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Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:30:00 - [1] - Quote Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Chocolate Juice
LudiKure ninda Dead Man's Game RUST415 172	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:32:00 - [2] - Quote Finaly ( -í° -£-û -í°) `SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED`
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1064	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:33:00 - [3] - Quote Too early to tell anything with certainty, though I suspect you're incorrect.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19971	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:34:00 - [4] - Quote laughs to the point of coughing up blood The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
Lloyd Orfay Kinsho Swords Caldari State 263	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:34:00 - [5] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits There's nothing more frightening then an angry Shotty Galmando cnarging at you in the most tiniest CQC area.
Robocop Junior research lab 830	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:35:00 - [6] - Quote Done, cause they killed the game months ago. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6476	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:43:00 - [7] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Done, cause they killed the game months ago. FotM chasers killed the game. Whether it was Scouts or Slayer Logis. Don't get yourself confused that it was the problem with a dedicated role. Heavies will soon see the same problem. Hopefully we are moving towards a point where there is a viable role for all suit types. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8711	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:44:00 - [8] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Bad Scouts are done FTFY You just gotta DAMP DAMP DAMP like crazy. Cal Scout is pretty boned though. Even on the Min, I'm having real trouble making it with 2x Damps and cloak. I use my 3x damp shotgun fit fairly often now to allow me to get close enough. I told everyone when the changes were posted. If you don't want Cal and Min scouts to have an insanely hard time dodging scans, they will need a damp bonus. 2-3 low slots is not enough. Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:47:00 - [9] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits in the dust universe Aren't heavies killing with HMG's? Aren't assaults dominating with rifles? So why is it that scout shouldn't be able to kill? Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:48:00 - [10] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Bad Scouts are done FTFY You just gotta DAMP DAMP DAMP like crazy. Cal Scout is pretty boned though. Even on the Min, I'm having real trouble making it with 2x Damps and cloak. I use my 3x damp shotgun fit fairly often now to allow me to get close enough. I told everyone when the changes were posted. If you don't want Cal and Min scouts to have an insanely hard time dodging scans, they will need a damp bonus. 2-3 low slots is not enough. Scouts have to use all slots to damp so they can hide from Assaults and logis? Hmm, reminds me of pre 1.8. Chocolate Juice

Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:50:00 - [11] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Done, cause they killed the game months ago. FotM chasers killed the game. Whether it was Scouts or Slayer Logis. Don't get yourself confused that it was the problem with a dedicated role. Heavies will soon see the same problem. Hopefully we are moving towards a point where there is a viable role for all suit types. You mean giving the role to assaults like always. You might as well just delete all suits other than assault/medium frames. They can tank, they can scan, they can be speedy, they can dampen. They can play the scout role better than the scout. Chocolate Juice
Francois Sanchez Prima Gallicus 189	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:50:00 - [12] - Quote I tried my scout and it was OK, but I tried it during only one game so I can't really tell yet. I've warned though that the ridiculous short range precision would become a problem
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:50:00 - [13] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Too early to tell anything with certainty, though I suspect you're incorrect. I haven't seen over 2 scouts in game for like 3 matches. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:53:00 - [14] - Quote Francois Sanchez wrote: I tried my scout and it was OK, but I tried it during only one game so I can't really tell yet. I've warned though that the ridiculous short range precision would become a problem at a competitive level they are ass. Chocolate Juice
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1633	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:56:00 - [15] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. scouts are done? i was being harassed and constantly scanned by 4 in the same match earlier...... DUST VIDEOS
Valor Goat 64	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:56:00 - [16] - Quote Cal scout is the only one that is pretty done now. You can still use it as combat scout and put high scores but it's just not worth it when you have assaults, which are better and way funnier to use. Min scout will still be for hardcore players. On good hands, you can slay and ninja hack objectives with 100% efficiency. Gal scout is still the best scout and EZ mode scout. Amarr scout is the best scanning suit in the game period. If you put enough ranges on lows, you will be able to see EVERYTHING in the range of 10-15m (closer scan circle); though it's not worth it when you there is gallogi having good native eWAR, more HP, more slaying capabilities and them scanners. Stop the QQ, scouts are overall still king of slaying if fitted and used properly. And you don't have to put a Breach AR to see it. 1EE7
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1277	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:01:00 - [17] - Quote Valor Goat wrote: Cal scout is the only one that is pretty done now. You can still use it as combat scout and put high scores but it's just not worth it when you have assaults, which are better and way funnier to use. Min scout will still be for hardcore players. In good hands, you can slay and ninja hack objectives with 100% efficiency. Gal scout is still the best scout and EZ mode scout. Amarr scout is the best scanning suit in the game period. If you put enough ranges on lows, you will be able to see EVERYTHING in the range of 10-15m (closer scan circle); though it's not worth it when you there is gallogi having good native eWAR, more HP, more slaying capabilities and them scanners. Stop the QQ, scouts are overall still king of slaying if fitted and used properly. And you don't have to put a Breach AR to see it. Not true, Amarr scout has no stealth, min scout can't even get close enough to knife people before being blown to bits. The only scout that is good in the gallante one which is still going strong with the shotgun. It has 4 lows and it has a dampening bonus which helps it be stealthy. The Min Scout could be stealthy but you have to sacrifice all your lows to profile damps just to get under an assault scanning which is really stupid in my opinion. Cal scout has no role. Chocolate Juice
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:03:00 - [18] - Quote Damn, you did not get the newest fit of the month? Scouts are so not en vogue anymore, now it is Minmatar Assault with kincats and...[Drums]...a cloaking module!!! Faster than a scout, strafe like the devil. Speed was always better than dampening: people may see you, but if you are too fast for them to react...the rest is self-explanatory. Simply respec and go all Minmatar Assault: latest FW rush to Minmatar already was the first sign of this development, now it has kinda grown up, and turns out to be one most ugly child.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2535	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:07:00 - [19] - Quote Scouts aren't done, but they have become MUCH harder. I tend to agree with Templar XIII, above, in that the Min Assault is looking very tasty....
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2610	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:08:00 - [20] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Done, cause they killed the game months ago. The Rouge wedding, so CCP actually saying they don't care about Dust anymore, apparently didn't kill the game. You can bet nothing will. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

Boot Booter Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 1050	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:14:00 - [21] - Quote I think they just over nerfed scan range modules
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1874	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:52:00 - [22] - Quote Praise God. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 499	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:59:00 - [23] - Quote Watch all the real scouts return to the game. The ones that know what a scout is supposed to do. Not those 1.8 FOTM scouts, but the real deal scouts. Can't wait to log on! "Anybody order chaos?"
neausea 1987 1.U.P Capital Punishment. 170	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:59:00 - [24] - Quote scouts done lmao, never but i did notice that the game flow has changed the two weeks prior i was killing anything that moves but now it feels different so different in fact that i had to take my 20,000 sp and invest back in a scout fit. i started off as a min assualt but swithed to a scout because it could keep up with my brain as far as movment,reaction,and physical ability. i bought a skillbook reset and went full min assault two weeks ago and was loving it, but this morning as soon as the update was done i could'nt kill a thing so i got me a basic min scout ( 296 EHP) and now im back to basics and killing again scouts cant be nerfed they can only get better. this is all I have a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ.... GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ .... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ ......... Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ i need more QQ tears MORE!!
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 568	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:13:00 - [25] - Quote No thay are not. SG/NK scouts still terrorize in towns and outside points. Ps. Why are people constantly telling that : gal,is ez mode, cal is done, minja is hardcore, amarr is [something]? Minmatar scout only looses little portion of hp compared to other scouts while having great bonuses [hack/nk]. It also have its speed. Minja - the one worth using. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6232	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:16:00 - [26] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits in the dust universe The only true way to kill sentinels by the looks of it. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 1065	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:22:00 - [27] - Quote I really, really hope this gets rid of the crap scounts. The skilled will see the light again and still keep wrecking face. I hope this is a change for the better... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 335	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:28:00 - [28] - Quote Blah blah blah ADS are done for because they lowered the bonus for Pythons (I actually believe it to an extent with swarms) Tankers are done for because they buffed installations Logis are done for because something Scouts are done for because now they don't know what direction people are facing (OH THE HORROR!!!!) Heavies are done for because they nerfed/buffed the HMG Rail Rifles are done for because they buffed to recoil (I have noticed a lot fewer rail rifles) Assaults are never done for because few people use them to begin with (Still want a better Caldari Assault bonus) Other then Assault suits what in this game isn't done for/ruining the game? The State will always survive.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 335	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:30:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits in the dust universe The only true way to kill sentinels by the looks of it. Have you tried a Forge Gun? Takes an insanely tanked out Sentinel to survive one. The State will always survive.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15631	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:30:00 - [30] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. You don't like having solid EWAR values, running at between 9-11 m/s, good biotics values, having the smallest hit box, 2 equipment slots, same ligh weapon fitting capacity ,and a bonus to visual cloak..... etc? You want more that that? You have mobility, equivalent DPS, essential invisibility, an essentially small sig radii...... *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1067	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:32:00 - [31] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: I really, really hope this gets rid of the crap scounts. The skilled will see the light again and still keep wrecking face. I hope this is a change for the better... ^
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1278	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:34:00 - [32] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. You don't like having solid EWAR values, running at between 9-11 m/s, good biotics values, having the smallest hit box, 2 equipment slots, same ligh weapon fitting capacity ,and a bonus to visual cloak..... etc? You want more that that? You have mobility, equivalent DPS, essential invisibility, an essentially small sig radii...... about 10% of scouts run over 9.5 m/s, smallest hit box means nothing when there is aim assist, you can see a cloaker from a mile away and now scan them and we don't have bonus to light weapons like assaults. OH don't forget a ton less HP. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1278	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:35:00 - [33] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits in the dust universe The only true way to kill sentinels by the looks of it. Have you tried a Forge Gun? Takes an insanely tanked out Sentinel to survive one. You would die before you hit the punk with a forgegun in CQC and in Long range you will miss about 80% of your shots. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1278	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:36:00 - [34] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Blah blah blah ADS are done for because they lowered the bonus for Pythons (I actually believe it to an extent with swarms) Tankers are done for because they buffed installations Logis are done for because no more equipment spam Scouts are done for because now they don't know what direction people are facing (OH THE HORROR!!!!) Heavies are done for because they nerfed/buffed the HMG Rail Rifles are done for because they buffed to recoil (I have noticed a lot fewer rail rifles) Assaults are never done for because few people use them to begin with (Still want a better Caldari Assault bonus) Other then Assault suits what in this game isn't done for/ruining the game? Heavies, assaults, swarms, HMG, BAR. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1278	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:39:00 - [35] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: No thay are not. SG/NK scouts still terrorize in towns and outside points. Ps. Why are people constantly telling that : gal,is ez mode, cal is done, minja is hardcore, amarr is [something]? Minmatar scout only looses little portion of hp compared to other scouts while having great bonuses [hack/nk]. It also have its speed. Minja - the one worth using. Hacking is a minor bonus. It's worth one complex complex codebreaker which is much easily put on another suit. Nova knive bonus is useless because everybody and their mother can scan you if go up behind them. They see you coming, the back pedal, boom boom dead. Chocolate Juice
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6232	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:40:00 - [36] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: I think they just over nerfed scan range modules Seconded Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6232	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:41:00 - [37] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Have you tried a Forge Gun? Takes an insanely tanked out Sentinel to survive one. So i need a sentinel to kill a sentinel. Isnt this what sentinels were QQ a while ago? ''OMG i need a scout to kill a scout TT..TT'' =.= this community ....seriously. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15632	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:42:00 - [38] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. You don't like having solid EWAR values, running at between 9-11 m/s, good biotics values, having the smallest hit box, 2 equipment slots, same ligh weapon fitting capacity ,and a bonus to visual cloak..... etc? You want more that that? You have mobility, equivalent DPS, essential invisibility, an essentially small sig radii...... about 10% of scouts run over 9.5 m/s, smallest hit box means nothing when there is aim assist, you can see a cloaker from a mile away and now scan them and we don't have bonus to light weapons like assaults. OH don't forget a ton less HP. First and foremost that is still between 2-3 M/s faster than most every other suit in the game so don't look to unfavourably on that. Small hit boxes do come into play while strafing and at range other wise most if not all of the community would not have spammed scouts for the last X months, your cloak is supposed to be a tool to help you sneak around by reducing your ability to be seen and scanned to a degree not rending you completely invisible, and since not assault bonus actually adjust light weapon DPS....... you do have access to exactly the same DPS values as any other suit except the Commando. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 337	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:42:00 - [39] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits in the dust universe The only true way to kill sentinels by the looks of it. Have you tried a Forge Gun? Takes an insanely tanked out Sentinel to survive one. You would die before you hit the punk with a forgegun in CQC and in Long range you will miss about 80% of your shots. I think you just suck then. I've killed dozens of heavies with a Militia Forge Gun in CQC, sure I died immediately after but I got one all you have to do is charge before you turn a corner. And long range they are just as good so long as someone is making a B-Line (don't get that figure of speech) towards cover. The State will always survive.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:43:00 - [40] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Watch all the real scouts return to the game. The ones that know what a scout is supposed to do. Not those 1.8 FOTM scouts, but the real deal scouts. Can't wait to log on! What do you mean "real" scouts. Scout have no role anymore. Caldari scout has almost the same scan range as a logistics suit!!! (thread in feedback/discussion). You make no WP for scanning people. If I layed scout like a scout being a pu$$y and staying far back to give team scans, my team would be the one making the WP and im just a piece of equipment. Have you ever though and thought about if logis didn't get wp fro being a logi, they would turn to killing. This is same as scout, if they can't make WP providing scans, they will kill. Chocolate Juice

Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 337	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:43:00 - [41] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: Have you tried a Forge Gun? Takes an insanely tanked out Sentinel to survive one. So i need a sentinel to kill a sentinel. Isnt this what sentinels were QQ a while ago? ''OMG i need a scout to kill a scout TT..TT'' =.= this community ....seriously. Take a Militia Heavy its the cheapest way to kill a heavy in this game 90% of the time. The State will always survive.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:44:00 - [42] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: You would die before you hit the punk with a forgegun in CQC and in Long range you will miss about 80% of your shots. I think you just suck then. I've killed dozens of heavies with a Militia Forge Gun in CQC, sure I died immediately after but I got one all you have to do is charge before you turn a corner. And long range they are just as good so long as someone is making a B-Line (don't get that figure of speech) towards cover.[/quote] Guess you never played good players. Go home and come back when you are successful in CQC with your militia FG in a PC. Chocolate Juice
Robocop Junior research lab 838	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:44:00 - [43] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Lloyd Orfay wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits in the dust universe The only true way to kill sentinels by the looks of it. Have you tried a Forge Gun? Takes an insanely tanked out Sentinel to survive one. You would die before you hit the punk with a forgegun in CQC and in Long range you will miss about 80% of your shots. I couldn't disagree more! I find it easier to FG the closer the enemy is, especially a behemoth lumbering along. People tend to panic as soon as those blue balls whizz by their face, especially HMGers, they tend to rush the kill and overheat. 80% is very exaggerated. I tend to nail any target no matter what range by the second shot. If I don't connect by then and the HMGer gets within optimal, 3 complex cardiacs allows me time to outrun any armor plated heavy. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
NIGGSWORM Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:44:00 - [44] - Quote Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: You would die before you hit the punk with a forgegun in CQC and in Long range you will miss about 80% of your shots. I think you just suck then. I've killed dozens of heavies with a Militia Forge Gun in CQC, sure I died immediately after but I got one all you have to do is charge before you turn a corner. And long range they are just as good so long as someone is making a B-Line (don't get that figure of speech) towards cover.[/quote] Guess you never played good players. Go home and come back when you are successful in CQC with your militia FG in a PC. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:48:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. You don't like having solid EWAR values, running at between 9-11 m/s, good biotics values, having the smallest hit box, 2 equipment slots, same ligh weapon fitting capacity ,and a bonus to visual cloak..... etc? You want more that that? You have mobility, equivalent DPS, essential invisibility, an essentially small sig radii...... about 10% of scouts run over 9.5 m/s, smallest hit box means nothing when there is aim assist, you can see a cloaker from a mile away and now scan them and we don't have bonus to light weapons like assaults. OH don't forget a ton less HP. First and foremost that is still between 2-3 M/s faster than most every other suit in the game so don't look to unfavourably on that. Small hit boxes do come into play while strafing and at range other wise most if not all of the community would not have spammed scouts for the last X months, your cloak is supposed to be a tool to help you sneak around by reducing your ability to be seen and scanned to a degree not rending you completely invisible, and since not assault bonus actually adjust light weapon DPS....... you do have access to exactly the same DPS values as any other suit except the Commando. Yeah, strafing is so OP and that is why the top two killers in PC are sentinels. Oh please. I can strafe in my Min Assault like a MOFO. I can strafe like a MOFO is any suit. Also small hit box with low hp=medium hitbox with medium hp? False. Aim Assist help no matter what especially in CQC. And 2-3 m/s like I said don't get yo any where-Aim Assist. Btw, yes cloak is a tool but pre-1.8 before the cloak you knew how worthless the scout was in killing and everything. Chocolate Juice
NIGGSWORM Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:48:00 - [46] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. You don't like having solid EWAR values, running at between 9-11 m/s, good biotics values, having the smallest hit box, 2 equipment slots, same ligh weapon fitting capacity ,and a bonus to visual cloak..... etc? You want more that that? You have mobility, equivalent DPS, essential invisibility, an essentially small sig radii...... about 10% of scouts run over 9.5 m/s, smallest hit box means nothing when there is aim assist, you can see a cloaker from a mile away and now scan them and we don't have bonus to light weapons like assaults. OH don't forget a ton less HP. First and foremost that is still between 2-3 M/s faster than most every other suit in the game so don't look to unfavourably on that. Small hit boxes do come into play while strafing and at range other wise most if not all of the community would not have spammed scouts for the last X months, your cloak is supposed to be a tool to help you sneak around by reducing your ability to be seen and scanned to a degree not rending you completely invisible, and since not assault bonus actually adjust light weapon DPS....... you do have access to exactly the same DPS values as any other suit except the Commando. Yeah, strafing is so OP and that is why the top two killers in PC are sentinels. Oh please. I can strafe in my Min Assault like a MOFO. I can strafe like a MOFO is any suit. Also small hit box with low hp=medium hitbox with medium hp? False. Aim Assist help no matter what especially in CQC. And 2-3 m/s like I said don't get yo any where-Aim Assist. Btw, yes cloak is a tool but pre-1.8 before the cloak you knew how worthless the scout was in killing and everything. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:50:00 - [47] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: I couldn't disagree more! I find it easier to FG the closer the enemy is, especially a behemoth lumbering along. People tend to panic as soon as those blue balls whizz by their face, especially HMGers, they tend to rush the kill and overheat. 80% is very exaggerated. I tend to nail any target no matter what range by the second shot. If I don't connect by then and the HMGer gets within optimal, 3 complex cardiacs allows me time to outrun any armor plated heavy. Please, if it was that successful the #1 killing weapon in PC would be FG, but is it? IMO you're just talking bullsh*t, a HMG will melt you before you even done charging. Chocolate Juice
NIGGSWORM Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:50:00 - [48] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: I couldn't disagree more! I find it easier to FG the closer the enemy is, especially a behemoth lumbering along. People tend to panic as soon as those blue balls whizz by their face, especially HMGers, they tend to rush the kill and overheat. 80% is very exaggerated. I tend to nail any target no matter what range by the second shot. If I don't connect by then and the HMGer gets within optimal, 3 complex cardiacs allows me time to outrun any armor plated heavy. Please, if it was that successful the #1 killing weapon in PC would be FG, but is it? IMO you're just talking bullsh*t, a HMG will melt you before you even done charging. Chocolate Juice
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 570	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:51:00 - [49] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Mejt0 wrote: No thay are not. SG/NK scouts still terrorize in towns and outside points. Ps. Why are people constantly telling that : gal,is ez mode, cal is done, minja is hardcore, amarr is [something]? Minmatar scout only looses little portion of hp compared to other scouts while having great bonuses [hack/nk]. It also have its speed. Minja - the one worth using. Hacking is a minor bonus. It's worth one complex complex codebreaker which is much easily put on another suit. Nova knive bonus is useless because everybody and their mother can scan you if go up behind them. They see you coming, the back pedal, boom boom dead. Someone would need 2codebreakers to be almost like minja with one [most fits] and it's good bonus. Who will scan you? You mean these paethic 6-7m [with skills] scan range? I would already charge my NK before someone would notice me on tancet. 6-7m is literaly 3steps for minja. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:54:00 - [50] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Mejt0 wrote: No thay are not. SG/NK scouts still terrorize in towns and outside points. Ps. Why are people constantly telling that : gal,is ez mode, cal is done, minja is hardcore, amarr is [something]? Minmatar scout only looses little portion of hp compared to other scouts while having great bonuses [hack/nk]. It also have its speed. Minja - the one worth using. Hacking is a minor bonus. It's worth one complex complex codebreaker which is much easily put on another suit. Nova knive bonus is useless because everybody and their mother can scan you if go up behind them. They see you coming, the back pedal, boom boom dead. Someone would need 2codebreakers to be almost like minja with one [most fits] and it's good bonus. Who will scan you? You mean these paethic 6-7m [with skills] scan range? I would already charge my NK before someone would notice me on tancet. 6-7m is literaly 3steps for minja. Shhh... you don't know young one. I have been there and done that and I know all. BTW, Minmatar scout with no skills has less base hacking abilities than the min logi. P.S. the logi has 2 more slots. Let me go make a protofit real quick to show you. Chocolate Juice

NIGGSWORM Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:54:00 - [51] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Mejt0 wrote: No thay are not. SG/NK scouts still terrorize in towns and outside points. Ps. Why are people constantly telling that : gal,is ez mode, cal is done, minja is hardcore, amarr is [something]? Minmatar scout only looses little portion of hp compared to other scouts while having great bonuses [hack/nk]. It also have its speed. Minja - the one worth using. Hacking is a minor bonus. It's worth one complex complex codebreaker which is much easily put on another suit. Nova knive bonus is useless because everybody and their mother can scan you if go up behind them. They see you coming, the back pedal, boom boom dead. Someone would need 2codebreakers to be almost like minja with one [most fits] and it's good bonus. Who will scan you? You mean these paethic 6-7m [with skills] scan range? I would already charge my NK before someone would notice me on tancet. 6-7m is literaly 3steps for minja. Shhh... you don't know young one. I have been there and done that and I know all. BTW, Minmatar scout with no skills has less base hacking abilities than the min logi. P.S. the logi has 2 more slots. Let me go make a protofit real quick to show you. Protofits doesn't want to load: But here are the facts a Standard Minmatar Logi with one complex codebreaker had a hacking spee factor of 1.88 and a prototype minmatar scout no code breaker has a hacking speed factor of 1.72 which is .10 less than the LOGI!! also P.S. A prototype Min logi has one extra low slot and high slot over the min scout. So basically by putting on one complex codebreaker it used up one of it's EXTRA lows to get to min scout status. Chocolate Juice
Stupid Blueberry Hyasyoda Terrestrial Acquisitions Firm 697	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:04:00 - [52] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Bad Scouts are done FTFY You just gotta DAMP DAMP DAMP like crazy. Cal Scout is pretty boned though. Even on the Min, I'm having real trouble making it with 2x Damps and cloak. I use my 3x damp shotgun fit fairly often now to allow me to get close enough. I told everyone when the changes were posted. If you don't want Cal and Min scouts to have an insanely hard time dodging scans, they will need a damp bonus. 2-3 low slots is not enough. looks at cal scout's damp bonus Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Haajakin Kalen.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 337	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:07:00 - [53] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I couldn't disagree more! I find it easier to FG the closer the enemy is, especially a behemoth lumbering along. People tend to panic as soon as those blue balls whizz by their face, especially HMGers, they tend to rush the kill and overheat. 80% is very exaggerated. I tend to nail any target no matter what range by the second shot. If I don't connect by then and the HMGer gets within optimal, 3 complex cardiacs allows me time to outrun any armor plated heavy. Please, if it was that successful the #1 killing weapon in PC would be FG, but is it? IMO you're just talking bullsh*t, a HMG will melt you before you even done charging. That is why you charge BEFORE you turn a corner and keep your distance. And if you are in PC then you would have the magic of team work and friendship. The State will always survive.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4993	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:22:00 - [54] - Quote Scouts received a precision and profile buff. With max Ewar, and without mods, an assault will have 41 prec/41 profile. A scout will have 36 prec/31 profile A logi will have 41 precision/45 profile The ranges will be scout/assault/logi... 3k meters/3k meters/3750 meters. As you can see, we only received a slight range nerf. Note: testing done with Minmatar Scout, Assault, and Gallente Logi.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 5402	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:36:00 - [55] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Done, cause they killed the game months ago. FotM chasers killed the game. Whether it was Scouts or Slayer Logis. Don't get yourself confused that it was the problem with a dedicated role. Heavies will soon see the same problem. Hopefully we are moving towards a point where there is a viable role for all suit types. Lol, it was FOTM because it was ******* OP. You either quit Dust or started scouting. I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6487	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:50:00 - [56] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Done, cause they killed the game months ago. FotM chasers killed the game. Whether it was Scouts or Slayer Logis. Don't get yourself confused that it was the problem with a dedicated role. Heavies will soon see the same problem. Hopefully we are moving towards a point where there is a viable role for all suit types. Lol, it was FOTM because it was ******* OP. You either quit Dust or started scouting. Not everyone who ran scout ran it with lots of tank and shooting from cloak etc. Just as there were still support Logis when Slayer Logis were the thing. Those that really want to be scouts will stay scouts. Those who just wanted the most OP suit will move on. Those are the people that ruined it. That is my point. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:51:00 - [57] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Done, cause they killed the game months ago. FotM chasers killed the game. Whether it was Scouts or Slayer Logis. Don't get yourself confused that it was the problem with a dedicated role. Heavies will soon see the same problem. Hopefully we are moving towards a point where there is a viable role for all suit types. Lol, it was FOTM because it was ******* OP. You either quit Dust or started scouting. Not everyone who ran scout ran it with lots of tank and shooting from cloak etc. Just as there were still support Logis when Slayer Logis were the thing. Those that really want to be scouts will stay scouts. Those who just wanted the most OP suit will move on. Those are the people that ruined it. That is my point. I used to use ewar modules like precision and range amps but decided it was for the best to just tank *now. Chocolate Juice
NIGGSWORM Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1279	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:51:00 - [58] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Done, cause they killed the game months ago. FotM chasers killed the game. Whether it was Scouts or Slayer Logis. Don't get yourself confused that it was the problem with a dedicated role. Heavies will soon see the same problem. Hopefully we are moving towards a point where there is a viable role for all suit types. Lol, it was FOTM because it was ******* OP. You either quit Dust or started scouting. Not everyone who ran scout ran it with lots of tank and shooting from cloak etc. Just as there were still support Logis when Slayer Logis were the thing. Those that really want to be scouts will stay scouts. Those who just wanted the most OP suit will move on. Those are the people that ruined it. That is my point. I used to use ewar modules like precision and range amps but decided it was for the best to just tank *now. Chocolate Juice
501st Headstrong Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 754	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:00:00 - [59] - Quote I respectfully disagree brother. As the Min Scout is the only Scout suit I run, I speak from its experience. I run 2 KinCats and a Complex Damp on my "RoadRunner" fit, moving at 10.35 m/s. I carry a Combat Rifle now. Before this patch, I would simply run up and knife people, because they rarely detected me. However, now I shoot a couple bullets into their backside. Doing this, I'm already uncloaked, and they turn around. When most people turn around, they stop going backwards so quickly. As they do this, I leap from my sprint, charging and landing right in their face. I knife, and they drop Long story short: Change your tactics. It may take all Lows to Damp and a Proto Cloak, but don't always run that fit. Have numerous fits ready :) And Cal Scouts primary role in my eyes are the Combat Roles. Strafe plus 400 hundred shields and high-regen. Ace Boone's Son/ Danizzle's Friend/ OG GAM4LIfe "Are you a boy or girl?" -Most asked question in Dust Waiting for SWBF
iKILLu osborne Titans of Phoenix 506	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:24:00 - [60] - Quote gave my cal scout a run today, still op and now that everybody thinks "r.i.p scout" i have no competition lol but the removal of the directional facing on tacnet does force me to be more "careful" and "patient" if you shoot me from the redline i will ensure your death will be a swift one

Booby Tuesdays Tuesdays With Boobies 1053	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:39:00 - [61] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Assault 514 Welp, it's official. There is almost nothing left to complain about. Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 338	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:54:00 - [62] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Assault 514 Welp, it's official. There is almost nothing left to complain about. <3 Assault. Minmatar could use a make over though and Caldari could use a better bonus. The State will always survive.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1070	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:56:00 - [63] - Quote Booby Tuesdays wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Assault 514 Welp, it's official. There is almost nothing left to complain about. We're getting close. Assault sales have finally overtaken Scout sales: http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php Hoping the post-1.10 numbers favor Assault by wider margin. The sooner we help the remaining "assault scouts" find their way to Assault the better. The HP nerfs outlined in Echo should do the trick. In the mean time, we should stick to our guns and not throw handouts in response to tears from "assault scouts". These were never Scouts to begin with.
Robocop Junior research lab 845	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:58:00 - [64] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: I couldn't disagree more! I find it easier to FG the closer the enemy is, especially a behemoth lumbering along. People tend to panic as soon as those blue balls whizz by their face, especially HMGers, they tend to rush the kill and overheat. 80% is very exaggerated. I tend to nail any target no matter what range by the second shot. If I don't connect by then and the HMGer gets within optimal, 3 complex cardiacs allows me time to outrun any armor plated heavy. Please, if it was that successful the #1 killing weapon in PC would be FG, but is it? IMO you're just talking bullsh*t, a HMG will melt you before you even done charging. IMO your opinion means puff diddly, gangsta lean, and squat. One word: Alldin. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Meeko Fent True Illuminate 2249	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:01:00 - [65] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Heavy-Assault 514 it is. BTW CCP-- thanks for handing over the scout role to the logistics. Great buff. u lulwhat? So scouts are supposed to be the ones to drop equipment for the team? / I am the bluedot. And I will rise again.
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1392	Posted - 2014.12.10 03:16:00 - [66] - Quote Though my scout gk.0 is dead i am getting proto Amarr Assault ^^. Then Logi for making da moooney and heavy for decimating things Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
GLOBAL fils'de RAGE Consolidated Dust 71	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:29:00 - [67] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Watch all the real scouts return to the game. The ones that know what a scout is supposed to do. Not those 1.8 FOTM scouts, but the real deal scouts. Can't wait to log on! What do you mean "real" scouts. Scout have no role anymore. Caldari scout has almost the same scan range as a logistics suit!!! (thread in feedback/discussion). You make no WP for scanning people. If I layed scout like a scout being a pu$$y and staying far back to give team scans, my team would be the one making the WP and im just a piece of equipment. Have you ever though and thought about if logis didn't get wp fro being a logi, they would turn to killing. This is same as scout, if they can't make WP providing scans, they will kill. I have a CAL pusyoto fitting lots of antennas and with a focused scaner, cr with a dmg mod. On some maps I use my "Illumiati" fitting while I camp and make smores for my corp mates who are feeding off my passives. The foused scanner is so i can control my misc. blue minions when they get confused as to what they need to be doing. We need a piece of equipment that temporarily boosts the ewar gear in our fits so we can burn through the fog of war, and get points while active like the active scanner.
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 165	Posted - 2014.12.10 05:47:00 - [68] - Quote Correction. FOTM cloaky ninja scouts are done. GOOD RIDDANCE! Welcome the return of scouts as scouts and light assaults. I always used it as such and will continue to enjoy it. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2875	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:30:00 - [69] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cal Scout is pretty boned though. Even on the Min, I'm having real trouble making it with 2x Damps and cloak. I use my 3x damp shotgun fit fairly often now to allow me to get close enough. I have a Cal Scout with maxed ranks, and three ranks in damp. If I put even a pair of Enhanced Damps on the thing (And I do) I have 18 profile which dodges almost everything. If I actually bothered to max my damp skill on my main it would be trivial for the Cal Scout to dodge almost every scan. I have no issues murdering people with my PLC or Shotty Cal Scout fits, it's the second most naturally damped suit in the game due to the 15% inherent bonus it receives. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
CUSE WarLord KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 183	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:58:00 - [70] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Bahirae Serugiusu wrote: You would die before you hit the punk with a forgegun in CQC and in Long range you will miss about 80% of your shots. I think you just suck then. I've killed dozens of heavies with a Militia Forge Gun in CQC, sure I died immediately after but I got one all you have to do is charge before you turn a corner. And long range they are just as good so long as someone is making a B-Line (don't get that figure of speech) towards cover. Guess you never played good players. Go home and come back when you are successful in CQC with your militia FG in a PC. [/quote] dafuq you talking about your not on murphys PC team. stop crying every patch and do us all a favor and get good.

pegasis prime Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1857	Posted - 2014.12.10 06:59:00 - [71] - Quote I don't really think scouting is done for . I had many awesome games running solo in my cal scout c1 and Cko suits last night . I found very little had changed that would alter my playstyle . Proud Caldari purist . Rank 10 colonel omiwarrior. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
austintrain No Skillz inc. 4	Posted - 2014.12.10 07:49:00 - [72] - Quote admittedly, i'm terrible at DUST, but i haven't noticed any difference... i can still run fast. i can still hack stuff. i'm still as fragile as a baby bird. and i still get instantly killed, the second anyone sees me. working as intended, no?
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:25:00 - [73] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: laughs to the point of coughing up blood 20k likes Arkena! My to-do list when i return to dust: Logi my own way to an OB, and never use the cloak on my minja! And have some ISK!
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:27:00 - [74] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Correction. FOTM cloaky ninja scouts are done. GOOD RIDDANCE! Welcome the return of scouts as scouts and light assaults. I always used it as such and will continue to enjoy it. I hope you mean cloaky shotgunning scouts, and ninja not minja if anything the minja was opposite FOTM...being the hardest scout to use My to-do list when i return to dust: Logi my own way to an OB, and never use the cloak on my minja! And have some ISK!
CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1637	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:34:00 - [75] - Quote So people have finally realised the power of the min assault. Before my alt's respec I was using adv min assault with over 400 shields 200 armour and 9,71 run speed yet it took a nerf and bandwagonning fotm chasing for everyone to realise it... DUST VIDEOS
Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3299	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:34:00 - [76] - Quote xavier zor wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Correction. FOTM cloaky ninja scouts are done. GOOD RIDDANCE! Welcome the return of scouts as scouts and light assaults. I always used it as such and will continue to enjoy it. I hope you mean cloaky shotgunning scouts, and ninja not minja if anything the minja was opposite FOTM...being the hardest scout to use Hmmm, yeah, instakill weapons are hard to use. EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet". My PS3: http://imgur.com/a/5O8ok
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.12.10 08:43:00 - [77] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: xavier zor wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Correction. FOTM cloaky ninja scouts are done. GOOD RIDDANCE! Welcome the return of scouts as scouts and light assaults. I always used it as such and will continue to enjoy it. I hope you mean cloaky shotgunning scouts, and ninja not minja if anything the minja was opposite FOTM...being the hardest scout to use Hmmm, yeah, instakill weapons are hard to use. instakill weapons with a range of 2.5 metres and a charge time?? The minmitar scout also has low eHp and needs more dampeners to get under the radar. My to-do list when i return to dust: Logi my own way to an OB, and never use the cloak on my minja! And have some ISK!
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1086	Posted - 2014.12.10 12:53:00 - [78] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Correction. FOTM cloaky ninja scouts are done. GOOD RIDDANCE! Welcome the return of scouts as scouts and light assaults. I always used it as such and will continue to enjoy it. Is troll?
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 652	Posted - 2014.12.10 14:20:00 - [79] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: So people have finally realised the power of the min assault. Before my alt's respec I was using adv min assault with over 400 shields 200 armour and 9,71 run speed yet it took a nerf and bandwagonning fotm chasing for everyone to realise it... NO NO NO keep the FOTMs away from my matari suits, we can't afford to get hit with the nerf hammer Dust 514, the BEST WORST game you can't stop playing.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8748	Posted - 2014.12.10 14:57:00 - [80] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cal Scout is pretty boned though. Even on the Min, I'm having real trouble making it with 2x Damps and cloak. I use my 3x damp shotgun fit fairly often now to allow me to get close enough. I have a Cal Scout with maxed ranks, and three ranks in damp. If I put even a pair of Enhanced Damps on the thing (And I do) I have 18 profile which dodges almost everything. If I actually bothered to max my damp skill on my main it would be trivial for the Cal Scout to dodge almost every scan. I have no issues murdering people with my PLC or Shotty Cal Scout fits, it's the second most naturally damped suit in the game due to the 15% inherent bonus it receives. I forgot that it has a bonus to damps.... How does it fair with a single complex though? Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family

Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1216	Posted - 2014.12.10 15:04:00 - [81] - Quote A Murphy's guy crying? Thought I'd never see the day.
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1209	Posted - 2014.12.10 15:05:00 - [82] - Quote girl scouts are better than dust scouts anyway. they make better cookies
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 467	Posted - 2014.12.10 15:05:00 - [83] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Cal Scout is pretty boned though. Even on the Min, I'm having real trouble making it with 2x Damps and cloak. I use my 3x damp shotgun fit fairly often now to allow me to get close enough. I have a Cal Scout with maxed ranks, and three ranks in damp. If I put even a pair of Enhanced Damps on the thing (And I do) I have 18 profile which dodges almost everything. If I actually bothered to max my damp skill on my main it would be trivial for the Cal Scout to dodge almost every scan. I have no issues murdering people with my PLC or Shotty Cal Scout fits, it's the second most naturally damped suit in the game due to the 15% inherent bonus it receives. I forgot that it has a bonus to damps.... How does it fair with a single complex though? According to the numbers, 1 damp on a Cal scout gives 20db. Realistically this isn't going to be scanned by anything over 8m other than a max precision Amarr scout, and even then only within 15m. This is unless focussed scanners become popular.
Mejt0 Fat'Kids are Hard to Kidnap 572	Posted - 2014.12.10 15:10:00 - [84] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Mejt0 wrote: No thay are not. SG/NK scouts still terrorize in towns and outside points. Ps. Why are people constantly telling that : gal,is ez mode, cal is done, minja is hardcore, amarr is [something]? Minmatar scout only looses little portion of hp compared to other scouts while having great bonuses [hack/nk]. It also have its speed. Minja - the one worth using. Hacking is a minor bonus. It's worth one complex complex codebreaker which is much easily put on another suit. Nova knive bonus is useless because everybody and their mother can scan you if go up behind them. They see you coming, the back pedal, boom boom dead. Someone would need 2codebreakers to be almost like minja with one [most fits] and it's good bonus. Who will scan you? You mean these paethic 6-7m [with skills] scan range? I would already charge my NK before someone would notice me on tancet. 6-7m is literaly 3steps for minja. Shhh... you don't know young one. I have been there and done that and I know all. BTW, Minmatar scout with no skills has less base hacking abilities than the min logi. P.S. the logi has 2 more slots. Let me go make a protofit real quick to show you. Protofits doesn't want to load: But here are the facts a Standard Minmatar Logi with one complex codebreaker had a hacking spee factor of 1.88 and a prototype minmatar scout no code breaker has a hacking speed factor of 1.72 which is .10 less than the LOGI!! also P.S. A prototype Min logi has one extra low slot and high slot over the min scout. So basically by putting on one complex codebreaker it used up one of it's EXTRA lows to get to min scout status. And for sure that logi will hack the point undetected and w/o instant death. [Answer is Nope.] Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 376	Posted - 2014.12.10 15:22:00 - [85] - Quote The op and its kind are done. Destinys 10 year plan was great.
axis alpha Red Star. EoN. 404	Posted - 2014.12.10 15:32:00 - [86] - Quote I'm doing just fine as an ak0. I don't damp or brick I use my suit as intended and I'm doing decent as a scout. And for you cloakers crying you are being scanned. No suit should be unscannable. That's just broken. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 341	Posted - 2014.12.10 16:19:00 - [87] - Quote For the death of scouts and everything but Assault and Sentinels I've seen alot of scouts still (not as bad as before), and a few Logis which is normal. I have noticed more heavies then normal (aka 4) but then again it could have been that the Ambush match was centered around a small silo. And like 2 other Assaults. The State will always survive.
Operative 1174 Uuali The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 166	Posted - 2014.12.11 03:53:00 - [88] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Correction. FOTM cloaky ninja scouts are done. GOOD RIDDANCE! Welcome the return of scouts as scouts and light assaults. I always used it as such and will continue to enjoy it. Is troll? No, is precloak FOTM DUST. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
VAHZZ 455	Posted - 2014.12.11 04:53:00 - [89] - Quote Yet us Scouts still thrive. My alliance is to no man, everyone burns all the same. ~ Proud Sniper Scout
Henrietta Unknown Kirjuun Heiian 601	Posted - 2014.12.11 07:12:00 - [90] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Yet us Scouts still thrive. ^ And cloaky-SG scouts still exist. That ak.0 with a Creodron in Ambush... Scouts' roles seem to shine in FW and objective-centric games now. Assaulting points and guarding unprotected/contested ones. The Scout C-1 with cmplx damp and SG is a good places to start, however cheap and scrubby. Public Announcement: Tell players to terminate in order to access MCRU's.

John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 1060	Posted - 2014.12.11 07:21:00 - [91] - Quote Now scout are more scout. Please support fair play!
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 566	Posted - 2014.12.11 07:48:00 - [92] - Quote Just so you guys know, Dukey is not a scrub scout. Dude has been slicing and dicing and putting up ludicrous numbers in a min scout against top competition in PC, he knows how to use it. He's just well aware that his role is being castrated and is no longer effective competitively. Only loyal to the republic. I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 566	Posted - 2014.12.11 07:48:00 - [93] - Quote Henrietta Unknown wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Yet us Scouts still thrive. ^ And cloaky-SG scouts still exist. That ak.0 with a Creodron in Ambush... Scouts' roles seem to shine in FW and objective-centric games now. Assaulting points and guarding unprotected/contested ones. The Scout C-1 with cmplx damp and SG is a good places to start, however cheap and scrubby. All scouts except Gal are done. They need to give all scouts an innate dampening bonus like the gallente. Only loyal to the republic. I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
VAHZZ 456	Posted - 2014.12.11 07:58:00 - [94] - Quote Scouts have been nerfed countless times, this isn't new stuff going on people. Scouts aren't done, the day they are done is the day their coding gets taken out of the banks. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. I remember when CCP wouldn't even ** on a scout and give it the courtesy of calling it rain. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but us scouts, are far from done. ~ Proud Sniper Scout**
Ace Boone Capital Acquisitions LLC 567	Posted - 2014.12.11 08:01:00 - [95] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Scouts have been nerfed countless times, this isn't new stuff going on people. Scouts aren't done, the day they are done is the day their coding gets taken out of the banks. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. I remember when CCP wouldn't even pis on a scout and give it the courtesy of calling it rain. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but us scouts, are far from done. Whose alt are you? Only loyal to the republic. I'm nothing more than bittervet without a PS3.
VAHZZ 456	Posted - 2014.12.11 08:05:00 - [96] - Quote Ace Boone wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Scouts have been nerfed countless times, this isn't new stuff going on people. Scouts aren't done, the day they are done is the day their coding gets taken out of the banks. And I don't see that happening anytime soon. I remember when CCP wouldn't even pis on a scout and give it the courtesy of calling it rain. I'm sorry if that sounds rude, but us scouts, are far from done. Whose alt are you? I'm no alt, just a returning vet. ~ Proud Sniper Scout
Clone D Grundstein Automation 1046	Posted - 2014.12.11 11:23:00 - [97] - Quote The final option left to scouts is to dampen and cloak. I wouldn't say that they're done, but their utility has been excessively restricted. ISK Trader channel: blitz
501st Headstrong Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 771	Posted - 2014.12.11 11:51:00 - [98] - Quote Is this not the purpose of a scout however? To dampen, infiltrate? I don't see why people are mad there are more Assaults when they literally should be the meat of the game, backed up by Logis, with Heavies for Point-Defense. Scouts are not done, and running two complex damps in a pub will get you under most scans. Throw on 3 and a Proto Cloak if you have to. Ace Boone's Son/ Danizzle's Friend/ OG GAM4LIfe "Are you a boy or girl?" -Most asked question in Dust Waiting for SWBF
Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2014.12.11 12:53:00 - [99] - Quote Scouts are by no means done yet, only forced into their intended role a bit more strictly. It can still shine, so use your innate abilities: situational awareness, unparalleled speed, your will to embrace risk for great rewards. Seen a Cal Scout come unto a group of of 5 and decimating them all with his nova knife by pure speed, strafing and the advantage of small space confinement of the group, so there was no place to run to for them and too much risk of damaging bystanding brothers in this FW match, so he could use the little space between them to dodge and quick turn-strike. I cannot hope to ever be as skilled a scout as this one, but he definitely knew how to dominate the situation and how not to. The scout is still strong under 1.10 in the right hands, if played upon its strengths and role. Now that many role deviating mis-uses, as imaginative as they may be are being discouraged via introduced scanning and armor plate mechanics, the return of the real scout (not FOTM scrub) is dawning and to be feared the more and for good reason: where it was still possible to save our sorry ass from unskilled scout band-wagoners pre-1.10 by simply spraying into their general direction, the real McCoy scouts will come to their right and our undoing, and I pay my fullest respect to them. For the Logis: now, finally, quality suits, uplinks and nanos count again, rejoice. I logi a lot since 1.10 and enjoy that my contribution is finally singular and of clearly noticable value to the team again. To CCP: Extremely good patch, some itches here and there, but great overall. Still missing the heavy Amarr weapon and vehicles still. Something to think about.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 244	Posted - 2014.12.11 12:59:00 - [100] - Quote just got 31 knife kills in a match earlier this morning/late last night i don't even cloak. r.i.p scrub scouts lol

Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1290	Posted - 2014.12.11 20:54:00 - [101] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Is this not the purpose of a scout however? To dampen, infiltrate? I don't see why people are mad there are more Assaults when they literally should be the meat of the game, backed up by Logis, with Heavies for Point-Defense. Scouts are not done, and running two complex damps in a pub will get you under most scans. Throw on 3 and a Proto Cloak if you have to. This is what annoys me, "Oh just throw on three damps and a Proto cloak, everything will be fine." That is possibly the most ignorant argument a player can make. PROTO Amarr Scout- If it threw on 3 damps and a proto cloak, what does that leave him with. ONE LOW SLOT- What are you going to do with that one low slot? Put on a kin cat? Armor plate? Armor rep? Code breaker? Range amplifier. Min scout- same thing. except at ADV you only have 2 lows. Should scouts without dampen bonus always have to run proto to get under scan? Gimp the sht out of their fits?Run all damps on lows to get under some freking scrub Assault/ Logi suit with 3 precision. Using 3 slots on an assault/logi is equivalent to using one slot on a scout suit. This is why you see a lot of scouts Brick tank- because if you run EWAR- you run the most gimped fit possible in this game. Not only do precision mods/ range amps not do sht for you, but dampening makes you weaker than than a starter fit. How about we do something about this bullsh*t and allow scouts to play like scouts? If you want to see me run up on u with a 600 EHP cal scout I run now, sure, but If you don't give me a reason to use ewar. Literally logis, are better at EWAR than scouts. Chocolate Juice
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1291	Posted - 2014.12.11 20:59:00 - [102] - Quote Templar XIII wrote: Scouts are by no means done yet, only forced into their intended role a bit more strictly. It can still shine, so use your innate abilities: situational awareness, unparalleled speed, your will to embrace risk for great rewards. Seen a Cal Scout come unto a group of of 5 and decimating them all with his nova knife by pure speed, strafing and the advantage of small space confinement of the group, so there was no place to run to for them and too much risk of damaging bystanding brothers in this FW match, so he could use the little space between them to dodge and quick turn-strike. I cannot hope to ever be as skilled a scout as this one, but he definitely knew how to dominate the situation and how not to. The scout is still strong under 1.10 in the right hands, if played upon its strengths and role. Now that many role deviating mis-uses, as imaginative as they may be are being discouraged via introduced scanning and armor plate mechanics, the return of the real scout (not FOTM scrub) is dawning and to be feared the more and for good reason: where it was still possible to save our sorry ass from unskilled scout band-wagoners pre-1.10 by simply spraying into their general direction, the real McCoy scouts will come to their right and our undoing, and I pay my fullest respect to them. For the Logis: now, finally, quality suits, uplinks and nanos count again, rejoice. I logi a lot since 1.10 and enjoy that my contribution is finally singular and of clearly noticable value to the team again. Sure, to counter incoming threads like say, a tanker, does not allow you to switch suits in a matter of seconds w/o your deployable go poof, and you have to rely more on your teammates to weather this storm, but I do think this is a good thing, it will foster and reward teamplay the more. To CCP: Extremely good patch, some itches here and there, but great overall. Still missing the heavy Amarr weapon and vehicles still. Something to think about. Except we don't have situational awareness, nor do we have unparalleled speed due to the fact we have to stack damps on lows like a mofo. P.S. Those 5 players must have been sh*t as hell. Also, I see any scrub can pick up a heavy suit/ assault suit and do "good", why not scout? Scout- it's proto or nothing. Chocolate Juice


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