Statistically, shouldn't I be assigned to the team that will win FW 50% of the time?

While I have finished in the top 3 every FW battle, the teams that I have been assigned to have lost 19 out of 20 battles.

That defies the statistical chance that I should be assigned to the winning team and I suspect something is very fishy about the way we are placed on teams.

@Devs, can you provide some transparency on the exact details of how we are assigned to teams during match making. I need this information in order to alter how I am placed on teams, as your algorithm almost always assigns me to the losing FW team.

@FW teams that I have been assigned to, I hate you. You suck. You suck. Do something useful. Stop waiting out thte match in the redline and go capture an objective. Jeez Louise.

Statistically, shouldn't I be assigned to the team that will win FW 50% of the time?

While I have finished in the top 3 every FW battle, the teams that I have been assigned to have lost 19 out of 20 battles.

That defies the statistical chance that I should be assigned to the winning team and I suspect something is very fishy about the way we are placed on teams.

@Devs, can you provide some transparency on the exact details of how we are assigned to teams during match making. I need this information in order to alter how I am placed on teams, as your algorithm almost always assigns me to the losing FW team.

@FW teams that I have been assigned to, I hate you. You suck. You suck. Do something useful. Stop waiting out thte match in the redline and go capture an objective. Jeez Louise.

You should be assigned to the team you decide to deploy with.

I thought the algorithm was that there isn't an algorithm. We don't have enough players for any algorithm to actually work... I thought they trashed all that back in 1.6 when pub matches were taking 5 minutes to start and would often start with only 1-4 players on each team...

It would be cool if we had CAPTAINS that would choose from the available searching players, like CAPTAINS choosing dodgeball teams in gym class.

I just can't explain my FW team losses probabilistically. It is confounding me. There has to be some finicky CCP algorithm driving this sadistic match making process.

first yyour odds are only 50% if its a damn coin flip, but its not its a game where you have to doo something to win so nope no 50% odds for you.

there is NO matchmaking in faction warfare, NONE, its bring a whole team with you or lose.

speaking of wich your losing becuase your not bringing at the very least a full squad, theres usually on in squad finder to join for any givin faction.

your losing because the other team is que sinqing and your running around solo with an inability to do math or realise the enamy team always seems to have 12 of the same people on it every game.

If the enemy team is queue synching, then shouldn't matchmaking put squads of equal sizes on opposite teams? If squads are divvied out equally per team, then it essentially becomes a coin flip with a 50% chance of being assigned to the team with the advantage.

If queue synched squads end up on the same team and the opposing team doesn't have any squads, isn't that a huge flaw with match making?

I want the algorithm on how match making is handled so that I can do everything in my power to change my odds of ending up on the losing team.

Thanks.

I think that all the Matchmaking works off Mu.

It's basically a W/L counter, ala chess.

I'm certain that Pubs run that, but I'm not so certain about FW. It could just be a first come first serve basis in FW.

I think that all the Matchmaking works off Mu.

It's basically a W/L counter, ala chess.

I'm certain that Pubs run that, but I'm not so certain about FW. It could just be a first come first serve basis in FW.

FACTION WARFARE DOES NOT HAVE MATCHMAKING

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You are wrong because two teams end up playing each other comprised of assorted individuals and squads. That implies some match making process being used to build the teams. Whether or not the algorithm places agents based on some calculated weight is another question.

If there is no rhym or reason to the agent placement within a team, then why is my FW experience many standard deviations away from the statistical norm, which would suggest about a 50% success rate?

I want to know how the teams are constructed, weighted or not.

a 50% sucess rate only applys to a RANDOM outcome.

as if win and lose were binary.

winning isnt random and therefore you wont win 50% of the time. statistical norms only function in that manner when the outcome is randomly decided.

setup one build amaar team from first 16 people in line...

squad 3 people
solo
solo
solo
squad 6 people
squad 5 people (error too many people on team A )
-removes squad 5 people
solo
solo
solo
solo


there thats how it builds a frigging team. the ONLY thing it conciiders is weather or not the team has exactly 16 people iin it.

if it has less than 16 then it add the next person (or squad) in line

if it has more than 16 people then it removes the last thing it added

if it has exactly 16 peopel then it starts the match


FW is for organised teams. your loosing more than 50% of the time becuas your not bringing your own organised team.

You seem a little bit emotional in your response.

It is a 50% probability.

50% my team will be built in such a way that they have an advantage.
50% the opposing team will be built in such a way that they have an advantage.

Statistically, shouldn't I be assigned to the team that will win FW 50% of the time?

While I have finished in the top 3 every FW battle, the teams that I have been assigned to have lost 19 out of 20 battles.

That defies the statistical chance that I should be assigned to the winning team and I suspect something is very fishy about the way we are placed on teams.

@Devs, can you provide some transparency on the exact details of how we are assigned to teams during match making. I need this information in order to alter how I am placed on teams, as your algorithm almost always assigns me to the losing FW team.

@FW teams that I have been assigned to, I hate you. You suck. You suck. Do something useful. Stop waiting out thte match in the redline and go capture an objective. Jeez Louise.

nope

where are you getting 50% from? becuase from my perspective


5% chance of you buildinng your team in a way that gives you an advantage
95% chance of me building MY team in a way that gives me an advantage

i noow have a 95% chance to win


in faction war YOU BUILD YOUR OWN TEAM, sure you can rely on random to do it, but the enamy team doesnt as they can get 16 people into the same game at will and all be communicating with each other.


its not random in the slightest, i can pick and choose all 16 members of my team if i wish, meaning im building that dvantage into my team on purpose whereas your waiting for that advantagee to be randomly handed to you, lowing your odds of winning below 50%

IT IS NOT RANDOM!

you lose becuasse im hand picking my entire team and you are choseing to take the first 15 other people that want to play

first yyour odds are only 50% if its a damn coin flip, but its not its a game where you have to doo something to win so nope no 50% odds for you.

there is NO matchmaking in faction warfare, NONE, its bring a whole team with you or lose.

speaking of wich your losing becuase your not bringing at the very least a full squad, theres usually on in squad finder to join for any givin faction.

your losing because the other team is que sinqing and your running around solo with an inability to do math or realise the enamy team always seems to have 12 of the same people on it every game.

Statistically, shouldn't I be assigned to the team that will win FW 50% of the time?

While I have finished in the top 3 every FW battle, the teams that I have been assigned to have lost 19 out of 20 battles.

That defies the statistical chance that I should be assigned to the winning team and I suspect something is very fishy about the way we are placed on teams.

@Devs, can you provide some transparency on the exact details of how we are assigned to teams during match making. I need this information in order to alter how I am placed on teams, as your algorithm almost always assigns me to the losing FW team.

@FW teams that I have been assigned to, I hate you. You suck. You suck. Do something useful. Stop waiting out thte match in the redline and go capture an objective. Jeez Louise.

It is a 50% probability.

50% my team will be built in such a way that they have an advantage.
50% the opposing team will be built in such a way that they have an advantage.

No, it isn't a 50% probability. 'Matchmaking' in faction warfare is not set up to generate matches where people have roughly a 50% chance of winning or losing as there is no 'true matchmaking' for faction warfare. Also, all the logical fallacies, especially ones like gamblers fallacy.

^You only perceive it to be this way because you do not understand the way that faction warfare works. There is no equal chance that your team will have organized squads. In fact if you are running solo it is LESS likely that your team will have organized squads and MORE likely that you'll get randoms.

Lets use what we know to be true. 1) You have already picked your side for faction warfare 2) There is no 'true' matchmaking, it is first come first serve aside from where it ineracts with 3) Faction warfare prefers to grab squads as opposed to individuals.

So building a theoretical pool of players for Cal vs Gal, and starting out at 'zero' time.

1) First check
Gal queue: 8 unsquadded players
Cal queue: 3 unsquadded.
Result : Not enough to generate match

2)Second check 1 second later
Gal queue: 6man squad enters queue, 8 unsquadded players
Cal queue: 1x 5man enters queue, 3 more unsquadded.
Result: Still not enough to generate match.

3)Third check 1 second later
Gal queue: +1 6man and +1 4man squads enter queue, bringing us to 16 squadded (6, 6, 4) and 8 unsquadded
Cal Queue: 5man squad + 3 unsquadded.
Result: Still not enough to generate match.

4)Fourth check 1 second later
Gal : More squads enter queue bringing it to 6 6 6 6 4 & 8 unsquadded
Cal: 6 man + 5man enter queue alongside the existing 5 man, 3 unsquadded still in queue.
Result: Takes the full caldari and gallente squads and matches them up based on order of entry. 6 6 & 8 unsquadded still in gallente, 3 unsquadded still in caldari. more people still sitting in queue.

Etc etc etc etc.

^Extrapolate from what other people have told you.

Faction warfare prefers squads. There is no checks for 'balance' in its 'matchmaking'. Mu cannot be used to balance as you have already determined which team you want to play for.

You do not have a 50:50 chance of winning a faction warfare chance ever. Currently the best way to win is to grab up 15 friends, organize them into squads, get them on voice comms and exploit the currently broken by design system.

There is an equal chance that someone on either side is doing this ^^^^^^^^

No, there isn't. That is a logical fallacy. Even if there was it grabs the first people who were in the queue, so you could have 10 million unsquadded badasses queue up for the caldari behind the 16 cacti and it would still be the unsquadded cacti playing the unsquadded gallente badasses.

Essentially by your logic you are attributing that there is a 50/50 chance that ANYTHING will or wont happen, when that is not the case at all.

Life must be a magical place for idiots, it's a never ending sequence of things that seemingly happen by complete magic.