not only is that disproportional, but that's not even enough to kill an entire squad.

Additional Kills With Ammunition Skill

Then we have the Ammunition skills, which makes things even more disproportionate. At Ammo V, the CR receives an extra 81 rounds, allowing it to kill an extra 4 people. On the other hand, the MD receives 6 rounds, which only allows it to kill 1 extra player.

Only being able to kill 1 extra player isn't worth the SP investment, especially when the CR allows you to kill 4 extra players with the same SP costs.

My Solution

Mass Driers are a Launcher, and have AoE capabilities, which means that they should still have a lower KPC than the Conventional Rifles. However, I believe that the gap needs to be reduced from 66% to somewhere reasonable, such as 35%.

That in mind, I believe that they should have an ammo capacity of 36 (30 in reserve, with 6 in the mag). Then, the Ammo skill should be +2.5 rounds per level (giving it +3 max kills instead of only +1 max kills).

This seems reasonable, I'll edit the OP to reflect this idea.


So a weapon which requires you to calculate the trajectory and travel time for each round after 10m takes less skill than a weapon which requires you to point at a target and keep clicking until you see a +50 on your screen from at least 60m away?

I know logic isn't one of your strengths, but lol.

Flux grenade. Burst scrabler pistol side arm. Nano hives. What's the problem again?

As many players know, Mass Drivers have a very limited ammunition total.

While I'm fine with it not having as much ammo as other types of weapons, there is a problem with it having too little ammo as the amount of kills it can obtain before needing a resupply is disproportionate with other weapons.

Kills Per Capacity

For example, it takes (on average) about 24 rounds to kill the average suit with a CR. Since CRs have a maximum of 325 rounds, that means you can kill about 14 enemies before needing to replenish your ammunition.

However, it takes about 4 rounds to kill an enemy with the Mass Driver, meaning you can only kill 5 players before having to replenish your ammunition. Not only is that disproportional, but that's not even enough to kill an entire squad.

Additional Kills With Ammunition Skill

Then we have the Ammunition skills, which makes things even more disproportionate. At Ammo V, the CR receives an extra 81 rounds, allowing it to kill an extra 4 people. On the other hand, the MD receives 6 rounds, which only allows it to kill 1 extra player.

Only being able to kill 1 extra player isn't worth the SP investment, especially when the CR allows you to kill 4 extra players with the same SP costs.

My Solution

Mass Driers are a Launcher, and have AoE capabilities, which means that they should still have a lower KPC than the Conventional Rifles. However, I believe that the gap needs to be reduced from 66% to somewhere reasonable, such as 35%.

That in mind, I believe that they should have an ammo capacity of 36 (30 in reserve, with 6 in the mag). Then, the Ammo skill should be +2.5 rounds per level (giving it +3 max kills instead of only +1 max kills).

As many players know, Mass Drivers have a very limited ammunition total.

While I'm fine with it not having as much ammo as other types of weapons, there is a problem with it having too little ammo as the amount of kills it can obtain before needing a resupply is disproportionate with other weapons.

Kills Per Capacity

For example, it takes (on average) about 24 rounds to kill the average suit with a CR. Since CRs have a maximum of 325 rounds, that means you can kill about 14 enemies before needing to replenish your ammunition.

However, it takes about 4 rounds to kill an enemy with the Mass Driver, meaning you can only kill 5 players before having to replenish your ammunition. Not only is that disproportional, but that's not even enough to kill an entire squad.

Additional Kills With Ammunition Skill

Then we have the Ammunition skills, which makes things even more disproportionate. At Ammo V, the CR receives an extra 81 rounds, allowing it to kill an extra 4 people. On the other hand, the MD receives 6 rounds, which only allows it to kill 1 extra player.

Only being able to kill 1 extra player isn't worth the SP investment, especially when the CR allows you to kill 4 extra players with the same SP costs.

My Solution

Mass Driers are a Launcher, and have AoE capabilities, which means that they should still have a lower KPC than the Conventional Rifles. However, I believe that the gap needs to be reduced from 66% to somewhere reasonable, such as 35%.

That in mind, I believe that they should have an ammo capacity of 36 (30 in reserve, with 6 in the mag). Then, the Ammo skill should be +2.5 rounds per level (giving it +3 max kills instead of only +1 max kills).

I think a minor base increase plus a Min Assault bonus to ammo (including Flaylock) would be a good idea. 36rds seems like a lot though.

As many players know, Mass Drivers have a very limited ammunition total.

While I'm fine with it not having as much ammo as other types of weapons, there is a problem with it having too little ammo as the amount of kills it can obtain before needing a resupply is disproportionate with other weapons.

Kills Per Capacity

For example, it takes (on average) about 24 rounds to kill the average suit with a CR. Since CRs have a maximum of 325 rounds, that means you can kill about 14 enemies before needing to replenish your ammunition.

However, it takes about 4 rounds to kill an enemy with the Mass Driver, meaning you can only kill 5 players before having to replenish your ammunition. Not only is that disproportional, but that's not even enough to kill an entire squad.

Additional Kills With Ammunition Skill

Then we have the Ammunition skills, which makes things even more disproportionate. At Ammo V, the CR receives an extra 81 rounds, allowing it to kill an extra 4 people. On the other hand, the MD receives 6 rounds, which only allows it to kill 1 extra player.

Only being able to kill 1 extra player isn't worth the SP investment, especially when the CR allows you to kill 4 extra players with the same SP costs.

My Solution

Mass Driers are a Launcher, and have AoE capabilities, which means that they should still have a lower KPC than the Conventional Rifles. However, I believe that the gap needs to be reduced from 66% to somewhere reasonable, such as 35%.

That in mind, I believe that they should have an ammo capacity of 36 (30 in reserve, with 6 in the mag). Then, the Ammo skill should be +2.5 rounds per level (giving it +3 max kills instead of only +1 max kills).

I'm sorry, but any weapon that allows you to miss your opponent 6m to the left, or right, does not need a buff.

It's a low-skill weapon, meant for casual players. It should not generate as many kills or have the same effects as aim-based weapons.

The mass driver does not need a buff in anyway

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Never considered Kaughst or Regular Trooper to be a low-skill players.
When I think low-skill, the HMG and HAV are first to come to mind.

Obviously anyone who refuses to play "L1R1 Hero" is a scrub.

Sorry, but the last thing we want again is more MD campers on roofs...

I'm sorry, but any weapon that allows you to miss your opponent 6m to the left, or right, does not need a buff.

It's a low-skill weapon, meant for casual players. It should not generate as many kills or have the same effects as aim-based weapons.

Regarding ammunition, increasing the maximum capacity to 30-36 warheads seems to fall under normal anti-personnel payload conventions (5 - 6 "full magazines"). All the anti-personnel weapons except the MD falls under this convention. Even the anti-armor / launcher weapons offer higher payload capacities
(SL: 100,000+hp; PLC: 115,500+hp; MD: 5,400+hp / 2,800+hp)

Another issue regarding ammunition is the reload animation. I'd like a individual round reload much like the shotgun, but the internal revolving magazine still needs to swivel out / in. Reload time would be variable depending on the number of units but the minimum is still 3.5 for one round.

3.5/sec FOR ONE ROUND?!?!?! No, there is no way you could possibly have meant 19 seconds for a full reload. I am gonna guess you meant 3.5 for one magazine.