DUST Search - Why don't more players strive for PC?

Her Chosen wrote:

Some people don't like playing in harsh enviroments, against good players that actually know what they are doing and coordinating with their entire team.

Some don't like the lag and the unpredictable framerates.

Some don't have the time to play that hardcore. They like to casual play, because their schedule may not allow otherwise.

Some players are misinformed as to how PC works, and how it evolves every few weeks.

blah, blah, blah... the OP's question quite the stupid one...

PC is only fun when you win more than you lose. Anyone who says otherwise, either plays once a week if lucky, or is simply lying. Most vet players that don't PC have a complete "who cares about PC?" attitude. Which isn't a wrong thing. Their's plenty of holes to poke in the endgame's implementation.
All PC does is make player's wealthier a little bit faster than pub grinding. Since the faucet got shut off on passive ISK, I have noticed less pub stompers, and less proto in pubs in general. Entire corps have died, KAPPA 514, Lord-British, Nyain San, 0uter.Heaven, etc...

The game mode in its current state is more dull than ever. less than 100 players worth fielding in the playerbase, same maps, same spam, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same.

However, the best thing about PC is it makes you a better player. It conditions you to just rise to a higher level... usually. Some players are the competence of common blueberries' play PC on a regular basis, and still can't advance in their skill level.

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Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 658	Posted - 2014.12.25 22:26:00 - [121] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Boll Spirit wrote: Planetary Conquest is just a lobby for top corps , they are the lords of war so a starting corp will never have some chance or opportunities because their enemies are extremely rich and can effor attacks , reattacks , farming isk .... So there -¦s no way to solve this unless CCP adds some new game options like a corp battle where both teams can discuss the rules before playing it ( non orbitals , all in advanced gear , no vehicules , both teams with the same clones , etc ... ). Right now districts are literally being given away to corps who can field a team and want a PC district. Sure because you farm isk from the fights, not from owning a district. Not from the real, dirty, nasty fights, but giving districts to people they could easily beat. If the small corps were good enough to hold them, they wouldn't ask permission to take them. They would just take them. Hand over a district now, stomp them at every attack window, but do not take a district. They have to buy clone packs, you just ship them in from a neighboring district for free. Or they pay for ringers to show up. (guess from which corp) Now there is no real reward for keeping them, and taking them is a pain in the behind for all of the reasons in this thread. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3571	Posted - 2014.12.25 22:57:00 - [122] - Quote Because they don't have any gun game. Fatal Absolution Director Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Back and Forth 6663	Posted - 2014.12.25 23:01:00 - [123] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Boll Spirit wrote: Planetary Conquest is just a lobby for top corps , they are the lords of war so a starting corp will never have some chance or opportunities because their enemies are extremely rich and can effor attacks , reattacks , farming isk .... So there -¦s no way to solve this unless CCP adds some new game options like a corp battle where both teams can discuss the rules before playing it ( non orbitals , all in advanced gear , no vehicules , both teams with the same clones , etc ... ). Right now districts are literally being given away to corps who can field a team and want a PC district. Sure because you farm isk from the fights, not from owning a district. Not from the real, dirty, nasty fights, but giving districts to people they could easily beat. If the small corps were good enough to hold them, they wouldn't ask permission to take them. They would just take them. Hand over a district now, stomp them at every attack window, but do not take a district. They have to buy clone packs, you just ship them in from a neighboring district for free. Or they pay for ringers to show up. (guess from which corp) Now there is no real reward for keeping them, and taking them is a pain in the behind for all of the reasons in this thread. Not true CBM [Event]Dust Hunger Games PC, ISK,EVE, Corp Services
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 791	Posted - 2014.12.25 23:37:00 - [124] - Quote Because I don't ladder SC2 or Lol or go to tournaments of (Insert game)? I like this game for its customization. I want to be able to play how I want to play when I want to play. That doesn't mean I won't try to help my team, but I really don't see the point in burning tons of protofits for maybe a reimbursement? Too many things I'd have to do that I wouldn't find fun to go all in. Not everyone wants to be a try hard. Some of us realize this is a video game and some of us don't find it fun to have to play in specific ways and follow the meta on what's good and what's bad depending on what build we are in. I don't want Dust to be my profession, what use is PC to me? Isk? For what? Playing PC?
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 674	Posted - 2014.12.26 02:40:00 - [125] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: I've tried it a few times and frankly I'm not competitive (read: good) enough. Simple at that I guess. Yeah, I realized real quick that a sense of tactics and planning strategies mean nothing compared to spam mechanics and rinse and repeat stomp methodology. It really is too predictable and easy to win if one wants to strip the life and variety right out of the game. I don't care about shooting well with a controller vs. EVERY EFFING THING ELSE! Screw this whole kdr epeen crap. Boycott Black Thursday!
Jathniel G I A N T 1361	Posted - 2014.12.26 21:41:00 - [126] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Because I don't ladder SC2 or Lol or go to tournaments of (Insert game)? I like this game for its customization. I want to be able to play how I want to play when I want to play. That doesn't mean I won't try to help my team, but I really don't see the point in burning tons of protofits for maybe a reimbursement? Too many things I'd have to do that I wouldn't find fun to go all in. Not everyone wants to be a try hard. Some of us realize this is a video game and some of us don't find it fun to have to play in specific ways and follow the meta on what's good and what's bad depending on what build we are in. I don't want Dust to be my profession, what use is PC to me? Isk? For what? Playing PC? Then don't dive "all in" into PC. There are players that have made PC a part of the life, and there are many many more that haven't. Most of the guys in GIANT were older, married men with families. Or were very deep in college work. Some were doing graduate school studies. I'm engaged myself. Or they simply always had a lot of work to do. After doing a lot of PC, waking each other up at 3am to defend districts, and doing a lot of ringing; a lot of us figured out eventually that we just didn't have the time for the hardcore competition. We lost our remaining districts gradually, because many of us were just too busy to properly be there to field an adequate defense. But we made good friends along the way. What's the point? Just be on good terms with people. If you don't want to do PC hardcore, just offer to ring a little. Make some money from it. If you're not available to ring, then just say so when folks ask you. PC does not obligate you unless you take choose to take on the obligation. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Jathniel G I A N T 1361	Posted - 2014.12.26 21:45:00 - [127] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: Kierkegaard Soren wrote: I've tried it a few times and frankly I'm not competitive (read: good) enough. Simple at that I guess. Yeah, I realized real quick that a sense of tactics and planning strategies mean nothing compared to spam mechanics and rinse and repeat stomp methodology. It really is too predictable and easy to win if one wants to strip the life and variety right out of the game. I don't care about shooting well with a controller vs. EVERY EFFING THING ELSE! Screw this whole kdr epeen crap. I'm not warring with you here, but I will call BS on this. This is complete and total bs. My old corp never had the best gun game, and we were never the best shots. But we were able to compete with and beat the best corps in this game thanks to smart thinking and strategy. Skill is only 1/3 of the ingredient. Competence makes up the rest. A handful of smart guys with half-decent aim and coordination, WILL beat a handful of slayers that have no proper situational awareness. ALWAYS. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Jathniel G I A N T 1361	Posted - 2014.12.26 21:52:00 - [128] - Quote Honestly, it just sounds like a bunch of people on this thread don't want to try. You don't want PC to reveal the strengths and weaknesses of your playstyles. That, or you're scared of people talking bad about you if you lose. Why? There's no harm in recognizing that another player may be better than you at something. When that happens, look at the situation. What happened? How can you improve? What killed me? If I had a little more eHP would the outcome have been different? If I paid attention to my range and terrain, would the outcome have been different? If I had 1 or 2 allies on comms to prep a cross fire, would the outcome have been different? As soon as you stop believing that a wall should collapse because you whack your head on it, the sooner you can improve your personal game. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Her Chosen Grade No.2 175	Posted - 2014.12.27 01:15:00 - [129] - Quote Some people don't like playing in harsh enviroments, against good players that actually know what they are doing and coordinating with their entire team. Some don't like the lag and the unpredictable framerates. Some don't have the time to play that hardcore. They like to casual play, because their schedule may not allow otherwise. Some players are misinformed as to how PC works, and how it evolves every few weeks. blah, blah, blah... the OP's question quite the stupid one... PC is only fun when you win more than you lose. Anyone who says otherwise, either plays once a week if lucky, or is simply lying. Most vet players that don't PC have a complete "who cares about PC?" attitude. Which isn't a wrong thing. Their's plenty of holes to poke in the endgame's implementation. All PC does is make player's wealthier a little bit faster than pub grinding. Since the faucet got shut off on passive ISK, I have noticed less pub stompers, and less proto in pubs in general. Entire corps have died, KAPPA 514, Lord-British, Nyain San, 0uter.Heaven, etc... The game mode in its current state is more dull than ever. less than 100 players worth fielding in the playerbase, same maps, same spam, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same. However, the best thing about PC is it makes you a better player. It conditions you to just rise to a higher level... usually. Some players are the competence of common blueberries' play PC on a regular basis, and still can't advance in their skill level. STRONG BOX ROLE CALL
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 83	Posted - 2014.12.27 03:44:00 - [130] - Quote Its cause they suk TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning

Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 361	Posted - 2014.12.27 04:02:00 - [131] - Quote Eh, if the payout was more worth the Isk, time, planning, and general fuss that it entails to do it, I would say more people would be into it. Also you have what seems like thousands of small corps. with only a hand full of guys in it. It should be a lot harder to make a corp. to help promote people to want to get into the bigger ones, who actually do PC. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 36	Posted - 2014.12.27 08:49:00 - [132] - Quote -not rewarding enough (it should at least give you half the ISK you lose during the battle, just a thought tho) -needs hours of preparation, gathering players, etc.. -cost A LOT in clone pack. -people don't know how to have fun here. Fighting a full team of Proto Sent + RE scouts isn't fun at all. -lags and framerate issues make 3/4 battles absolutely unplayable for only some players in one team, leaving the other ones stomp you as their battle is smooth.. Sometimes a battle can be fun and rewarding, but it's so rare that doing PC is only good if you have some ISK to spend!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2781	Posted - 2014.12.27 08:58:00 - [133] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Eh, if the payout was more worth the Isk, time, planning, and general fuss that it entails to do it, I would say more people would be into it. Also you have what seems like thousands of small corps. with only a hand full of guys in it. It should be a lot harder to make a corp. to help promote people to want to get into the bigger ones, who actually do PC. It's not an issue of people making corps. That should be a freedom that anyone can partake in. It;s more the lack of social tools within game to actively recruit members. And forums only attract a very small percentage of players.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 660	Posted - 2014.12.27 10:21:00 - [134] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Tesfa Alem wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Boll Spirit wrote: Planetary Conquest is just a lobby for top corps , they are the lords of war so a starting corp will never have some chance or opportunities because their enemies are extremely rich and can effor attacks , reattacks , farming isk .... So there -¦s no way to solve this unless CCP adds some new game options like a corp battle where both teams can discuss the rules before playing it ( non orbitals , all in advanced gear , no vehicules , both teams with the same clones , etc ... ). Right now districts are literally being given away to corps who can field a team and want a PC district. Sure because you farm isk from the fights, not from owning a district. Not from the real, dirty, nasty fights, but giving districts to people they could easily beat. If the small corps were good enough to hold them, they wouldn't ask permission to take them. They would just take them. Hand over a district now, stomp them at every attack window, but do not take a district. They have to buy clone packs, you just ship them in from a neighboring district for free. Or they pay for ringers to show up. (guess from which corp) Now there is no real reward for keeping them, and taking them is a pain in the behind for all of the reasons in this thread. Not true This is true, its exactly what went down when i was in Acme Special Forces. We got a chance to break into PC, and were handed a district, a "training district." The larger corps involved knew full well we were trying to get new players up to scratch, and that most of our guys could not run proto, so they farmed us for a few weeks and then FA overran us. That was the match where i stole derrith's python. PC finaly broke Ace special forces. Tried rebranding it, but the hostilities it stirred up in players fragmented us further. This is in no part the fault of any of the larger corps or CCP for that matter. Its is a huge part to play in whether or not corps or vets want to get into PC. For every F.A. there is an Ancient Exiles, or a dozen Acme S.F. Whether or not it makes you better, i'll believe that once i see PC players run ADV suits in Pubs; Credit where credit is due, i've seen saxxonamish do it, powerh8tr from rainbow effect do it, i knew molon labe can do it from when i was in thier pub channel. Most of my regular squadmates online can stomp the crap out of people with or with out proto. Not just pyrex and the masters of Universe (cringed typing that out) but Lowdevil, Red 198, Puppy Souls, Vala Prime, Lurch1st, Gramps 76, Halla Mur, Spaceman Rob...just to name a few. My top 16 players that i squad up with can take on anybody in the game. We've done it being just 6. Sad thing is nothing to unify all of us, and with different corps, different priorities about what we want from dust. But I certainly know simply saying "pc is the top end blah blah blah" simply isnt true. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5596	Posted - 2014.12.27 17:11:00 - [135] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: Some people don't like playing in harsh enviroments, against good players that actually know what they are doing and coordinating with their entire team. Some don't like the lag and the unpredictable framerates. Some don't have the time to play that hardcore. They like to casual play, because their schedule may not allow otherwise. Some players are misinformed as to how PC works, and how it evolves every few weeks. blah, blah, blah... the OP's question quite the stupid one... PC is only fun when you win more than you lose. Anyone who says otherwise, either plays once a week if lucky, or is simply lying. Most vet players that don't PC have a complete "who cares about PC?" attitude. Which isn't a wrong thing. Their's plenty of holes to poke in the endgame's implementation. All PC does is make player's wealthier a little bit faster than pub grinding. Since the faucet got shut off on passive ISK, I have noticed less pub stompers, and less proto in pubs in general. Entire corps have died, KAPPA 514, Lord-British, Nyain San, 0uter.Heaven, etc... The game mode in its current state is more dull than ever. less than 100 players worth fielding in the playerbase, same maps, same spam, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same, same. However, the best thing about PC is it makes you a better player. It conditions you to just rise to a higher level... usually. Some players are the competence of common blueberries' play PC on a regular basis, and still can't advance in their skill level. Quite the stupid question? I'd say it's the central question that needs to be answered before deciding how to change PC. I'm not sure how it could be viewed differently. Is there any other game where the premier game mode is played by such a tiny portion of its playerbase? Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5596	Posted - 2014.12.27 17:19:00 - [136] - Quote BLUNT SMKR wrote: Its cause they suk I think it has much more to do with failings in other areas of the game. Incentives to reward aggressive play, incentives to grouping up, no realistic way for newer players to develop full team playstyles, etc. I think it just says more about the individual personalities that have overcome the lack of the above to find the groups and be willing to put in the extra time. I think you could compare it to someone overcoming a poor school system to make it to a prestigious university and succeeding. Just because some have done it, doesn't mean the system shouldn't change to provide the opportunities to more. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 8975	Posted - 2014.12.27 17:23:00 - [137] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Glitch116 wrote: Takes too much time and effort for little to no gain have to put up with people bs everyone plays by the meta instead playing for fun its cookie cutter fits everywhere LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! and PC is really just too much pain in the ass Yeah, Also - LAG - I dont want to get in a game with only Sentinels and Mk.0 Assaults. Boring. +1 to the glitch, Yeah you said it. Even though I do play PC the cookie cutter fits and stale meta make the game boring because CCP can't code properly. Every match plays damn near the same, who wants that? Major issue is the lag though, if I'm putting that much money down on a fight I sure as hell don't want to list it for something as trivial as lag. CCP holds the Caldari's hand so this doesn't happen again.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2336	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:04:00 - [138] - Quote I saw something on the Trello board that gives me hope for the future. Raid. I've wanted this to be an option from Day One and if it had been, I'd have been participating in PC from Day One. TBH, I wouldn't mind participating in PC. It is one of the few things that I haven't done in Dust, admittedly by choice (made because I viewed PC as a steaming pile of elitist cronyism, same ~30 or so people moving from corp to corp acting like what they were doing mattered). I feel no need to "strive" for PC since I don't see this as an "End game" (there should be no such thing in an Open World environment, which is what Dust should ultimately be). Beyond that, games are intended to be fun, not an outlet for nerds and twitchy kids to claim that they're being "competitive". Online games can never truly be "competitive" anyway (not without a LAN center where all participants gather or FTL broadband connections for all involved players). TBH, I find it silly that anyone can claim that PC is the only competitive game mode if for no other reasons than those cited above. However, having stated this, I'll close with: 50m SP Minmatar Purist (can run Proto MinEverything) L4PC Experience, mail me if you're interested in having me on your team. I can take direction and (depending on what time matches are) be on comms. Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2336	Posted - 2014.12.27 18:06:00 - [139] - Quote Her Chosen wrote: The game mode in its current state is more dull than ever. less than 100 players worth fielding in the playerbase Any one wonder why people talk about elitist cronyism when they talk about PC? Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 235	Posted - 2014.12.27 19:11:00 - [140] - Quote A) I suck. B) I don't want to join a Corp being the anti-social sob that I am. C) Cant be bothered to find out how to get involved. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1410	Posted - 2014.12.27 19:29:00 - [141] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: BLUNT SMKR wrote: Its cause they suk I think it has much more to do with failings in other areas of the game. Incentives to reward aggressive play, incentives to grouping up, no realistic way for newer players to develop full team playstyles, etc. I think it just says more about the individual personalities that have overcome the lack of the above to find the groups and be willing to put in the extra time. I think you could compare it to someone overcoming a poor school system to make it to a prestigious university and succeeding. Just because some have done it, doesn't mean the system shouldn't change to provide the opportunities to more. Both seem to exhibit the epeen and elitism that turn so many off. I don't view PC as some prestigious school, just another community college whose students have delusions of grandeur. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1410	Posted - 2014.12.27 19:32:00 - [142] - Quote Maybe you can try Ladies Night, that seems to work for bars. Because, that's why.
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 801	Posted - 2014.12.27 19:34:00 - [143] - Quote Because if I wanted to play Skirmish with Friendly Fire I'd log in to FW and get the same experience with far less waiting and without the debilitating framerate issues.
BLUNT SMKR Ahrendee Mercenaries 83	Posted - 2014.12.27 19:40:00 - [144] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: BLUNT SMKR wrote: Its cause they suk I think it has much more to do with failings in other areas of the game. Incentives to reward aggressive play, incentives to grouping up, no realistic way for newer players to develop full team playstyles, etc. Umm they can just join a corp to learn teamplaystyles n that right there should be incentive to group up with people if they actually wanted to learn that kind of stuff. An how is there no rewards for aggressive play I earn between 2-4 mill isk a match in PC. People not in PC just don't want to get better at this game n keep running pubs cause its easy mode. It used to be so much harder to get it into PC now people giving district s out for free. An there are a lot of scrubs corps in PC now that would be a fair fight for alot of the pubstar corps that are to scared to enter PC cause of lame excuses. Dust is just full of casuals with a small handfull of competitive players sad. TeamWork>KDR I Don't Know Why They Grinning Them Suckers Ain't Winning I Could Tell You That Right From The Beginning
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3612	Posted - 2014.12.27 20:58:00 - [145] - Quote What I found astounding in this thread are the excuses people are making. Some people are saying that it isn't worth the risk, framerate issues, same game mode, etc, etc. I even read one post where a dude said that he would make the same amount of ISK in a pub lmao. You people are just making excuses for your fears or desire to stat *****. You could make $2M - $4M in one pc match...you couldn't make that playing 2 hours of skirmish in pubs...forget about faction warfare. People are talking about meaningless districts and so on.....but what is more meaningless than pubs? There is nothing worth less than a public skirmish match. In faction warfare, you can add some meaning to it but pubs gets you nothing. Of course, you have to organize squads and things of that nature, a pc match is competitive. People complain about bluedots staying in the redline or being garbage, etc. So, why not participate in a match where everyone is on the same page? It is the only mode where you can deploy 15 of your friends vs another coordinated 16 players. In FW, you may be able to deploy 16 but there is a risk of your opponent consisting of one squad and it will be a boring redline and you don't get paid ISK afterwards. At least, in a pc match, if you redline them, you'll get millions of ISK. Shield tanking is hard mode /period. > Check RND out here


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