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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:53:00 -
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Every pub match I have played now I was on the side with little to no uplinks and none of them in decent locations to be able to fight. Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5537
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:54:00 -
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Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves?
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves?
I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me.
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Varoth Drac
Titans of Phoenix
501
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:00:00 -
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Not again. You can run anything except a sentinel and keep links up. That is the choice to make. I don't see how this is unfair. |
Varoth Drac
Titans of Phoenix
501
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:03:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves? I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me.
I literally don't understand this post at all. Your links don't dissappear when you die. You can still fight.
Did people really only use links before swapping to sentinels? You know you will do much better in the game if you put your links somewhere more useful than next to a supply depot. Then you can fight instead of seeking out said depot and waste time switching suits. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5541
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:03:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me.
Oh, so no one is telling you that you can't run uplinks, I see.
Run uplinks on an assault fitting. Assaults get an equipment slot and 8Mb bandwidth, use it. The advanced uplink can have two active. Or run with a squad and coordinate who is going to carry what equipment. My squads have two people deploying uplinks at all times.
Adapt or die.
My advice to you, playa...
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:06:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. Oh, so no one is telling you that you can't run uplinks, I see. Run uplinks on an assault fitting. Assaults get an equipment slot and 8Mb bandwidth, use it. The advanced uplink can have two active. Or run with a squad and coordinate who is going to carry what equipment. My squads have two people deploying uplinks at all times. Adapt or die.
Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot an objective or on top of a building anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much.
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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Nonoriri ko
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:08:00 -
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I use a mass driver, stay at the back of the pack.
I carry adv. uplinks, flux scanner, flux repper, and butt injector.
Lay down links, scan, rep anyone hurt, revive anyone dead,
and mass driver to shoot from real far away.
Yes it sucks only being able to use 2 equipments for now.
But you dont have to whine, just adapt.
Spread your specialties around.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5541
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:09:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot or an objective anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much. I'm willing to bet OP was one of those people who began a match in a logi dropsuit to spam nanohives/uplinks then swap to a light assault scout or HMG sentinel to slay. Those seem to be the only folks really upset by this change because they can no longer earn 3,000 WP's per match with minimal effort.
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:09:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. Oh, so no one is telling you that you can't run uplinks, I see. Run uplinks on an assault fitting. Assaults get an equipment slot and 8Mb bandwidth, use it. The advanced uplink can have two active. Or run with a squad and coordinate who is going to carry what equipment. My squads have two people deploying uplinks at all times. Adapt or die.
And now you are the one telling me what to run. (Joking)
Argue how you like but in the pubs I have run to see what effect it is having they were worse than normal proto stomps with an absolute **** flow and most of my team ended up in the MCC before the battle was half over. It was expected that it would ruin pace of play and it has done exactly that.
Lets also not forget that the explaining of this mechanic is absolutely terrible in game. I made several threads asking how this would be presented to new players with little to no answers. Now we are left attempting to support newbies who have ZERO understanding for an over complicated mechanic. Its an outright disaster of a mechanic IMO. |
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:11:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot or an objective anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much. I'm willing to bet OP was one of those people who began a match in a logi dropsuit to spam nanohives/uplinks then swap to a light assault scout or HMG sentinel to slay. Those seem to be the only folks really upset by this change because they can no longer earn 3,000 WP's per match with minimal effort.
Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol.
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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Robocop Junior
research lab
870
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:11:00 -
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Since rooftop camping/uplink spam isn't a big a deal anymore can FG have it's splash damage back? :D
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:12:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Since rooftop camping/uplink spam isn't a big a deal anymore can FG have it's splash damage back? :D
hmmmm maybe lol
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot or an objective anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much. I'm willing to bet OP was one of those people who began a match in a logi dropsuit to spam nanohives/uplinks then swap to a light assault scout or HMG sentinel to slay. Those seem to be the only folks really upset by this change because they can no longer earn 3,000 WP's per match with minimal effort.
You are a little bit right. I did not spawn with uplinks but would quickly switch to them when I saw our team in need of them. Yes it did lead to a lot of warpoints in some matches but I could care less about that. I already have more ISK than I can spend, BPOs all around, and I am nearly maxed out in every Amarr suit/weapon.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5544
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:15:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol. The worst are the players who would drop fields of triage nanohives then stand in them as a Gallente or Amarr HMG sentinel.
Slightly off topic: Have you earned some of that sweet, sweet Objective Guardian WP? Are you kidding me? Drop an uplink within 50m of a held objective, between it and a taken objective... the WP's just roll in...
Mostly thanks to people like OP who refuse to fit uplinks 
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:15:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves? I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. I literally don't understand this post at all. Your links don't dissappear when you die. You can still fight. Did people really only use links before swapping to sentinels? You know you will do much better in the game if you put your links somewhere more useful than next to a supply depot. Then you can fight instead of seeking out said depot and waste time switching suits.
Very rarely are my links any where near a supply depot. The simple fact is there is no fun in dying repeatedly to scouts because you are in a slow, blind, and overpriced suit just to keep your links alive. Sure you can switch to assault or commando and keep some of your links alive but these are useless when fighting a full team of scouts (for my scrub self anyway)
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5544
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:16:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Since rooftop camping/uplink spam isn't a big a deal anymore can FG have it's splash damage back? :D Did you finish your homework and take out the trash?
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:17:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol. The worst are the players who would drop fields of triage nanohives then stand in them as a Gallente or Amarr HMG sentinel. Slightly off topic: Have you earned some of that sweet, sweet Objective Guardian WP? Are you kidding me? Drop an uplink within 50m of a held objective, between it and a taken objective... the WP's just roll in... Mostly thanks to people like OP who refuse to fit uplinks
When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:18:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol. The worst are the players who would drop fields of triage nanohives then stand in them as a Gallente or Amarr HMG sentinel. Slightly off topic: Have you earned some of that sweet, sweet Objective Guardian WP? Are you kidding me? Drop an uplink within 50m of a held objective, between it and a taken objective... the WP's just roll in... Mostly thanks to people like OP who refuse to fit uplinks
lolz actually I think that's what I did once to get a whole lot of points during a domination in one of those new maps we got in 1.9 , I was actually suprised that those uplinks didnt get destroyed much. Those objective guardian wp are great
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5544
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:18:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
When you are losing millions of ISK to keep links up there isn't anything wrong with the links or bandwidth, you are doing it wrong. I'd have to see you play before I could tell you what exactly.
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1304
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:43:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
When you are losing millions of ISK to keep links up there isn't anything wrong with the links or bandwidth, you are doing it wrong. I'd have to see you play before I could tell you what exactly.
Yep I must be doing it all wrong.
My slow half blind proto logi suit with no weapons bonuses and **** for hit points is a great scout killer.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1304
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:47:00 -
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The simple fact is bandwidth is ****, it is not explained at all to new players (VERY bad for NPE), and it starts down a dangerous road of having our fittings essentially dictated by CCP to us which is against a core value which previously made this game inviting. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1304
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:53:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
When you are losing millions of ISK to keep links up there isn't anything wrong with the links or bandwidth, you are doing it wrong. I'd have to see you play before I could tell you what exactly.
You were right. The problem was I was trying to provide support for my team AND win the match. A quick link drop and then hovering the redline in my dropship waiting for my links to get popped is far more profitable and less stressful. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1703
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:54:00 -
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to many players have relied on spam for far too long.
adapt
All Hail Legion
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Meeko Fent
True Illuminate
2273
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:58:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves? I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. I literally don't understand this post at all. Your links don't dissappear when you die. You can still fight. Did people really only use links before swapping to sentinels? You know you will do much better in the game if you put your links somewhere more useful than next to a supply depot. Then you can fight instead of seeking out said depot and waste time switching suits.
Yeah...
People don't understand that very much.
I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1311
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:02:00 -
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LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:09:00 -
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Honestly not seeing the problem.
It's not a complicated mechanic - *at all*. At worst you are adding up numbers less than 10. Really? I can tell you right now off the top of my head what the BW figures of my equipment are. But...I don't need to know...coz I can put it all down! (ADV suit - 3 slots, L4 links, L1 - L2 hives) <--- actually meaning to carry better hives soon.
I run Amarr ADV logi when we need uplinks..meaning nobody else is putting them down (or none decent or in the right place anyway). So I specialise in uplinks...when they're needed. Otherwise I'm in a Minja fit.
I did this hotfixes A thru D and 1.9, and I can do it 1.10. I can still put everything down I put down before, and before there was no problem. You can't tell me bandwidth is causing a problem for a logi doing it like this..which is surely the "right" way?
Here is what I generally do when I switch to ADV Amarr Logi:
- assess battlefield, drop L4 uplink where I think it will be useful
- assess battlefield again, get away from uplink if I can, and see where my blues are
Either I will move elsewhere and get the 2nd link down (that's it, that's all my links down, I use a single slot for them), or I will help my team defend or push (as someone else said here, typically staying towards the back and using splash weapons) and nades. Drop hives where appropriate. I don't do repping currently.
I'm having a hard time understanding how a logi is so poor for combat compared to an assault. Sure they aren't as good at slaying, but it's not like they can't survive. Logi has better innate EWAR too. You just gotta wait for your team / squad. That's the only time the logi laying uplinks is in a pickle...but don't lay them where the reds can get to you too quickly. Be discreet if your team is struggling.
Otherwise you're just running with a pack, supporting and suppressing as needed. If you're overrun by a more organised team, that's bugger all to do with your suit and everything to do with your team.
Anyway...I'm no pro logi by any stretch - but that's my two penneth.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:12:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this.
lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-)
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1312
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:20:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-)
Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:22:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit.
But....your logi can fight! ::sadface::
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1312
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:24:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit. But....your logi can fight! ::sadface::
Yes it does GREAT* against 3 shotgun scouts.
*great at feeding kills.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1312
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:35:00 -
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I think the real question here is why CCP has decided to make it as difficult as possible for you to help your team win. I said it when bandwidth was introduced and I will say it again, locking people in roles when we only have 16 per side is a TERRIBLE idea. |
Vell0cet
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2662
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:46:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit.
You're not Trapped in your logi suit. All assaults have BW to support that 1 uplink you supplied.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Jack 3enimble
Titans of Phoenix
580
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:55:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Not again. You can run anything except a sentinel and keep links up. That is the choice to make. I don't see how this is unfair.
This. OP is a whiny little fukstik
Dealing justice with a swift punch in the balls, now in battles near you!
Lord of the Links
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1312
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Posted - 2014.12.12 00:01:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit. You're not Trapped in your logi suit. All assaults have BW to support that 1 uplink you supplied.
Yes ONE uplink is amazingly useful. The 25 mini flux OBs that get dropped per match will never take it out.
Obviously you have never seen a dedicated link logi. You sure do not complain when you are spawning on his links tho.
2+2+3 does not equal 1 and certainly is not supported by any suit aside from a logi. Only a proto logi will support this. Getting them out and hiding them is hard enough but now to keep them alive you have to do nothing else for your team. |
Imp Smash
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
475
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Posted - 2014.12.12 00:09:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit.
OP. If you are not a logi you shouldn't have a ton of equipment. BW enforces this. What you are saying literally translates to "I can't get around the rules anymore. Using suit swapping/respawning I was able to run a slayer suit while still logi supporting. Now if I want to logi support for my team I have to actually BE a logi."
You will get no sympathy here. |
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Posted - 2014.12.12 08:24:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit. But....your logi can fight! ::sadface:: Yes it does GREAT* against 3 shotgun scouts. *great at feeding kills.
We're going around in circles. 3 on 1, you should lose every time, regardless of your suit. Effectiveness of being a logi and getting links down has not changed for me for reasons stated already.
I suspect the difference between our styles and experience is that I stay in the suit, and I only deploy a maximum of two uplinks at one time. I am likely to die if I am not with other blues. This is what I expect. This is how it should be.
The only argument I have heard the last few weeks against bandwidth is from ppl who think they should be able to retain logi suit bonuses in a different suit. I suspect running logi solo (as I do, and I suspect you do too?) is not very efficient - logi supports blues, blues protect logi.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 08:47:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
The only argument I have heard the last few weeks against bandwidth is from ppl who think they should be able to retain logi suit bonuses in a different suit. I suspect running logi solo (as I do, and I suspect you do too?) is not very efficient - logi supports blues, blues protect logi.
Well and there we have it, blues protecting logi is wishful thinking!!! |
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Posted - 2014.12.12 08:54:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
The only argument I have heard the last few weeks against bandwidth is from ppl who think they should be able to retain logi suit bonuses in a different suit. I suspect running logi solo (as I do, and I suspect you do too?) is not very efficient - logi supports blues, blues protect logi.
Well and there we have it, blues protecting logi is wishful thinking!!!
Really? If I worded it like this:
~ Logi supports blues, receives indirect protection from blues with good battle awareness
Would that be better? Not suggesting blues have to be a bodyguard, just that logi should understand where to be in the thick of battle
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Imp Smash wrote:deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit. OP. If you are not a logi you shouldn't have a ton of equipment. BW enforces this. What you are saying literally translates to "I can't get around the rules anymore. Using suit swapping/respawning I was able to run a slayer suit while still logi supporting. Now if I want to logi support for my team I have to actually BE a logi." You will get no sympathy here.
So I shouldn't be able to lay a mine field and support my team? It takes at least 6 proximity mines to blow a tank, the only suit that can keep them up with a couple of hives and a link is a proto logi. That's not right, I shouldn't have to risk a 200k suit in order for my team to spawn and have ammo. |
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deezy dabest wrote:Every pub match I have played now I was on the side with little to no uplinks and none of them in decent locations to be able to fight. Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed.
What do you expect from public matches?
That they'll spam links until you get one in a good spot? Nah won't happen.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 09:35:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Imp Smash wrote:deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit. OP. If you are not a logi you shouldn't have a ton of equipment. BW enforces this. What you are saying literally translates to "I can't get around the rules anymore. Using suit swapping/respawning I was able to run a slayer suit while still logi supporting. Now if I want to logi support for my team I have to actually BE a logi." You will get no sympathy here. So I shouldn't be able to lay a mine field and support my team? It takes at least 6 proximity mines to blow a tank, the only suit that can keep them up with a couple of hives and a link is a proto logi. That's not right, I shouldn't have to risk a 200k suit in order for my team to spawn and have ammo.
That's just it - that's the only argument you have in the defense of this. "I can't blow up tanks." You can still do literally everything else - but you can't set up traps in the middle of the road for easy WP and kills.
Yea, defiantly no sympathy here. Go earn your SP and kills.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 09:43:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:
That's just it - that's the only argument you have in the defense of this. "I can't blow up tanks." You can still do literally everything else - but you can't set up traps in the middle of the road for easy WP and kills.
Yea, defiantly no sympathy here. Go earn your SP and kills.
You're missing the point. In order to do both I'm locked in one suit that costs a stupid amount. Equipment spam is only a problem because on one map it causes frame rate lag. Btw I have been using proximity mines for ages and rarely spamed equipment, the fact that a person who wants to support their team is restricted to a certain suit is ridiculous. |
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Posted - 2014.12.12 09:49:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:
That's just it - that's the only argument you have in the defense of this. "I can't blow up tanks." You can still do literally everything else - but you can't set up traps in the middle of the road for easy WP and kills.
Yea, defiantly no sympathy here. Go earn your SP and kills.
You're missing the point. In order to do both I'm locked in one suit that costs a stupid amount. Equipment spam is only a problem because on one map it causes frame rate lag. Btw I have been using proximity mines for ages and rarely spamed equipment, the fact that a person who wants to support their team is restricted to a certain suit is ridiculous.
But you can support them - you have a choice of 4 logi's.
Why do scouts get to be demolition experts? It makes way more sense that a player in a suit built for equipment would use it - while the scout built for speed and assassination wouldn't rely on high explosives.
And after you place all your RE's - in that logi suit switch to a slayer version of it - wa-la - you have remotes and a slayer-like suit.
Having both is a bit much considering costs of risk vs reward
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Posted - 2014.12.12 09:57:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:
That's just it - that's the only argument you have in the defense of this. "I can't blow up tanks." You can still do literally everything else - but you can't set up traps in the middle of the road for easy WP and kills.
Yea, defiantly no sympathy here. Go earn your SP and kills.
You're missing the point. In order to do both I'm locked in one suit that costs a stupid amount. Equipment spam is only a problem because on one map it causes frame rate lag. Btw I have been using proximity mines for ages and rarely spamed equipment, the fact that a person who wants to support their team is restricted to a certain suit is ridiculous. But you can support them - you have a choice of 4 logi's. Why do scouts get to be demolition experts? It makes way more sense that a player in a suit built for equipment would use it - while the scout built for speed and assassination wouldn't rely on high explosives. And after you place all your RE's - in that logi suit switch to a slayer version of it - wa-la - you have remotes and a slayer-like suit. Having both is a bit much considering costs of risk vs reward
I don't want to have to run proto to keep my equipment up. I have 2 logis, gal and min, I have one scout and thats only because I have all gallente gear proto. I usually use a medium frame and try not to pull out proto every single match. A std medium frame can put at best, 2 pieces of equipment (nanohives or links).
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.12.12 10:09:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:
That's just it - that's the only argument you have in the defense of this. "I can't blow up tanks." You can still do literally everything else - but you can't set up traps in the middle of the road for easy WP and kills.
Yea, defiantly no sympathy here. Go earn your SP and kills.
You're missing the point. In order to do both I'm locked in one suit that costs a stupid amount. Equipment spam is only a problem because on one map it causes frame rate lag. Btw I have been using proximity mines for ages and rarely spamed equipment, the fact that a person who wants to support their team is restricted to a certain suit is ridiculous. But you can support them - you have a choice of 4 logi's. Why do scouts get to be demolition experts? It makes way more sense that a player in a suit built for equipment would use it - while the scout built for speed and assassination wouldn't rely on high explosives. And after you place all your RE's - in that logi suit switch to a slayer version of it - wa-la - you have remotes and a slayer-like suit. Having both is a bit much considering costs of risk vs reward I don't want to have to run proto to keep my equipment up. I have 2 logis, gal and min, I have one scout and thats only because I have all gallente gear proto. I usually use a medium frame and try not to pull out proto every single match. A std medium frame can put at best, 2 pieces of equipment (nanohives or links).
So, you find it acceptable you can place RE's enough to down a tank if it's casually driving... A tank worth way more then your proto suit...
But it's not acceptable that you have to use proto to do it?
This is what I mean by your ignoring risk vs reward, the fundamental this game is built upon.
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Mad Syringe
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Posted - 2014.12.12 10:16:00 -
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Bandwith sucks, because matches are more onesided than before. You are locked even more in the redline than before.
Pubs just suck balls now...
To be honest, I'll not go out with a logi in pubs anymore, and when it's getting onesided well, since you don't get rewarded for investing suits in a tough battle I'll afk like the rest of the bunch...
And by the way, CCP why is there no tutorial whatsoever for noobs how to use EQ! Most noobs don't even get that their first level 1-2 link/hive goes poof when they put another one down. Do you really think they get, that all/half their stuff goes poof when they switch suits...
All they see is that their stuff goes away faster than they can say flux ob, and next time they'll just go heavy. Problem with that is, that it takes forever to get back to the action. Resulting in frustration which leads to bad opinions about the game.
Thank you very much for this brilliant Idea with no introduction whatsoever. You want more players, I don't think so, you will have less with these changes.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 10:22:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:Bandwith sucks, because matches are more onesided than before. You are locked even more in the redline than before.
Pubs just suck balls now...
To be honest, I'll not go out with a logi in pubs anymore, and when it's getting onesided well, since you don't get rewarded for investing suits in a tough battle I'll afk like the rest of the bunch...
And by the way, CCP why is there no tutorial whatsoever for noobs how to use EQ! Most noobs don't even get that their first level 1-2 link/hive goes poof when they put another one down. Do you really think they get, that all/half their stuff goes poof when they switch suits...
All they see is that their stuff goes away faster than they can say flux ob, and next time they'll just go heavy. Problem with that is, that it takes forever to get back to the action. Resulting in frustration which leads to bad opinions about the game.
Thank you very much for this brilliant Idea with no introduction whatsoever. You want more players, I don't think so, you will have less with these changes.
There would have been better ways to reduce spam, but it needs to be this utter bullcrap.
Can I ask how limiting most players to two uplinks made the red-line harder to get out of?
I hadn't realize spamming uplinks was the only way out?
Or that one was not enough?
But you're right about not enough tutorials - CCP needs to put way more work into it.
Want to know why bandwidth sucks? Because it eliminates solo play completely. But this is a team based game - so it's no surprise to me this happened.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 10:30:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:
That's just it - that's the only argument you have in the defense of this. "I can't blow up tanks." You can still do literally everything else - but you can't set up traps in the middle of the road for easy WP and kills.
Yea, defiantly no sympathy here. Go earn your SP and kills.
You're missing the point. In order to do both I'm locked in one suit that costs a stupid amount. Equipment spam is only a problem because on one map it causes frame rate lag. Btw I have been using proximity mines for ages and rarely spamed equipment, the fact that a person who wants to support their team is restricted to a certain suit is ridiculous. But you can support them - you have a choice of 4 logi's. Why do scouts get to be demolition experts? It makes way more sense that a player in a suit built for equipment would use it - while the scout built for speed and assassination wouldn't rely on high explosives. And after you place all your RE's - in that logi suit switch to a slayer version of it - wa-la - you have remotes and a slayer-like suit. Having both is a bit much considering costs of risk vs reward I don't want to have to run proto to keep my equipment up. I have 2 logis, gal and min, I have one scout and thats only because I have all gallente gear proto. I usually use a medium frame and try not to pull out proto every single match. A std medium frame can put at best, 2 pieces of equipment (nanohives or links). So, you find it acceptable you can place RE's enough to down a tank if it's casually driving... A tank worth way more then your proto suit... But it's not acceptable that you have to use proto to do it? This is what I mean by your ignoring risk vs reward, the fundamental this game is built upon.
Isk should never be a factor in balance. The thing is its not my suit that kills the tank it's the Proximity's, and I use proto and ADV ones. I also run around with a swarm launcher whenever I'm trying to kill a tank but if the tank doesn't go over my proxies and I need to restock and put down a hive I lose proxies, and if it isn't a proto suit I have 4 proxies down and a hive. Don't try the risk reward argument because I've lost tons of isk trying to blow up militia tanks that cost less than my suit. What was their risk? Spend 70k and get a free killing machine that only dies to 4 things? So risky right? 
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.12.12 10:33:00 -
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I stopped reading after the first line.
ISK is a factor. Ignoring it is you ignoring parts of this game to suit yourself. Balance in this game is made up of Risk vs Reward - so ISK will always play a factor.
If your willing to throw away that aspect of this game then your opinion isn't worth further argument. When you can come up with a better reasoning then blindly ignoring how this game operates then we can continue to discuss why it's inappropriate for RE's to be placed casually with intention of destroying 500k tanks with no risk to themselves as they jump into a slayer suit and go do something else.
No offense.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 10:43:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I stopped reading after the first line.
ISK is a factor. Ignoring it is you ignoring parts of this game to suit yourself. Balance in this game is made up of Risk vs Reward - so ISK will always play a factor.
If your willing to throw away that aspect of this game then your opinion isn't worth further argument. When you can come up with a better reasoning then blindly ignoring how this game operates then we can continue to discuss why it's inappropriate for RE's to be placed casually with intention of destroying 500k tanks with no risk to themselves as they jump into a slayer suit and go do something else.
No offense.
So paying 70k for a tank that has a higher killing potential than a proto suit is balanced? Using Proximity's isn't just placing them somewhere and they go boom, they can't be manually detonated and vehicles have an alarm system to let them know there are proxies down. Also scanners exist.
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.12.12 10:59:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I stopped reading after the first line.
ISK is a factor. Ignoring it is you ignoring parts of this game to suit yourself. Balance in this game is made up of Risk vs Reward - so ISK will always play a factor.
If your willing to throw away that aspect of this game then your opinion isn't worth further argument. When you can come up with a better reasoning then blindly ignoring how this game operates then we can continue to discuss why it's inappropriate for RE's to be placed casually with intention of destroying 500k tanks with no risk to themselves as they jump into a slayer suit and go do something else.
No offense. So paying 70k for a tank that has a higher killing potential than a proto suit is balanced? Using Proximity's isn't just placing them somewhere and they go boom, they can't be manually detonated and vehicles have an alarm system to let them know there are proxies down. Also scanners exist.
Now your pointing out that there's more to balance then just Risk vs Reward - but ignoring it completely is just faulty.
and that 70k tank - you could of just ignored it - it's going to die to MLT swarms as soon as someone is pissed enough to hop into the AV free suit.
Why do you need RE's to take it down? Why is it that it takes pretty much the same to also down a 500k tank?
The balance is hard to strike - which is why ignoring aspects of this game is a no-no. Bandwidth has problems - one of them isn't RE's wanting free and easy kills as they go do something else.
That tank could cost 10k - you're still losing nothing and taking from another. But reality is that a tank worth nearly a mill is at the same jeopardy as that cheap tank. Ignoring that is wrong
O, and scanners is a proper solution - but it's also just a hard counter that your basically requiring tankers to adjusts there fits to have survivability against your no-loss strategy. That isn't justified. Tanks should choose between fighting other vehicles or infantry then have to worry bout infantry AV or other tanks - RE's being used as more then support AV is wrong.
Though, I admit if a tanker lets you place 3 'ON' him it should just auto kill that bad tanker, lol.
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:10:00 -
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i dunno man, i'm a logi and am still doing my thing |
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:12:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I stopped reading after the first line.
ISK is a factor. Ignoring it is you ignoring parts of this game to suit yourself. Balance in this game is made up of Risk vs Reward - so ISK will always play a factor.
If your willing to throw away that aspect of this game then your opinion isn't worth further argument. When you can come up with a better reasoning then blindly ignoring how this game operates then we can continue to discuss why it's inappropriate for RE's to be placed casually with intention of destroying 500k tanks with no risk to themselves as they jump into a slayer suit and go do something else.
No offense. So paying 70k for a tank that has a higher killing potential than a proto suit is balanced? Using Proximity's isn't just placing them somewhere and they go boom, they can't be manually detonated and vehicles have an alarm system to let them know there are proxies down. Also scanners exist. Now your pointing out that there's more to balance then just Risk vs Reward - but ignoring it completely is just faulty. and that 70k tank - you could of just ignored it - it's going to die to MLT swarms as soon as someone is pissed enough to hop into the AV free suit. Why do you need RE's to take it down? Why is it that it takes pretty much the same to also down a 500k tank? The balance is hard to strike - which is why ignoring aspects of this game is a no-no. Bandwidth has problems - one of them isn't RE's wanting free and easy kills as they go do something else. That tank could cost 10k - you're still losing nothing and taking from another. But reality is that a tank worth nearly a mill is at the same jeopardy as that cheap tank. Ignoring that is wrong O, and scanners is a proper solution - but it's also just a hard counter that your basically requiring tankers to adjusts there fits to have survivability against your no-loss strategy. That isn't justified. Tanks should choose between fighting other vehicles or infantry then have to worry bout infantry AV or other tanks - RE's being used as more then support AV is wrong. Though, I admit if a tanker lets you place 3 'ON' him it should just auto kill that bad tanker, lol.
I would love to see you solo a double rep soma with militia swarms before it drives off. Its not a no loss strategy, anyone that sees them on the enemy team can destroy them, meaning I have to risk putting down proxies again, at which time I am vulnerable to everyone for a good 20-30 seconds. Shotgun scouts can instablap me, heavies will make mincemeat out of me and I'm a sitting duck for snipers. It isn't a no loss strategy. Trust me. |
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:14:00 -
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hold that wrote:i dunno man, i'm a logi and am still doing my thing
I can still logi, I'm not complaining about that, I'm complaining that I cannot place a decent trap on anything other than a proto suit. |
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Minmatar Republic
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you can start out in proxies, but yeah not remotes and uplinks |
Mad Syringe
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:19:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:
Can I ask how limiting most players to two uplinks made the red-line harder to get out of?
I hadn't realize spamming uplinks was the only way out?
Or that one was not enough?
But you're right about not enough tutorials - CCP needs to put way more work into it.
Want to know why bandwidth sucks? Because it eliminates solo play completely. But this is a team based game - so it's no surprise to me this happened.
No they are not the only way out, but if you get redlined, you lost the match anyway. The point is, that having more uplinks in the field, makes it way harder to redline a team. It just became easyer for the proto teams to push you back to the redline.
And if solo play is not wanted, where are the mechanics to get people to squad up? I got invited into my first squad by closed beta vets in the warbarge... you know, when we still had time to check the enemy roster and fool around in the barge.
It's not happening anymore, because somebody got bored by it and CCP took that away. I can understand to do that in ambush, since that's a zerging gamemode anyway, but skirm?
Right now, it sucks to play the game without a squad. Which will alienate the noobs which are important for the survival of this game even more...
Rattati has spoken of making it harder to find the links, but I doubt that it will change too much, since a single spawn will give the location away.
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:20:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I stopped reading after the first line.
ISK is a factor. Ignoring it is you ignoring parts of this game to suit yourself. Balance in this game is made up of Risk vs Reward - so ISK will always play a factor.
If your willing to throw away that aspect of this game then your opinion isn't worth further argument. When you can come up with a better reasoning then blindly ignoring how this game operates then we can continue to discuss why it's inappropriate for RE's to be placed casually with intention of destroying 500k tanks with no risk to themselves as they jump into a slayer suit and go do something else.
No offense. So paying 70k for a tank that has a higher killing potential than a proto suit is balanced? Using Proximity's isn't just placing them somewhere and they go boom, they can't be manually detonated and vehicles have an alarm system to let them know there are proxies down. Also scanners exist. Now your pointing out that there's more to balance then just Risk vs Reward - but ignoring it completely is just faulty. and that 70k tank - you could of just ignored it - it's going to die to MLT swarms as soon as someone is pissed enough to hop into the AV free suit. Why do you need RE's to take it down? Why is it that it takes pretty much the same to also down a 500k tank? The balance is hard to strike - which is why ignoring aspects of this game is a no-no. Bandwidth has problems - one of them isn't RE's wanting free and easy kills as they go do something else. That tank could cost 10k - you're still losing nothing and taking from another. But reality is that a tank worth nearly a mill is at the same jeopardy as that cheap tank. Ignoring that is wrong O, and scanners is a proper solution - but it's also just a hard counter that your basically requiring tankers to adjusts there fits to have survivability against your no-loss strategy. That isn't justified. Tanks should choose between fighting other vehicles or infantry then have to worry bout infantry AV or other tanks - RE's being used as more then support AV is wrong. Though, I admit if a tanker lets you place 3 'ON' him it should just auto kill that bad tanker, lol. I would love to see you solo a double rep soma with militia swarms before it drives off. Its not a no loss strategy, anyone that sees them on the enemy team can destroy them, meaning I have to risk putting down proxies again, at which time I am vulnerable to everyone for a good 20-30 seconds. Shotgun scouts can instablap me, heavies will make mincemeat out of me and I'm a sitting duck for snipers. It isn't a no loss strategy. Trust me.
oh, so now we're comparing a stacked tank vs MLT AV?
Yeah.... how about proto swarms vs stacked tank, you can even let em have a third repair mod. Swarms would get a damage bonus - and throw in a Min commando those swarms will for sure get the job done. ;)
But, seriously, down to it all - your asking for free kills then the ability go to do something else. It's like you want to fish without actually standing there so that you can play football at the same time.
Yeah, would be cool, but it's not a good balance.
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:29:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I stopped reading after the first line.
ISK is a factor. Ignoring it is you ignoring parts of this game to suit yourself. Balance in this game is made up of Risk vs Reward - so ISK will always play a factor.
If your willing to throw away that aspect of this game then your opinion isn't worth further argument. When you can come up with a better reasoning then blindly ignoring how this game operates then we can continue to discuss why it's inappropriate for RE's to be placed casually with intention of destroying 500k tanks with no risk to themselves as they jump into a slayer suit and go do something else.
No offense. So paying 70k for a tank that has a higher killing potential than a proto suit is balanced? Using Proximity's isn't just placing them somewhere and they go boom, they can't be manually detonated and vehicles have an alarm system to let them know there are proxies down. Also scanners exist. Now your pointing out that there's more to balance then just Risk vs Reward - but ignoring it completely is just faulty. and that 70k tank - you could of just ignored it - it's going to die to MLT swarms as soon as someone is pissed enough to hop into the AV free suit. Why do you need RE's to take it down? Why is it that it takes pretty much the same to also down a 500k tank? The balance is hard to strike - which is why ignoring aspects of this game is a no-no. Bandwidth has problems - one of them isn't RE's wanting free and easy kills as they go do something else. That tank could cost 10k - you're still losing nothing and taking from another. But reality is that a tank worth nearly a mill is at the same jeopardy as that cheap tank. Ignoring that is wrong O, and scanners is a proper solution - but it's also just a hard counter that your basically requiring tankers to adjusts there fits to have survivability against your no-loss strategy. That isn't justified. Tanks should choose between fighting other vehicles or infantry then have to worry bout infantry AV or other tanks - RE's being used as more then support AV is wrong. Though, I admit if a tanker lets you place 3 'ON' him it should just auto kill that bad tanker, lol. I would love to see you solo a double rep soma with militia swarms before it drives off. Its not a no loss strategy, anyone that sees them on the enemy team can destroy them, meaning I have to risk putting down proxies again, at which time I am vulnerable to everyone for a good 20-30 seconds. Shotgun scouts can instablap me, heavies will make mincemeat out of me and I'm a sitting duck for snipers. It isn't a no loss strategy. Trust me. oh, so now we're comparing a stacked tank vs MLT AV? Yeah.... how about proto swarms vs stacked tank, you can even let em have a third repair mod. Swarms would get a damage bonus - and throw in a Min commando those swarms will for sure get the job done. ;) But, seriously, down to it all - your asking for free kills then the ability go to do something else. It's like you want to fish without actually standing there so that you can play football at the same time. Yeah, would be cool, but it's not a good balance. I'm not asking for free kills, vehicles have an built in warning device for it. If they rush in like crazy and blow up that's their fault. Same principle applies if I rushed a point, tried to hack and got RE'd. I didn't check the point and got punished for it.
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:53:00 -
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Wait? What?
It's not built in.
And you can place those RE's anywhere - the tanker doesn't have to rush anything, he can just simply try to leave his own red-line.
If you want to spam RE's then you'll need to dedicate your suit to it - right? Just like everyone else trying to do there role? But you want to be able to do that AND another role.
How can you not see this as wrong?
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Sleepy Shadow
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:12:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Very rarely are my links any where near a supply depot. The simple fact is there is no fun in dying repeatedly to scouts because you are in a slow, blind, and overpriced suit just to keep your links alive. Sure you can switch to assault or commando and keep some of your links alive but these are useless when fighting a full team of scouts (for my scrub self anyway)
If you do not wish to use the logi suit, you should not feel entitled to the benefits of one.
And my logi scans down to 24dB, heGÇÖs not blind at all. Sure, there are scouts that most definitely fly under my radar, but they deserve to as they have dampened themselves properly. ItGÇÖs not slow either even though I use the Amarr logi as I donGÇÖt brick tank the **** out of it. I have base shields and less than 500 armour. I think I may even have a dampener there. At least on one of the variations I do. If itGÇÖs a city map I might pick one of the beefier logis to add survivability.
Also, do you really believe new players were the ones dropping uplinks previously? YouGÇÖre saying this is bad for NPE but most new players have hardly nanohives to drop. Let alone uplinks and triage hives.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:23:00 -
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(scuse my paraphrasing you Mad Syringe)
Mad Syringe wrote:
1. Bandwith sucks, because matches are more onesided than before. You are locked even more in the redline than before.
2. when it's getting onesided I'll afk like the rest of the bunch coz you don't get rewarded for investing logi suits in a tough battle
3. noobs don't get nuances of equipment or switching suits
4. Noobs see their stuff goes away faster than they can say flux ob, and next time they'll just go heavy. Problem with that is, that it takes forever to get back to the action. Resulting in frustration which leads to bad opinions about the game.
5. There would have been better ways to reduce spam
1. Disagree. One uplink is all that is required. When redlined, I switch to my M-I scout suit with 2 kincats and a single L4 uplink and go forth at 10.38 m/s. This isn't even a logi job (tho I suppose you could kincat your logi...hmmmm must try that next time we're redlined). Must admit I've not tried this since BW was introduced...but I think my M-I has 8 MB bandwidth? That's more than enough.
2. Surely the rewards are giving your team a way out? Two rewards right there: WP from dropping equipment + getting team back into battle
3. That's why they're called noobs - they'll get it in time as they figure it out or, *more importantly*, squad up and learn from those with more experience. I'd also question whether you are really a noob if you've more than one suit to switch to, and know when you want to switch to it.
4. Not if uplinks are deployed in decent places - not necessarily by the noob in question. Teamwork required - which means someone realising the team needs links down and being able to act on that.
5. How? Saw someone talking about exclusion zones around supply depots and wotnot...but it just gets spammed elsewhere if you can still support that many pieces of equipment
Mad Syringe wrote:
6. Right now, it sucks to play the game without a squad. Which will alienate the noobs which are important for the survival of this game even more...
7. [...] a single spawn will give the location away.
6.
I haven't found this in my games. I'm a solo player playing scout most of the time (the rare variety with < 400 HP). I actually invested in Amarr logi because I couldn't do much else for my team if we got redlined. So many times I wished I could escape the redline and get my team back into the game. Without uplinks, that involved hacking a point or a CRU - pretty easy for the reds to shut that operation down.
So I invested in uplinks and made an uplink runner fit. Then realised I could do this pre-emptively with a logi if nobody else was laying uplinks. So now I use Amarr logi if no other uplinks are on the field.
7.
Again, this is a team problem, not a suit or equipment problem. If team is organised, enough blues will spawn on that link fast enough to overrun any reds. If team is not organised....no amount of spam, heavies, helicopters or light-sabres will help.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
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Echo 1991
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:39:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:
Wait? What?
It's not built in.
And you can place those RE's anywhere - the tanker doesn't have to rush anything, he can just simply try to leave his own red-line.
If you want to spam RE's then you'll need to dedicate your suit to it - right? Just like everyone else trying to do there role? But you want to be able to do that AND another role.
How can you not see this as wrong?
vehicles have a built in alarm that alerts them if there are remotes or proxies down near them, that is built in. if a tanker is trying to rush out of somewhere and isnt worried about mines that is their problem. the team has scans and if the team i'm on is near them, they will get scanned and be visible. what im doing isnt another role if im in an av suit, im being punished for preparing incase a tank tries to get away because i need ammo. |
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