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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:53:00 -
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Every pub match I have played now I was on the side with little to no uplinks and none of them in decent locations to be able to fight. Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5537
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:54:00 -
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Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves?
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves?
I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me.
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Varoth Drac
Titans of Phoenix
501
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:00:00 -
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Not again. You can run anything except a sentinel and keep links up. That is the choice to make. I don't see how this is unfair. |
Varoth Drac
Titans of Phoenix
501
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:03:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves? I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me.
I literally don't understand this post at all. Your links don't dissappear when you die. You can still fight.
Did people really only use links before swapping to sentinels? You know you will do much better in the game if you put your links somewhere more useful than next to a supply depot. Then you can fight instead of seeking out said depot and waste time switching suits. |
Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5541
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:03:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me.
Oh, so no one is telling you that you can't run uplinks, I see.
Run uplinks on an assault fitting. Assaults get an equipment slot and 8Mb bandwidth, use it. The advanced uplink can have two active. Or run with a squad and coordinate who is going to carry what equipment. My squads have two people deploying uplinks at all times.
Adapt or die.
My advice to you, playa...
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:06:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. Oh, so no one is telling you that you can't run uplinks, I see. Run uplinks on an assault fitting. Assaults get an equipment slot and 8Mb bandwidth, use it. The advanced uplink can have two active. Or run with a squad and coordinate who is going to carry what equipment. My squads have two people deploying uplinks at all times. Adapt or die.
Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot an objective or on top of a building anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much.
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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Nonoriri ko
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:08:00 -
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I use a mass driver, stay at the back of the pack.
I carry adv. uplinks, flux scanner, flux repper, and butt injector.
Lay down links, scan, rep anyone hurt, revive anyone dead,
and mass driver to shoot from real far away.
Yes it sucks only being able to use 2 equipments for now.
But you dont have to whine, just adapt.
Spread your specialties around.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5541
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:09:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot or an objective anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much. I'm willing to bet OP was one of those people who began a match in a logi dropsuit to spam nanohives/uplinks then swap to a light assault scout or HMG sentinel to slay. Those seem to be the only folks really upset by this change because they can no longer earn 3,000 WP's per match with minimal effort.
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:09:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. Oh, so no one is telling you that you can't run uplinks, I see. Run uplinks on an assault fitting. Assaults get an equipment slot and 8Mb bandwidth, use it. The advanced uplink can have two active. Or run with a squad and coordinate who is going to carry what equipment. My squads have two people deploying uplinks at all times. Adapt or die.
And now you are the one telling me what to run. (Joking)
Argue how you like but in the pubs I have run to see what effect it is having they were worse than normal proto stomps with an absolute **** flow and most of my team ended up in the MCC before the battle was half over. It was expected that it would ruin pace of play and it has done exactly that.
Lets also not forget that the explaining of this mechanic is absolutely terrible in game. I made several threads asking how this would be presented to new players with little to no answers. Now we are left attempting to support newbies who have ZERO understanding for an over complicated mechanic. Its an outright disaster of a mechanic IMO. |
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:11:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot or an objective anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much. I'm willing to bet OP was one of those people who began a match in a logi dropsuit to spam nanohives/uplinks then swap to a light assault scout or HMG sentinel to slay. Those seem to be the only folks really upset by this change because they can no longer earn 3,000 WP's per match with minimal effort.
Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol.
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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Robocop Junior
research lab
870
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:11:00 -
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Since rooftop camping/uplink spam isn't a big a deal anymore can FG have it's splash damage back? :D
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:12:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Since rooftop camping/uplink spam isn't a big a deal anymore can FG have it's splash damage back? :D
hmmmm maybe lol
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:12:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Lol seems so many people here are pissed cuz they can't spam equipment around a supply depot or an objective anymore. I've been fine with my commando putting down two uplinks and keeping those around supporting the team. I don't switch out of my suits very much. I'm willing to bet OP was one of those people who began a match in a logi dropsuit to spam nanohives/uplinks then swap to a light assault scout or HMG sentinel to slay. Those seem to be the only folks really upset by this change because they can no longer earn 3,000 WP's per match with minimal effort.
You are a little bit right. I did not spawn with uplinks but would quickly switch to them when I saw our team in need of them. Yes it did lead to a lot of warpoints in some matches but I could care less about that. I already have more ISK than I can spend, BPOs all around, and I am nearly maxed out in every Amarr suit/weapon.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5544
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:15:00 -
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da GAND wrote:Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol. The worst are the players who would drop fields of triage nanohives then stand in them as a Gallente or Amarr HMG sentinel.
Slightly off topic: Have you earned some of that sweet, sweet Objective Guardian WP? Are you kidding me? Drop an uplink within 50m of a held objective, between it and a taken objective... the WP's just roll in...
Mostly thanks to people like OP who refuse to fit uplinks 
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:15:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves? I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. I literally don't understand this post at all. Your links don't dissappear when you die. You can still fight. Did people really only use links before swapping to sentinels? You know you will do much better in the game if you put your links somewhere more useful than next to a supply depot. Then you can fight instead of seeking out said depot and waste time switching suits.
Very rarely are my links any where near a supply depot. The simple fact is there is no fun in dying repeatedly to scouts because you are in a slow, blind, and overpriced suit just to keep your links alive. Sure you can switch to assault or commando and keep some of your links alive but these are useless when fighting a full team of scouts (for my scrub self anyway)
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5544
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:16:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Since rooftop camping/uplink spam isn't a big a deal anymore can FG have it's splash damage back? :D Did you finish your homework and take out the trash?
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1303
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:17:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol. The worst are the players who would drop fields of triage nanohives then stand in them as a Gallente or Amarr HMG sentinel. Slightly off topic: Have you earned some of that sweet, sweet Objective Guardian WP? Are you kidding me? Drop an uplink within 50m of a held objective, between it and a taken objective... the WP's just roll in... Mostly thanks to people like OP who refuse to fit uplinks
When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
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da GAND
Seykal Expeditionary Group
Minmatar Republic
1042
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:18:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:da GAND wrote:Yup exactly the kind of people this change was targeted to lol you can still earn plenty of warpoints with equipment and get an ob with 1.10 well... at least it seems like I have been able to with two uplinks lol. The worst are the players who would drop fields of triage nanohives then stand in them as a Gallente or Amarr HMG sentinel. Slightly off topic: Have you earned some of that sweet, sweet Objective Guardian WP? Are you kidding me? Drop an uplink within 50m of a held objective, between it and a taken objective... the WP's just roll in... Mostly thanks to people like OP who refuse to fit uplinks
lolz actually I think that's what I did once to get a whole lot of points during a domination in one of those new maps we got in 1.9 , I was actually suprised that those uplinks didnt get destroyed much. Those objective guardian wp are great
Should Legion be on the ps4?
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
5544
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:18:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
When you are losing millions of ISK to keep links up there isn't anything wrong with the links or bandwidth, you are doing it wrong. I'd have to see you play before I could tell you what exactly.
My advice to you, playa...
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1304
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:43:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
When you are losing millions of ISK to keep links up there isn't anything wrong with the links or bandwidth, you are doing it wrong. I'd have to see you play before I could tell you what exactly.
Yep I must be doing it all wrong.
My slow half blind proto logi suit with no weapons bonuses and **** for hit points is a great scout killer.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1304
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:47:00 -
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The simple fact is bandwidth is ****, it is not explained at all to new players (VERY bad for NPE), and it starts down a dangerous road of having our fittings essentially dictated by CCP to us which is against a core value which previously made this game inviting. |
deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1304
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:53:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:When posed with the choice of losing millions to keep links alive or die double digit times staying in my bpo to keep them alive I choose neither. WHY? because there is absolutely NOTHING entertaining about either of the scenarios.
When you are losing millions of ISK to keep links up there isn't anything wrong with the links or bandwidth, you are doing it wrong. I'd have to see you play before I could tell you what exactly.
You were right. The problem was I was trying to provide support for my team AND win the match. A quick link drop and then hovering the redline in my dropship waiting for my links to get popped is far more profitable and less stressful. |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
1703
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:54:00 -
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to many players have relied on spam for far too long.
adapt
All Hail Legion
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Meeko Fent
True Illuminate
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:58:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Normally I would drop uplinks to help keep my team in the fight but as soon as I do I am told what I am allowed to run without putting us right back in a position of being screwed. Who is telling you what you have to run and why aren't you telling them to go **** themselves? I suppose that would be Scotty. I am either told I can not drop uplinks and must continue to spawn in ****** locations and watch my team get slaughtered as they trickle in from far out or I must drop my links and resign to hiding in the corner while the team uses my links to (hopefully) mount a slightly better push than before. It is honestly pretty depressing knowing I can no longer attempt to support the crap blues Scotty gives me. I literally don't understand this post at all. Your links don't dissappear when you die. You can still fight. Did people really only use links before swapping to sentinels? You know you will do much better in the game if you put your links somewhere more useful than next to a supply depot. Then you can fight instead of seeking out said depot and waste time switching suits.
Yeah...
People don't understand that very much.
I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1311
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:02:00 -
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LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:09:00 -
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Honestly not seeing the problem.
It's not a complicated mechanic - *at all*. At worst you are adding up numbers less than 10. Really? I can tell you right now off the top of my head what the BW figures of my equipment are. But...I don't need to know...coz I can put it all down! (ADV suit - 3 slots, L4 links, L1 - L2 hives) <--- actually meaning to carry better hives soon.
I run Amarr ADV logi when we need uplinks..meaning nobody else is putting them down (or none decent or in the right place anyway). So I specialise in uplinks...when they're needed. Otherwise I'm in a Minja fit.
I did this hotfixes A thru D and 1.9, and I can do it 1.10. I can still put everything down I put down before, and before there was no problem. You can't tell me bandwidth is causing a problem for a logi doing it like this..which is surely the "right" way?
Here is what I generally do when I switch to ADV Amarr Logi:
- assess battlefield, drop L4 uplink where I think it will be useful
- assess battlefield again, get away from uplink if I can, and see where my blues are
Either I will move elsewhere and get the 2nd link down (that's it, that's all my links down, I use a single slot for them), or I will help my team defend or push (as someone else said here, typically staying towards the back and using splash weapons) and nades. Drop hives where appropriate. I don't do repping currently.
I'm having a hard time understanding how a logi is so poor for combat compared to an assault. Sure they aren't as good at slaying, but it's not like they can't survive. Logi has better innate EWAR too. You just gotta wait for your team / squad. That's the only time the logi laying uplinks is in a pickle...but don't lay them where the reds can get to you too quickly. Be discreet if your team is struggling.
Otherwise you're just running with a pack, supporting and suppressing as needed. If you're overrun by a more organised team, that's bugger all to do with your suit and everything to do with your team.
Anyway...I'm no pro logi by any stretch - but that's my two penneth.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:12:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this.
lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-)
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
1312
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:20:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-)
Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
1034
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:22:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:deezy dabest wrote:LOL Second place in the match 0/0 with 1625 WP. Only left the redline to drop one set of links. Thank CCP for broken mechanics ensuring noe one else on the team bothers with uplinks. 282K PURE PROFIT, I may just get back over a billion quicker than I thought like this. lol dude are you serious? Why do you bother with links if no-one else does? Doesn't sound like you tried to help your team win the game. All I see is you thinking of yourself. Sorry man, I think you probably don't get what the logi and it's equipment is for. But have fun earning your points and ISK...it's not like you're the only one ;-) Damn straight I am only thinking of myself. Since I am trapped in my logi suit I have no choice since I can not pull out a fighter suit.
But....your logi can fight! ::sadface::
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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