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CrotchGrab 360 Yon Hyaku Nijuu Moyase 1631	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:15:00 - [61] - Quote the only way to change this without nerfing the suits themselves (and the people who just use HMGs/forges) is to make it so the heavy suit can only fit heavy weapons. I agree with OP, sick of losing firefights to scrubs just because they had more health but less skill. Somebody out there will always be better and have more HP but this is pure overcompensating for a severe lack of skill. DUST VIDEOS
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2529	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:25:00 - [62] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Log on Checkmate, and let's the 3 of us run a few and discuss this. I think we're talking past each other at this point. And so you know, my KDR is much better when I run solo. I typically am a passive scanning scout (i.e. paper thin) when I run in a squad, and I don't try as hard to win knowing I cannot affect the battle as much solo as when in a squad. And TBH, I don't judge people on KDR. It's a bad way to judge things, I think. I judge players by how they act in game. I just threw out KDR because of the trollish comments -- which I probably should have ignored. But, much like how I act when someone kills me in-game, I come after those who come after me or my friends...I can be rather hard headed in this regard...and KDR be damned. I accept you invitation. Just not for today. If im not mistaken is the last day of LP week and i've sacrificed ALL of my ISK (the remaining XD) in getting my APEX Seraph and Dragon suits. And im still at 70k LP and i need to grind 30k just today. I get 3800LP per win so i still have enoug hwork to do... I usually play after work , around 8.30pm Central time. So, from tomorrow on it will be ok. I'll msge you. Funny, i could swear i've fought you on an ASSAULT suits. not a scout. At least not that i remember. I dont even know what my K-D is. I swear. I think it might be around 2.7 maybe.... well, after this week probably around 2.5 since i've been going negative EVERY SINGLE AMarr FW i play solo... thats what i get for giving a d@mn... No worries, we'll do it some other time. Having fun running with Robocop. FWIW, I run Assault the least of all my suits -- I'd guess 1% of the time -- although I suspect that will change with 1.10....Scouts got a serious nerf. Probably 80% scout, 10% heavy, 10% logi.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5701	Posted - 2014.12.09 19:55:00 - [63] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: This is a nice batch of disinformation you have here. Let me set you straight on something because it's the only point you make worth a comment since nothing anyone says to the contrary about the HMG losing 50% of its DPS outright to dispersion and falloff at 31 meters will be acknowledged as relevant by you. But back to the point: The assault HMG isn't used because you can't beat anyone with it 1v1 except in edge cases. The weapon is utter trash in it's current incarnation. Running a standard assault rifle works better. Thats NOT the point at all. The Point is that HMG's are too effective outside their Optimal range. Same as SCR Rifles used to, by preforming better than SG's At CQ engagements? well yeah... Thats the point, IMO. LEad says that the issue is not the HMG. but i dont know what he thinks its broken here. And other people say its the Suit.... Putting the Sentinel in the CQC role to begin with was a mistake. Our happy fun times today I predicted in Beta when they made the HMG a point blank weapon (which makes no sense whatsoever). But the blunt fact is CQC negates every disadvantage a heavy has. Period. end. stop. It isn't the EHP, the cold fact is that CQC is the only place where Sentinels can overcome easily every inherent problem with the dropsuits. And in order to balance the HMG so that it didn't simply get stomped into the mud they had to ramp it up to 11. The weapon IS the problem, the environment is the problem. the lack of open area maps is a MAJOR problem for caldari balance overall. but the bizarre and incomprehensible decision to say "It's a heavy machinegun! It makes sense that it only works at spitball range! means that the damn thing will always balance on a razor's edge and a couple decimel changes ANYWHERE in the game can cause it to overperform or turn to utter crap. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6227	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:02:00 - [64] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Putting the Sentinel in the CQC role to begin with was a mistake. Our happy fun times today I predicted in Beta when they made the HMG a point blank weapon (which makes no sense whatsoever). But the blunt fact is CQC negates every disadvantage a heavy has. Period. end. stop. It isn't the EHP, the cold fact is that CQC is the only place where Sentinels can overcome easily every inherent problem with the dropsuits. And in order to balance the HMG so that it didn't simply get stomped into the mud they had to ramp it up to 11. The weapon IS the problem, the environment is the problem. the lack of open area maps is a MAJOR problem for caldari balance overall. but the bizarre and incomprehensible decision to say "It's a heavy machinegun! It makes sense that it only works at spitball range! means that the damn thing will always balance on a razor's edge and a couple decimel changes ANYWHERE in the game can cause it to overperform or turn to utter crap. ITs not the sentinel. ITs the HMG that has the CQ role. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5701	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:05:00 - [65] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Putting the Sentinel in the CQC role to begin with was a mistake. Our happy fun times today I predicted in Beta when they made the HMG a point blank weapon (which makes no sense whatsoever). But the blunt fact is CQC negates every disadvantage a heavy has. Period. end. stop. It isn't the EHP, the cold fact is that CQC is the only place where Sentinels can overcome easily every inherent problem with the dropsuits. And in order to balance the HMG so that it didn't simply get stomped into the mud they had to ramp it up to 11. The weapon IS the problem, the environment is the problem. the lack of open area maps is a MAJOR problem for caldari balance overall. but the bizarre and incomprehensible decision to say "It's a heavy machinegun! It makes sense that it only works at spitball range! means that the damn thing will always balance on a razor's edge and a couple decimel changes ANYWHERE in the game can cause it to overperform or turn to utter crap. ITs not the sentinel. ITs the HMG that has the CQ role. That statement to this day makes no sense. HMG should never have been a CQC weapon to begin with. But it definitely takes advantage of the fact that heavy drawbacks are meaningless in CQC. It's not JUST the HMG, and until you lot start recognizing that rather like scouts there are MULTIPLE contributing factors, not just a single issue this discussion will go nowhere. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2530	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:46:00 - [66] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: ITs not the sentinel. ITs the HMG that has the CQ role. [/b] That statement to this day makes no sense. HMG should never have been a CQC weapon to begin with. But it definitely takes advantage of the fact that heavy drawbacks are meaningless in CQC. It's not JUST the HMG, and until you lot start recognizing that rather like scouts there are MULTIPLE contributing factors, not just a single issue this discussion will go nowhere. It may make no sense to you, but King's dead on, IMO. And I think there are a total of 5 people that agree with you that "HMG should never have been a CQC weapon to begin with"...and that's why your proposals to change the sentinel/HMG were, for the most part, ignored. Rattati will balance the Sentinel / HMG issue out, of that I have no doubt. Let's give him a chance to look at this one and address it, shall we?
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6229	Posted - 2014.12.09 20:54:00 - [67] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: FWIW, I run Assault the least of all my suits -- I'd guess 1% of the time -- although I suspect that will change with 1.10....Scouts got a serious nerf. If you foced me to guess, I run probably 80% scout, 15% heavy, 5% logi. Well...who knows. All min suits look alike to me... (YOU DO run Min scouts at least right? if not, then i never see you when you kill me hehe) Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2530	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:00:00 - [68] - Quote That's kind of the point, King, of running passive scanning scout suits. If you see me first, I'm generally dead.... And you're wrong again. I run 90% Cal Scout when I'm in a scout suit, and the other 10% of the time I'm in the Amarr Scout. Let's run tomorrow night and talk through this....I should be on.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6229	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:05:00 - [69] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: That's kind of the point, King, of running passive scanning scout suits. If you see me first, I'm generally dead.... And you're wrong again. Min is the only race I don't play, lol. I run, in order of frequency: Cal Scout, Am Scout, Am Sentinel, Gal Logi, Cal Logi, Cal Assault, Gal Assault. Let's run tomorrow night and talk through this....I should be on. Hmm. Ok So My Amarr scout will be used next time i see you on the enemy side... XD 2cx Prec Enhancers and Proto Focused Scans for you bro. (as you probably already noticed, my situational awareness is of 0% ) Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2530	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:08:00 - [70] - Quote That will work....the first time....maybe the 2nd, then my "sneaky amarr" comes out (i.e. double dampened with 2 range amps and 2 precision enhancers). You will not scan me in that suit, but as you know, they become paper thin at that point.

Izlare Lenix Titans of Phoenix 1167	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:16:00 - [71] - Quote The real reason why everyone will flock to hmg is because of active scanners. Scouts will have to be paper thin to avoid the best scanner and medium frames can't avoid the best and also must be low ehp to avoid average scanners. So if your going to be scanned at 100+ meters you might as well have 1500 hp and a 850+ dps death ray with 50 meter killing range. HMG spam has always been an issue but the true reign of the fatties has begun. The only winner of WWIII will be the cockroaches.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5703	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:16:00 - [72] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: ITs not the sentinel. ITs the HMG that has the CQ role. [/b] That statement to this day makes no sense. HMG should never have been a CQC weapon to begin with. But it definitely takes advantage of the fact that heavy drawbacks are meaningless in CQC. It's not JUST the HMG, and until you lot start recognizing that rather like scouts there are MULTIPLE contributing factors, not just a single issue this discussion will go nowhere. It may make no sense to you, but King's dead on, IMO. And I think there are a total of 5 people that agree with you that "HMG should never have been a CQC weapon to begin with"...and that's why your proposals to change the sentinel/HMG were, for the most part, ignored. Rattati will balance the Sentinel / HMG issue out, of that I have no doubt. Let's give him a chance to look at this one and address it -- and in the meantime provide feedback on 1.10 -- shall we? I'm still seeing that thread necro'd up every few days with more people supporting it. Nice to see you think it's dumb, but I don't really care about you. and no, king isn't dead on. You all are flailing about screaming about the symptoms rather than looking for a solution. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2532	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:20:00 - [73] - Quote I don't think it's dumb, I simply disagree, and if you will look at my 3rd post in this thread, I proposed some changes....effectively reducing the DPS of the HMG or reducing the EHP of the Sentinel suit. And how much would you like to wager that CCP Rattati will agree with me (and tweak one of those statistics) rather than you as to where the next round of nerfs to the HMG/Sentinel will occur? I'll put 20M ISK up. You game?
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5704	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:26:00 - [74] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I don't think it's dumb, I simply disagree, and if you will look at my 3rd post in this thread, I proposed some changes....effectively reducing the DPS of the HMG or reducing the EHP of the Sentinel suit. And how much would you like to wager that CCP Rattati will agree with me (and tweak one of those statistics) rather than you as to where the next round of nerfs to the HMG/Sentinel will occur? I'll put 20M ISK up. You game? yours is the low hanging fruit and wouldn't require coding to add a turn speed penalty to the HMG, Boundless HMG and MH-82 HMG. Whenever actual "work" is involved CCP is notorious for trying to find an easy copout that will kinda patch the problem over. no bet. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2532	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:27:00 - [75] - Quote Fair enough. For those interested in Breakin's proposal, please see this thread.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6230	Posted - 2014.12.09 21:52:00 - [76] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: That will work....the first time....maybe the 2nd, then my "sneaky amarr" comes out (i.e. double dampened with 2 range amps and 2 precision enhancers w/proto cloak). You will not scan me in that suit, but as you know, they become paper thin at that point... it has less than 300hp. I can. I use a Proto FOcused A.Scanner on my Amarr scout too n.n :P (plus i think an Amarr scout with 2cx precision enhancers CAN indeed scan another AMarr/Min with 2 cx damps...unless he is proto cloaked. At least thats how it used to be {not gal and cal because they ALSO have 15% damp bonus}) I MIGHT be wrong , but hey im excused. cuz im a scrub. Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2535	Posted - 2014.12.09 22:46:00 - [77] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: That will work....the first time....maybe the 2nd, then my "sneaky amarr" comes out (i.e. double dampened with 2 range amps and 2 precision enhancers w/proto cloak). You will not scan me in that suit, but as you know, they become paper thin at that point... it has less than 300hp. I can. I use a Proto FOcused A.Scanner on my Amarr scout too n.n :P (plus i think an Amarr scout with 2cx precision enhancers CAN indeed scan another AMarr/Min with 2 cx damps...unless he is proto cloaked. At least thats how it used to be {not gal and cal because they ALSO have 15% damp bonus}) I MIGHT be wrong , but hey im excused. cuz im a scrub. Yup, that's right. Takes 3 damps w/proto cloak on the Amarr scout to become invisible
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect 565	Posted - 2014.12.09 23:45:00 - [78] - Quote HMG sentinels are one nerf from being total useless as their only role is to kill other dropsuits. BTW My min assault with combat rifle just eats heavies for breakfeast, what are you doing wrong?
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6232	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:05:00 - [79] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: That will work....the first time....maybe the 2nd, then my "sneaky amarr" comes out (i.e. double dampened with 2 range amps and 2 precision enhancers w/proto cloak). You will not scan me in that suit, but as you know, they become paper thin at that point... it has less than 300hp. I can. I use a Proto FOcused A.Scanner on my Amarr scout too n.n :P (plus i think an Amarr scout with 2cx precision enhancers CAN indeed scan another AMarr/Min with 2 cx damps...unless he is proto cloaked. At least thats how it used to be {not gal and cal because they ALSO have 15% damp bonus}) I MIGHT be wrong , but hey im excused. cuz im a scrub. Yup, that's right (the amarr being able to pick up double dampened am scout until the proto cloak engaged). The proto focused on your scout won't get me though. Takes 3 damps w/proto cloak on the Amarr scout (@ 14 dB) to become invisible to the Gal Logi proto focused (@ 15dB). Bottom line: Dampening wins. Not quite. You see, to equip 3x cx dampeners you have to SEVERELY gimp your suit. Compared to my 575 armor amarr ak.0 scout with A.Scanner and 2 cx precision enhancers you are running practically nude. And even if i cant scan you with my focused, if you are wearing 3 cx damps, the message ''SOME MARGIN OF ERROR'' would actually be enough to know you are around.... XD We'll see. We also have pending to squad up...and next time i find you alone, to brawl... Amarr Logi, Scout, Assault , Sentinel and soon Commando. Check MY loyalty Empress o7
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1051	Posted - 2014.12.10 00:09:00 - [80] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: HMG sentinels are one nerf from being total useless as their only role is to kill other dropsuits. This is probably the stupidest thing I have ever read. One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!

Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 472	Posted - 2014.12.10 01:32:00 - [81] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: WARxion ForDUST wrote: ITT: He got killed by a Sentinel. Yes, I got killed a lot of times in my proto gal assault by a std or adv sentinels. They have worse aim than me, they just stand still and they destroy me. Working as intended. And THIS is why your post is lacking. Instead of taking the time to comment on the situation and remove all potential factors that affected your death (you didn't even comment on the situation -- all you said was that Sentinels kill you) you immediately assumed that they can't aim as well as you. The Entitlement is strong with this one. Ripley Riley wrote: Also, who the ** decided they get to be CQC masters? When did that discussion happen? Which CCP employee stated that? Been that way forever. CCP decided that. Did you think the players get to decide the role? That's like me coming in here and saying scouts shouldn't have ewar or equipment slots. "Who the decided that scouts role is to observe the enemy!?" Please consider your statement on this one... Bethhy wrote:** Grab a mouse and plug it into the USB and try the HMG. It is actually a challenge to keep your circle crosshairs on target enough that you are hitting accurately. Grab the DS3? and the Aim assist makes my HMG hit 90% bullet accuracy when the crosshair is generally over target.. Aim assist unbalances everything in this game. That is an interesting possibility. I always have aim assist off so I can't comment on its veracity -- but I never considered that the HMG dispersion might be cancelled out by aim assist.... Regardless, all of this aside, Sentinels are very good in CQC we can all agree. And as Ripley pointed out -- once the heavies are on a point you really have to go engage them or the game is lost. And the VAST MAJORITY of points are in CQC where heavies are great and not open areas (where heavies are literally the worst class.) The majority of problems would be solved if there was less CQC areas for heavies to dominate in objective game modes. Remember, heavies on Ambush in the largely open maps fair very poorly.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5708	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:09:00 - [82] - Quote That's funny because the HMG is supposed to be a weapon AA doesn't work on. If AA is actually helping it that goes a long way in explaining why it seems to be over performing. I use a mouse so no AA. I don't have a pet logi and I don't equipment spam. I generally find the sentinel suits die easy. But I do things the hard way instinctively. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Kayla Michael Tactical Logistics and Cargo Northern Associates. 42	Posted - 2014.12.10 02:20:00 - [83] - Quote You mean "scout 514". I can basically can say the same with that class. Because you don't have to be visible to win, just hide in chicken mode, and cherry pick the opponent. IN MY OPINION I think the scout is the most disagreeable, because of the cheap mode they have. Additionally they don't scout, they're assassins...
pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1053	Posted - 2014.12.10 12:05:00 - [84] - Quote Kayla Michael wrote: You mean "scout 514". I can basically can say the same with that class. Because you don't have to be visible to win, just hide in chicken mode, and cherry pick the opponent. IN MY OPINION I think the scout is the most disagreeable, because of the cheap mode they have. Additionally they don't scout, they're assassins... Scouts got nerfed with 1.10 Sentinels got buffed One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5711	Posted - 2014.12.10 13:21:00 - [85] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: Powerh8er wrote: HMG sentinels are one nerf from being total useless as their only role is to kill other dropsuits. This is probably the stupidest thing I have ever read. If for no other reason than he apparently hasn't figured out that Forge Guns Exist. Don't get me wrong guys, I'm not thrilled with the sentinel spam, and I think it's crap. I've been doing sentinels pretty much through all of the best and worst times. Unfortunately this is one of the worst. I don't consider specific suit class spam because it's less difficult "Good times." Mostly the fact that people have figured out how to min/max the sentinels in their role via buddy logi farming, or equipment drops or the dreaded Three-HMG-Salute is pretty much a lot of what's going on. If the maps had more useful open areas and things like hack points weren't all clustered around CQC areas there'd be more use for assaults. But as it stands, most of the game is played in building complexes now, with few rare exceptions. Couple that with the fact that all of the rifles ate a nerf at the same time sentinels got their resists added and... Yeah. It's not JUST the HMG that's a problem. The sentinel's weaknesses and resist profiles would make more sense in open ground combat where they could be expected to eat more bullets, and be exposed more to the weapons that absolutely tear them to ribbons (like the charged sniper) rather than depending upon packs of shotty and RE scouts to crash into and break the line. The HMG is an entirely different problem because it always has, and in my opinion always will, dance the razor's edge of OP and useless so long as it's exclusively a CQC weapon. So far in my opinion the burst is the only balanced version of the HMG right now because it's just as likely that the operator overheats and kills himself as it is that he kills someone else unless he has the heat timing PERFECT. My primary objection in this thread is you seem to be latching on to symptoms of the problem rather than the problems themselves, and are looking in a direction that will not balance the HMG but utterly render it worthless. A lot of your suggestions have been tried in the past, and they turned out to be horrendous. My idea for a turn speed penalty would make a CQC weapon worthless but it provides a functional weak point for a Long Range suppression weapon. I am of the opinion that the HMG is overall poorly designed, and I blame the community we had during beta for demanding it be turned into basically what we have now by popular accord as much as I am annoyed at the devs for listening. Because they gave it suicide range they had to remove the turn penalties because heavies were too easy... then they had to buff the damage... then buff it again... then TTK became too short so they nerfed the rifles (my mind is boggled here). But honestly I think that the battle rifles need to be returned to 1.whatever levels and have that nerf reverted, OR the HMG needs to have it's damage or RoF brought down by the average damage output of the battle rifles. I'm not stupid enough to claim that effectively buffing sentinels by 25-35% on average vs. the weapons meant to drill them (when you combine the average nerfing with the resist bonuses) didn't create a problem. The math in my brain makes my head hurt because I can't think of a logical reason why they DID that. This is a give and take thing. To be clear, I fully support the idea that yes, this is a problem. I simly disagree with you on the implementation of a solution. That solution HAS to take the form of either a nerf, or the eviction of the standard and potentially assault HMGs from CQC roles because sustained fire, lunatic DPS combined with a dozen other factors makes sentinels in CQC nigh unstoppable. It's kinda like my take on scouts. It wasn't the EWAR, or the speed, or the hit glitching, or the REs or any other single factor that made them an overall problem. It was a synergy between multiple factors that combined into a big ball of insanity. So please read my commentary WITHOUT the brain filter of "Breakin wants to protect the OPness of the Sentinel." I think the sentinel would be fine if we had more open area maps. But since we don't, and CQC dominates, it's long past time to adjust either the role of the weapons, or buff the assaults by reverting the battle rifles, or a direct nerf to heavies. I just want to see the above implemented incrementally. I also firmly believe that the sentinel should be considered a support suit best used in concert in support of an assault squad, not the go-to suit for murdering everything with impunity. Does that clarify my stance here a bit? EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1087	Posted - 2014.12.10 13:30:00 - [86] - Quote If I were 1,500HP Sentinel with a 900 DPS weapon, I'd expect my back to be my weakspot. I'd never dream to ask for insta-spin; such an ability would allow to me to protect my weakspot too easily. Any unit who seeks to eliminate me should be angling for a flank, and it should be my highest priority to keep them from successfully getting behind me. Those who I catch should be obliterated. But when one does succeed in flanking me, I must accept my death. This is the only to justify my massive HP reserves and DPS.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5711	Posted - 2014.12.10 13:41:00 - [87] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: If I were 1,500HP Sentinel with a 900 DPS weapon, I'd expect my back to be my weakspot. I'd never dream to ask for insta-spin; such an ability would allow to me to protect my weakspot too easily. Any unit who seeks to eliminate me should be angling for a flank, and it should be my highest priority to keep them from successfully getting behind me. Those who I catch should be obliterated. But when one does succeed in flanking me, I must accept my death. This is the only to justify my massive HP reserves and DPS. It doesn't balance out, unfortunately. What happens when you have a turn speed penalty on a CQC weapon is you always lose to the person who simply orbits around you and shoots you in the side of the head. Literally the only people you can kill are the lemmings who run at you firing in a straight line or stand still. turn speed penalties can work to balance a ranged weapon so that while it is a beast at range, the instant you get into CQC you can strafe around it shooting it in the side of the head. Just don't let him get a bead on you before you hit 20m. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 13706	Posted - 2014.12.10 13:47:00 - [88] - Quote Or, ya know, give it the 10% damage nerf that all rifles got before people started complaining about the HMG? Does no one really see the obvious correlation here? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 278	Posted - 2014.12.10 13:49:00 - [89] - Quote You go down wind of any assault based rifle around 60-70m in a heavy suit and then say that crap :/ G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
xavier zor Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 371	Posted - 2014.12.10 13:51:00 - [90] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: As opposed to scout where all you have to do is strafe? wow just...you need to aim. To slay in a scout suit, and slay anything, you need to strafe and aim. My to-do list when i return to dust: Logi my own way to an OB, and never use the cloak on my minja! And have some ISK!



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