*Meanwhile, people are still stabbing and shotgunning as ever with their scout pigsuits in the dust universe*

FTFY

You just gotta DAMP DAMP DAMP like crazy.

Cal Scout is pretty boned though. Even on the Min, I'm having real trouble making it with 2x Damps and cloak. I use my 3x damp shotgun fit fairly often now to allow me to get close enough.

I told everyone when the changes were posted. If you don't want Cal and Min scouts to have an insanely hard time dodging scans, they will need a damp bonus. 2-3 low slots is not enough.

FotM chasers killed the game.

Whether it was Scouts or Slayer Logis.

Don't get yourself confused that it was the problem with a dedicated role.

Heavies will soon see the same problem. Hopefully we are moving towards a point where there is a viable role for all suit types.

Too early to tell anything with certainty, though I suspect you're incorrect.

I tried my scout and it was OK, but I tried it during only one game so I can't really tell yet.
I've warned though that the ridiculous short range precision would become a problem

Cal scout is the only one that is pretty done now. You can still use it as combat scout and put high scores but it's just not worth it when you have assaults, which are better and way funnier to use.

Min scout will still be for hardcore players. In good hands, you can slay and ninja hack objectives with 100% efficiency.

Gal scout is still the best scout and EZ mode scout.

Amarr scout is the best scanning suit in the game period. If you put enough ranges on lows, you will be able to see EVERYTHING in the range of 10-15m (closer scan circle); though it's not worth it when you there is gallogi having good native eWAR, more HP, more slaying capabilities and them scanners.

Stop the QQ, scouts are overall still king of slaying if fitted and used properly. And you don't have to put a Breach AR to see it.

You don't like having solid EWAR values, running at between 9-11 m/s, good biotics values, having the smallest hit box, 2 equipment slots, same ligh weapon fitting capacity ,and a bonus to visual cloak..... etc?

You want more that that?

You have mobility, equivalent DPS, essential invisibility, an essentially small sig radii......

Have you tried a Forge Gun? Takes an insanely tanked out Sentinel to survive one.

Blah blah blah

ADS are done for because they lowered the bonus for Pythons (I actually believe it to an extent with swarms)

Tankers are done for because they buffed installations

Logis are done for because no more equipment spam

Scouts are done for because now they don't know what direction people are facing (OH THE HORROR!!!!)

Heavies are done for because they nerfed/buffed the HMG

Rail Rifles are done for because they buffed to recoil (I have noticed a lot fewer rail rifles)

Assaults are never done for because few people use them to begin with (Still want a better Caldari Assault bonus)

Other then Assault suits what in this game isn't done for/ruining the game?

No thay are not.
SG/NK scouts still terrorize in towns and outside points.

Ps. Why are people constantly telling that : gal,is ez mode, cal is done, minja is hardcore, amarr is [something]?
Minmatar scout only looses little portion of hp compared to other scouts while having great bonuses [hack/nk]. It also have its speed.
Minja - the one worth using.

Watch all the real scouts return to the game. The ones that know what a scout is supposed to do. Not those 1.8 FOTM scouts, but the real deal scouts. Can't wait to log on!

You would die before you hit the punk with a forgegun in CQC and in Long range you will miss about 80% of your shots.

First and foremost that is still between 2-3 M/s faster than most every other suit in the game so don't look to unfavourably on that. Small hit boxes do come into play while strafing and at range other wise most if not all of the community would not have spammed scouts for the last X months, your cloak is supposed to be a tool to help you sneak around by reducing your ability to be seen and scanned to a degree not rending you completely invisible, and since not assault bonus actually adjust light weapon DPS....... you do have access to exactly the same DPS values as any other suit except the Commando.

I couldn't disagree more! I find it easier to FG the closer the enemy is, especially a behemoth lumbering along. People tend to panic as soon as those blue balls whizz by their face, especially HMGers, they tend to rush the kill and overheat. 80% is very exaggerated. I tend to nail any target no matter what range by the second shot. If I don't connect by then and the HMGer gets within optimal, 3 complex cardiacs allows me time to outrun any armor plated heavy.

Someone would need 2codebreakers to be almost like minja with one [most fits] and it's good bonus.

Who will scan you? You mean these paethic 6-7m [with skills] scan range?
I would already charge my NK before someone would notice me on tancet. 6-7m is literaly 3steps for minja.

Not everyone who ran scout ran it with lots of tank and shooting from cloak etc.

Just as there were still support Logis when Slayer Logis were the thing.

Those that really want to be scouts will stay scouts. Those who just wanted the most OP suit will move on. Those are the people that ruined it. That is my point.

Is this not the purpose of a scout however? To dampen, infiltrate? I don't see why people are mad there are more Assaults when they literally should be the meat of the game, backed up by Logis, with Heavies for Point-Defense. Scouts are not done, and running two complex damps in a pub will get you under most scans. Throw on 3 and a Proto Cloak if you have to.

Scouts are by no means done yet, only forced into their intended role a bit more strictly. It can still shine, so use your innate abilities: situational awareness, unparalleled speed, your will to embrace risk for great rewards.

Seen a Cal Scout come unto a group of of 5 and decimating them all with his nova knife by pure speed, strafing and the advantage of small space confinement of the group, so there was no place to run to for them and too much risk of damaging bystanding brothers in this FW match, so he could use the little space between them to dodge and quick turn-strike. I cannot hope to ever be as skilled a scout as this one, but he definitely knew how to dominate the situation and how not to.

The scout is still strong under 1.10 in the right hands, if played upon its strengths and role.
Now that many role deviating mis-uses, as imaginative as they may be are being discouraged via introduced scanning and armor plate mechanics, the return of the real scout (not FOTM scrub) is dawning and to be feared the more and for good reason:
where it was still possible to save our sorry ass from unskilled scout band-wagoners pre-1.10 by simply spraying into their general direction, the real McCoy scouts will come to their right and our undoing, and I pay my fullest respect to them.

For the Logis: now, finally, quality suits, uplinks and nanos count again, rejoice. I logi a lot since 1.10 and enjoy that my contribution is finally singular and of clearly noticable value to the team again. Sure, to counter incoming threads like say, a tanker, does not allow you to switch suits in a matter of seconds w/o your deployable go poof, and you have to rely more on your teammates to weather this storm, but I do think this is a good thing, it will foster and reward teamplay the more.

To CCP: Extremely good patch, some itches here and there, but great overall.
Still missing the heavy Amarr weapon and vehicles still. Something to think about.