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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:09:00 -
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Honestly not seeing the problem.
It's not a complicated mechanic - *at all*. At worst you are adding up numbers less than 10. Really? I can tell you right now off the top of my head what the BW figures of my equipment are. But...I don't need to know...coz I can put it all down! (ADV suit - 3 slots, L4 links, L1 - L2 hives) <--- actually meaning to carry better hives soon.
I run Amarr ADV logi when we need uplinks..meaning nobody else is putting them down (or none decent or in the right place anyway). So I specialise in uplinks...when they're needed. Otherwise I'm in a Minja fit.
I did this hotfixes A thru D and 1.9, and I can do it 1.10. I can still put everything down I put down before, and before there was no problem. You can't tell me bandwidth is causing a problem for a logi doing it like this..which is surely the "right" way?
Here is what I generally do when I switch to ADV Amarr Logi:
- assess battlefield, drop L4 uplink where I think it will be useful
- assess battlefield again, get away from uplink if I can, and see where my blues are
Either I will move elsewhere and get the 2nd link down (that's it, that's all my links down, I use a single slot for them), or I will help my team defend or push (as someone else said here, typically staying towards the back and using splash weapons) and nades. Drop hives where appropriate. I don't do repping currently.
I'm having a hard time understanding how a logi is so poor for combat compared to an assault. Sure they aren't as good at slaying, but it's not like they can't survive. Logi has better innate EWAR too. You just gotta wait for your team / squad. That's the only time the logi laying uplinks is in a pickle...but don't lay them where the reds can get to you too quickly. Be discreet if your team is struggling.
Otherwise you're just running with a pack, supporting and suppressing as needed. If you're overrun by a more organised team, that's bugger all to do with your suit and everything to do with your team.
Anyway...I'm no pro logi by any stretch - but that's my two penneth.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:12:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this.
lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-)
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:22:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit.
But....your logi can fight! ::sadface::
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.12 08:24:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit. But....your logi can fight! ::sadface:: Yes it does GREAT* against 3 shotgun scouts. *great at feeding kills.
We're going around in circles. 3 on 1, you should lose every time, regardless of your suit. Effectiveness of being a logi and getting links down has not changed for me for reasons stated already.
I suspect the difference between our styles and experience is that I stay in the suit, and I only deploy a maximum of two uplinks at one time. I am likely to die if I am not with other blues. This is what I expect. This is how it should be.
The only argument I have heard the last few weeks against bandwidth is from ppl who think they should be able to retain logi suit bonuses in a different suit. I suspect running logi solo (as I do, and I suspect you do too?) is not very efficient - logi supports blues, blues protect logi.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.12 08:54:00 -
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Mad Syringe wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:
The only argument I have heard the last few weeks against bandwidth is from ppl who think they should be able to retain logi suit bonuses in a different suit. I suspect running logi solo (as I do, and I suspect you do too?) is not very efficient - logi supports blues, blues protect logi.
Well and there we have it, blues protecting logi is wishful thinking!!!
Really? If I worded it like this:
~ Logi supports blues, receives indirect protection from blues with good battle awareness
Would that be better? Not suggesting blues have to be a bodyguard, just that logi should understand where to be in the thick of battle
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
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Posted - 2014.12.12 13:23:00 -
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(scuse my paraphrasing you Mad Syringe)
Mad Syringe wrote:
1. Bandwith sucks, because matches are more onesided than before. You are locked even more in the redline than before.
2. when it's getting onesided I'll afk like the rest of the bunch coz you don't get rewarded for investing logi suits in a tough battle
3. noobs don't get nuances of equipment or switching suits
4. Noobs see their stuff goes away faster than they can say flux ob, and next time they'll just go heavy. Problem with that is, that it takes forever to get back to the action. Resulting in frustration which leads to bad opinions about the game.
5. There would have been better ways to reduce spam
1. Disagree. One uplink is all that is required. When redlined, I switch to my M-I scout suit with 2 kincats and a single L4 uplink and go forth at 10.38 m/s. This isn't even a logi job (tho I suppose you could kincat your logi...hmmmm must try that next time we're redlined). Must admit I've not tried this since BW was introduced...but I think my M-I has 8 MB bandwidth? That's more than enough.
2. Surely the rewards are giving your team a way out? Two rewards right there: WP from dropping equipment + getting team back into battle
3. That's why they're called noobs - they'll get it in time as they figure it out or, *more importantly*, squad up and learn from those with more experience. I'd also question whether you are really a noob if you've more than one suit to switch to, and know when you want to switch to it.
4. Not if uplinks are deployed in decent places - not necessarily by the noob in question. Teamwork required - which means someone realising the team needs links down and being able to act on that.
5. How? Saw someone talking about exclusion zones around supply depots and wotnot...but it just gets spammed elsewhere if you can still support that many pieces of equipment
Mad Syringe wrote:
6. Right now, it sucks to play the game without a squad. Which will alienate the noobs which are important for the survival of this game even more...
7. [...] a single spawn will give the location away.
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I haven't found this in my games. I'm a solo player playing scout most of the time (the rare variety with < 400 HP). I actually invested in Amarr logi because I couldn't do much else for my team if we got redlined. So many times I wished I could escape the redline and get my team back into the game. Without uplinks, that involved hacking a point or a CRU - pretty easy for the reds to shut that operation down.
So I invested in uplinks and made an uplink runner fit. Then realised I could do this pre-emptively with a logi if nobody else was laying uplinks. So now I use Amarr logi if no other uplinks are on the field.
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Again, this is a team problem, not a suit or equipment problem. If team is organised, enough blues will spawn on that link fast enough to overrun any reds. If team is not organised....no amount of spam, heavies, helicopters or light-sabres will help.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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