DUST Search - Why don't more players strive for PC?

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Some people may not be in corporations that are big enough to do a PC. Some might be in corporations that are too big for them to do PC; IE "we could bring you or we could bring any of another 50 guys." Some might come to the conclusion of "what is the point?" as they are throwing out huge loads of prototype gear and money to get a district that might mean nothing to them. I don't know what the corporation policy is for other people but I have squaded with a lot of non-corp mates that did PC often and claimed they never got reimbursement.

Like Office Space: "Why am I going to bust my ass so McNotRealName's corp wallet goes up a quarter of a point?"

PC is obnoxious. It requires a lot of effort to get a herd of cats together. Without everyone having keyboards, sending messages is a complete pain in DUST. In EVE, messages can be sent quickly and a roam set up fairly fast especially if you are in a NPSI type fleet. DUST also has far, far fewer players so getting 16 people is more annoying than even getting 40 or 50 players. DUST is far more casual than EVE, which I think is a good thing overall. But how many players are going to set their alarm clocks at 2 AM to take place in a battle?

There is also the quip of "Why would I spend all this time to get in a match that is going to be full prototype gear with squads when I can just play Domination and run into the same thing without an hour setup?" PC is the exact same game that we are all playing. What is the point of playing a feature that CCP states is "what everyone should be striving for" when it is absolutely, 100% no different than any other match aside from things that are frustrating? PC is a normal match that requires full prototype, is often more laggy, requires significant setup, happens at inopportune times, makes you unable to "try something different" but is somehow "more important" while giving less rewards. You can get 1,000,000+ from PC *if you win* but in the setup time I bet you could get more money running Ambushes with less risk as you wouldn't need to stay prototype in a horrible situation.

PC is pointless to me for the above stated reasons. Sure, it is fun to have high quality fights but you can get that in public games because most everyone is prototyped. The only thing about PC that I thought was useful was the locked PC matches that were used for training purposes. This is where you would learn to fly an ADS or teach your members different tactics. Hell, sometimes they're were just fun slugfests like "Directors vs. Members." But all that is just what Corp Matches could be again. Honestly, high stake Corp Matches where each side puts up a varying amount of ISK and the winning side gets 95% of the pot (if you want to get ISK out of the game) would serve the same purpose as PC but also allow each side to set a time that works for both of them as well as having a training ground again.

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5536	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:45:00 - [1] - Quote Aside from the generic BS, what are the real reasons some veteran players just act as though it isn't there as an option? Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6514	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:46:00 - [2] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Aside from the generic BS, what are the real reasons some veteran players just act as though it isn't there as an option? No Isk to run a full game of proto Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5536	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:49:00 - [3] - Quote That's a good start. Should help dispel the mythical need for ISK sinks. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Glitch116 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 151	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:50:00 - [4] - Quote Takes too much time and effort for little to no gain have to put up with people bs everyone plays by the meta instead playing for fun its cookie cutter fits everywhere LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! and PC is really just too much pain in the ass I AM THE KING OF THE BLASTER!!! deal with it
hfderrtgvcd 1658	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:52:00 - [5] - Quote Its because most people view pc players as elitist pubstompers earning millions of isk a day. In reality, most of us want just want competitive fun games and pc is the best place to find them. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6555	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:53:00 - [6] - Quote Glitch116 wrote: Takes too much time and effort for little to no gain have to put up with people bs everyone plays by the meta instead playing for fun its cookie cutter fits everywhere LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! and PC is really just too much pain in the ass This. PC just isn't fun. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5538	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:54:00 - [7] - Quote Glitch116 wrote: Takes too much time and effort for little to no gain have to put up with people bs everyone plays by the meta instead playing for fun its cookie cutter fits everywhere LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! and PC is really just too much pain in the ass Agreed. I think quicker spawn times for battles instead of 24-48 hours along with a team/platoon UI eliminates the constant 16 vs 16 best of the best. It would ease some of the logistical burden and force corporations to use more of their players out of necessity. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6515	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:54:00 - [8] - Quote Glitch116 wrote: Takes too much time and effort for little to no gain have to put up with people bs everyone plays by the meta instead playing for fun its cookie cutter fits everywhere LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! and PC is really just too much pain in the ass Yeah, Also - LAG - I dont want to get in a game with only Sentinels and Mk.0 Assaults. Boring. +1 to the glitch, Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
Robocop Junior research lab 1059	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote Glitch said everything I was especially the cookie cutter fits. Everyone running the same exact fits & same exact strategies. I can get that in pubs without waiting 45 mins. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Moochie Cricket Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 922	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:55:00 - [10] - Quote Lag/framerate issues. If PC ran as smooth as pubs it would be so much more enjoyable. FOR THE STATE

robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 353	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:55:00 - [11] - Quote Because there's only a small handful of corps that are large enough to do pc, and us small guys just can't compete and refuse to join one of the large "elite" corps so we just say screw it. Robin Williams endorses this corp
hfderrtgvcd 1658	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:57:00 - [12] - Quote robin williams' ghost wrote: Because there's only a small handful of corps that are large enough to do pc, and us small guys just can't compete and refuse to join one of the large "elite" corps so we just say screw it. There 68 corps currently in pc. Thats quite a bit more than a "small handful" You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Jack 3enimble Titans of Phoenix 647	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:57:00 - [13] - Quote Because people think they're good running a 4.0 kd/r in pubs against noobs and pc ruins that Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you! Lord of the Links
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5538	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:58:00 - [14] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Glitch said everything I was especially the cookie cutter fits. Everyone running the same exact fits & same exact strategies. I can get that in pubs without waiting 45 mins. I think with more people involved and battles happening more often you'd get more variety and shorter wait times. Especially if you could also team deploy into FW. Corps could have multiple teams running from PCs to FW and back again. My biggest fear is that changes to PC will still involve only the few that currently participate. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 450	Posted - 2014.12.24 18:59:00 - [15] - Quote Glitch hit all my points. Those & there don't seem to be any going on durimg my window of play, typically 3-4 hours before downtime. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5539	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:00:00 - [16] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Because there's only a small handful of corps that are large enough to do pc, and us small guys just can't compete and refuse to join one of the large "elite" corps so we just say screw it. There 68 corps currently in pc. Thats quite a bit more than a "small handful" To be fair though there's less than a handful that could decimate the entire landscape with the current mechanics. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
robin williams' ghost whisky tango foxtrot sir 354	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:00:00 - [17] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: robin williams' ghost wrote: Because there's only a small handful of corps that are large enough to do pc, and us small guys just can't compete and refuse to join one of the large "elite" corps so we just say screw it. There 68 corps currently in pc. Thats quite a bit more than a "small handful" No I'd call that a small handful. Robin Williams endorses this corp
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 450	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:01:00 - [18] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: My biggest fear is that changes to PC will still involve only the few that currently participate. That is a valid fear. Have you considered a career in costumed aggression?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5539	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:02:00 - [19] - Quote 2Berries wrote: Glitch hit all my points. Those & there don't seem to be any going on durimg my window of play, typically 3-4 hours before downtime. I'm in the same boat. One of the main reasons I think PC is so limited. Those timers and the mechanics have everything confined to so few. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14678	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:03:00 - [20] - Quote PC's not as scary as some make it out to be, and it's very refreshing compared to the 6v16 matches in PUBs. If anyone wants to see what PC is like, feel free to ask Kardia Scorpio or Solar Qoio (our FCs) and they'll let you in if we aren't full or need our best players for the match. Glitch116 wrote: its cookie cutter fits everywhere It depends on which suit you're using. While I won't deny that there are a lot of suits which are limited to specific fittings in the competitive scene, there are some which have a variety of competitive loadouts (ie, Minmatar Assault). The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6515	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:03:00 - [21] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: Because people think they're good running a 4.0 kd/r in pubs against noobs and pc ruins that I dont check my K-D too often (last time was around 2.5) But im sure im NOT at 4Kd-r And i run mostly pubs....u.u Me = Lame Amarrian Born And State Patriot.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5539	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:05:00 - [22] - Quote 2Berries wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: My biggest fear is that changes to PC will still involve only the few that currently participate. That is a valid fear. Only with more power. Upgradable districts and warbarges with modules that provide bonuses, etc. We are currently on the opposite end of the spectrum of Planetside 2 in the conquest game mode. I think it needs to be somewhere in the middle. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Robocop Junior research lab 1060	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:08:00 - [23] - Quote Plus you never actually play the corp that attacks you. Scheduled to play the Mets, yet the Yankees show up :/ If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 2169	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:09:00 - [24] - Quote Because it's a royal pain in the arse to run and organise in its current itteration. Because there are too many people in that take it waaaaaaaaaaayyy too seriously. Because it's full of elitists that think those that don't like doing it 'don't get it' I'm just spitballing CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5541	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:13:00 - [25] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Plus you never actually play the corp that attacks you. Scheduled to play the Mets, yet the Yankees show up :/ That hasn't been the case for the last few months. But that's mostly because there's been a gentleman's agreement to not take the last district. Some of the old neck beards are back though and do not like this one bit. I agree that it's not the same when it's not for keeps, but we wrongly thought it would create an environment where more people would get involved. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2990	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:14:00 - [26] - Quote Some people may not be in corporations that are big enough to do a PC. Some might be in corporations that are too big for them to do PC; IE "we could bring you or we could bring any of another 50 guys." Some might come to the conclusion of "what is the point?" as they are throwing out huge loads of prototype gear and money to get a district that might mean nothing to them. I don't know what the corporation policy is for other people but I have squaded with a lot of non-corp mates that did PC often and claimed they never got reimbursement. Like Office Space: "Why am I going to bust my ass so McNotRealName's corp wallet goes up a quarter of a point?" PC is obnoxious. It requires a lot of effort to get a herd of cats together. Without everyone having keyboards, sending messages is a complete pain in DUST. In EVE, messages can be sent quickly and a roam set up fairly fast especially if you are in a NPSI type fleet. DUST also has far, far fewer players so getting 16 people is more annoying than even getting 40 or 50 players. DUST is far more casual than EVE, which I think is a good thing overall. But how many players are going to set their alarm clocks at 2 AM to take place in a battle? There is also the quip of "Why would I spend all this time to get in a match that is going to be full prototype gear with squads when I can just play Domination and run into the same thing without an hour setup?" PC is the exact same game that we are all playing. What is the point of playing a feature that CCP states is "what everyone should be striving for" when it is absolutely, 100% no different than any other match aside from things that are frustrating? PC is a normal match that requires full prototype, is often more laggy, requires significant setup, happens at inopportune times, makes you unable to "try something different" but is somehow "more important" while giving less rewards. You can get 1,000,000+ from PC if you win but in the setup time I bet you could get more money running Ambushes with less risk as you wouldn't need to stay prototype in a horrible situation. PC is pointless to me for the above stated reasons. Sure, it is fun to have high quality fights but you can get that in public games because most everyone is prototyped. The only thing about PC that I thought was useful was the locked PC matches that were used for training purposes. This is where you would learn to fly an ADS or teach your members different tactics. Hell, sometimes they're were just fun slugfests like "Directors vs. Members." But all that is just what Corp Matches could be again. Honestly, high stake Corp Matches where each side puts up a varying amount of ISK and the winning side gets 95% of the pot (if you want to get ISK out of the game) would serve the same purpose as PC but also allow each side to set a time that works for both of them as well as having a training ground again. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5541	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:16:00 - [27] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Because it's a royal pain in the arse to run and organise in its current itteration. Because there are too many people in that take it waaaaaaaaaaayyy too seriously. Because it's full of elitists that think those that don't like doing it 'don't get it' I'm just spitballing Me too, it should be painfully obvious that it's just not attractive as an option for most. Instead is seeing that, the 1% just believe they are head and shoulders above the playerbase. I agree that most of the veteran PC community are far better players than the average pubby, but if the hook for PC was enough I believe there's plenty of players capable of PC with some more direction on skilling, tactics, and fits. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5543	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:19:00 - [28] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Some people may not be in corporations that are big enough to do a PC. Some might be in corporations that are too big for them to do PC; IE "we could bring you or we could bring any of another 50 guys." Some might come to the conclusion of "what is the point?" as they are throwing out huge loads of prototype gear and money to get a district that might mean nothing to them. I don't know what the corporation policy is for other people but I have squaded with a lot of non-corp mates that did PC often and claimed they never got reimbursement. Like Office Space: "Why am I going to bust my ass so McNotRealName's corp wallet goes up a quarter of a point?" PC is obnoxious. It requires a lot of effort to get a herd of cats together. Without everyone having keyboards, sending messages is a complete pain in DUST. In EVE, messages can be sent quickly and a roam set up fairly fast especially if you are in a NPSI type fleet. DUST also has far, far fewer players so getting 16 people is more annoying than even getting 40 or 50 players. DUST is far more casual than EVE, which I think is a good thing overall. But how many players are going to set their alarm clocks at 2 AM to take place in a battle? There is also the quip of "Why would I spend all this time to get in a match that is going to be full prototype gear with squads when I can just play Domination and run into the same thing without an hour setup?" PC is the exact same game that we are all playing. What is the point of playing a feature that CCP states is "what everyone should be striving for" when it is absolutely, 100% no different than any other match aside from things that are frustrating? PC is a normal match that requires full prototype, is often more laggy, requires significant setup, happens at inopportune times, makes you unable to "try something different" but is somehow "more important" while giving less rewards. You can get 1,000,000+ from PC if you win but in the setup time I bet you could get more money running Ambushes with less risk as you wouldn't need to stay prototype in a horrible situation. PC is pointless to me for the above stated reasons. Sure, it is fun to have high quality fights but you can get that in public games because most everyone is prototyped. The only thing about PC that I thought was useful was the locked PC matches that were used for training purposes. This is where you would learn to fly an ADS or teach your members different tactics. Hell, sometimes they're were just fun slugfests like "Directors vs. Members." But all that is just what Corp Matches could be again. Honestly, high stake Corp Matches where each side puts up a varying amount of ISK and the winning side gets 95% of the pot (if you want to get ISK out of the game) would serve the same purpose as PC but also allow each side to set a time that works for both of them as well as having a training ground again. I believe you've about covered it. Somebody send this to Rattati. Low payouts ensure that only the best are running decent gear.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1438	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:22:00 - [29] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Aside from the generic BS, what are the real reasons some veteran players just act as though it isn't there as an option? It is a useless game mode. You are far better off organizing a 16v16 Q sync in factional and gambling the 50 million ISK. You can get the same effect, have a fair battle that is not skewed by bad clone mechanics and repeat as many times as you like. As an Attacker: Spending 50 million ISK to be online at a certain time of the day to go in to a battle that you are likely the underdog by far has absolutely zero appeal to me. As a Defender: Again having to run to my PS3 at a certain time of the day is not appealing at all. The fact that the battle will take place and screw your clone count over if the servers are down or if your team as a mass DC is a bit broken but there is not a lot that can be done about that. Districts are nothing but a broken item used for farming by those who for some reason think they need 100 million SP and have to cap out every week. The money made from PC can be made in Ambush in a short amount of time with less stress and far more fun.
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 155	Posted - 2014.12.24 19:29:00 - [30] - Quote Because I'm not known enough. There's also really bad lag and then it makes me look like I'm terrible. Last is because of ISK funds. Medium and Lower class aren't funded... Python pilot Logistics mk.0 Assault mk.0



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