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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19856
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:19:00 -
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Clone D wrote: I agree, but I was trying out the mode because of the FW event. Is that okay with you?
Of course.
But it is unreasonable to try it, lose a few matches, and then declare that there must be a problem with the matchmaking and obstinately insist on it despite the reasons behind the uneven teams being repeatedly explained.
The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
949
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Clone D wrote:True Adamance wrote:Forming up is a natural part of organised gameplay and it doesn't nearly take 20 minutes in FW to do.
PC groups nowadays, and even back when I did PC used to form up and hour before battles and just talk tactics, fits, and other junk. That is fine for some. To me it is just a waste of time, so I avoid waiting around on people and listening to the blather. Don't forget, not everyone plays the game for the same reasons, or feels rewarded by the same aspects as you do. Then it is quite simple - do not play a gamemode with a greater emphasis on organisation and teamwork if you want to just play solo. Indeed. You are taking up a spot on a team that would be better suited for a squadded player.
It's Dust guys. I can do anything I want to all day long. I can request things from Devs. I can sabotage teams. I can send you 500 million ISK. I can do anything I want to all day long. I could join the winning FW factions. I could wait to queue synch. I could run solo. I can do anything I want to all day long.
ISK Trader
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19856
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:23:00 -
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Clone D wrote: It's Dust guys. I can do anything I want to all day long. I can request things from Devs. I can sabotage teams. I can send you 500 million ISK. I can do anything I want to all day long. I could join the winning FW factions. I could wait to queue synch. I could run solo. I can do anything I want to all day long.
Equally, we are free to tell you how bad you are when you complain that you are losing for it.
The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
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Clone D
Grundstein Automation
949
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:23:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Clone D wrote: I agree, but I was trying out the mode because of the FW event. Is that okay with you?
Of course. But it is unreasonable to try it, lose a few matches, and then declare that there must be a problem with the matchmaking and obstinately insist on it despite the reasons behind the uneven teams being repeatedly explained.
You certainly have a way of exagerating things and adding emotional weight to everything you say. Try being objective. You might make a friend instead of sounding like a royal highness, princess.
ISK Trader
channel: blitz
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15474
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:26:00 -
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Clone D wrote:True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Clone D wrote:True Adamance wrote:Forming up is a natural part of organised gameplay and it doesn't nearly take 20 minutes in FW to do.
PC groups nowadays, and even back when I did PC used to form up and hour before battles and just talk tactics, fits, and other junk. That is fine for some. To me it is just a waste of time, so I avoid waiting around on people and listening to the blather. Don't forget, not everyone plays the game for the same reasons, or feels rewarded by the same aspects as you do. Then it is quite simple - do not play a gamemode with a greater emphasis on organisation and teamwork if you want to just play solo. Indeed. You are taking up a spot on a team that would be better suited for a squadded player. It's Dust guys. I can do anything I want to all day long. I can request things from Devs. I can sabotage teams. I can send you 500 million ISK. I can do anything I want to all day long. I could join the winning FW factions. I could wait to queue synch. I could run solo. I can do anything I want to all day long.
Yes you can...... and it wouldn't matter in Dust 514 if we used a more EVE side model which would suggest that it doesn't matter if you are there or not, or if you jeopardise militia ops, etc. Militia could self regulate.
Again this wouldn't matter if organised groups were able to select there planets and regions ultimately taking them out of the standard solo rotations that way you could queue for your 50% Win/Loss Battles and I could go to the places Dusters are actually needed.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
19856
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:26:00 -
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Princess? You insult me. I am much closer to the queen of the forums.
Glory to my truly astounding amazingness, etc.
The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15474
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Princess? You insult me. I am much closer to the queen of the forums.
Glory to my truly astounding amazingness, etc.
With the authority of the Empress, and considering Arkena is an Amarrian spy, I declare her/him High Royal Princess of Wisecracks and Smart Arse Comments!
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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Ice Royal Glantix
Horizons' Edge Proficiency V.
35
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:10:00 -
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that you are either fighting for the Caldari or the Amarr. Based of of this assumtion, I can explain why you are experiencing these results.
At the moment, and for the past few months, highly skilled players have been, and still are, squading up and fighting for the Minmatar and/or the Gallente simply because they like the gear in those factions. Due to these squads of elite players playing on the Minmatar and Gallente sides, the Caldari and Amarr players have been stomped over and over again, which is incredibly demoralizing. Now that this has happened repeatedly, most people who play for Caldari or Amarr don't try to win, as they know it is most likely futile. They either afk or spawn in cheap gear to minimize losses; This allows the Minmatar and Gallente players to go all out as they probably will not die much.
It doesn't matter how good you are, the people who play for Amarr and Caldari are almost always useless. There is nothing you can do to help this if you are going to play solo. FW is a game mode for organized squads, so you can't expect you to make a difference all by your self.
If you want to win FW there are two options. Squad up and queue sync, and/or play for Minmatar/Gallente.
"Don't be dead; be happy!"
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15479
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:18:00 -
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Ice Royal Glantix wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that you are either fighting for the Caldari or the Amarr. Based of of this assumtion, I can explain why you are experiencing these results.
At the moment, and for the past few months, highly skilled players have been, and still are, squading up and fighting for the Minmatar and/or the Gallente simply because they like the gear in those factions. Due to these squads of elite players playing on the Minmatar and Gallente sides, the Caldari and Amarr players have been stomped over and over again, which is incredibly demoralizing. Now that this has happened repeatedly, most people who play for Caldari or Amarr don't try to win, as they know it is most likely futile. They either afk or spawn in cheap gear to minimize losses; This allows the Minmatar and Gallente players to go all out as they probably will not die much.
It doesn't matter how good you are, the people who play for Amarr and Caldari are almost always useless. There is nothing you can do to help this if you are going to play solo. FW is a game mode for organized squads, so you can't expect you to make a difference all by your self.
If you want to win FW there are two options. Squad up and queue sync, and/or play for Minmatar/Gallente.
Hmmmm that debatable. This is just the nature of FW.
A couple of months ago The Amarr were comparatively walking all over the Minmatar. We had more Syncs running, more players active, more LP rolling in.
Kaisar gets his channel organised, a couple more corps farming for the Minmatar and bobs your uncle you have a stronger Min FW force.
Couple of weeks or months from now you might seen more corps queuing for the Amarr, PCLAS might deploy again and run more Syncs out of our channel, Deezy might open up Amarr 1 to the public again, and bam we have a more powerful force.
Just the nature of the game.
Tbh right not I am on FW hiatus from Dust and focusing on EVE where the Amarr are about the take the whole warzone.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
660
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:33:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:FW doesn't have a match making process as far as I am aware. It's just the first 16 or so players who Q-Sync and the first opposing groups of players looking for a fight....which is why Q-Syncing is such a powerful strategy.
Nor should FW imo really have anything more than player made match making in the form of specific planets and systems to be targeted..... if any player attempts to deploy to one of these FW zones where organised groups are engaging in region specific fighting they are asking to have their asses handed to them because there are literally 70 other systems they could be fighting in.
I don't think that's how it works. I will select all factions and sync solo and still end up waiting 3-5 minutes at times. So either the game tries to hamfist squads together and then lets solo players in to fill the gaps (Which I think is what happens) or only 96 people play FW at any given time making me have to wait for a match to end. Which also may very well be the case I suppose... since FW really isn't all that beneficial to anyone Dust side although I'm not sure if it matters Eve side either? I don't know much about Eve other then its full of nerd lord douchebaggery that makes Forbes journalists cream their pants. (because it's easier then trying to regulate the game! errr.... I mean because CCP believes in free choice for players!) |
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
15480
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:38:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:True Adamance wrote:FW doesn't have a match making process as far as I am aware. It's just the first 16 or so players who Q-Sync and the first opposing groups of players looking for a fight....which is why Q-Syncing is such a powerful strategy.
Nor should FW imo really have anything more than player made match making in the form of specific planets and systems to be targeted..... if any player attempts to deploy to one of these FW zones where organised groups are engaging in region specific fighting they are asking to have their asses handed to them because there are literally 70 other systems they could be fighting in. I don't think that's how it works. I will select all factions and sync solo and still end up waiting 3-5 minutes at times. So either the game tries to hamfist squads together and then lets solo players in to fill the gaps (Which I think is what happens) or only 96 people play FW at any given time making me have to wait for a match to end. Which also may very well be the case I suppose...
All I want to be able to do is target specific planets and systems my alliance and militia want's plexing bonuses in.
If anyone attempts to join us in that system enemy or otherwise they'd better be ******* ready to fight and not start whining later. They had their chance to choose one of 69 other systems to fight in.
*"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
2193
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:41:00 -
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Ice Royal Glantix wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but I assume that you are either fighting for the Caldari or the Amarr. Based of of this assumtion, I can explain why you are experiencing these results.
At the moment, and for the past few months, highly skilled players have been, and still are, squading up and fighting for the Minmatar and/or the Gallente simply because they like the gear in those factions. Due to these squads of elite players playing on the Minmatar and Gallente sides, the Caldari and Amarr players have been stomped over and over again, which is incredibly demoralizing. Now that this has happened repeatedly, most people who play for Caldari or Amarr don't try to win, as they know it is most likely futile. They either afk or spawn in cheap gear to minimize losses; This allows the Minmatar and Gallente players to go all out as they probably will not die much.
It doesn't matter how good you are, the people who play for Amarr and Caldari are almost always useless. There is nothing you can do to help this if you are going to play solo. FW is a game mode for organized squads, so you can't expect you to make a difference all by your self.
If you want to win FW there are two options. Squad up and queue sync, and/or play for Minmatar/Gallente. Yeah...
Armor is still hot (will always be hot; even if it lacks regen, that buffer just makes it sweet, both to old and new), and The Minny Combat Rifle is a very good All-Round gun, so I don't see anything changing, unless people suddenly migrate to shields or to ScRs.
The RR is still considered UP (I do fine, but whatever...), Shields are a more complicated thing then Armor to play, and the Lasers are not liked as much as Projectiles or hybrids for infantry, as more people like Armor for its ease of play, and its increased buffer, making lasers even weaker against them.
Those make it less appealing to play FacWar for those guys. If I play, and get crap for my burden, then why did I play? It leaves it to just FWers and those with a hard on for a certain race. Gal And Min FacWar has very fruitful and general Rewards, making them good for then one a single race. Plates are always a good thing.
So more people then play for them, so they get better loot for their trouble.
I Live for Tears
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1558
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:47:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Statistically, shouldn't I be assigned to the team that will win FW 50% of the time?
While I have finished in the top 3 every FW battle, the teams that I have been assigned to have lost 19 out of 20 battles.
That defies the statistical chance that I should be assigned to the winning team and I suspect something is very fishy about the way we are placed on teams.
@Devs, can you provide some transparency on the exact details of how we are assigned to teams during match making. I need this information in order to alter how I am placed on teams, as your algorithm almost always assigns me to the losing FW team.
@FW teams that I have been assigned to, I hate you. You suck. You suck. Do something useful. Stop waiting out thte match in the redline and go capture an objective. Jeez Louise.
Whaaat,
time for fact checks:
Matchmaking does NOT use Mu, only team balancing does.
Faction warfare does NOT use normal matchmaking nor team balancing as people select their sides and will queue for that and only that.
The more skilled+organised side has a better chance of winning.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
660
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Posted - 2014.12.05 01:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:True Adamance wrote:FW doesn't have a match making process as far as I am aware. It's just the first 16 or so players who Q-Sync and the first opposing groups of players looking for a fight....which is why Q-Syncing is such a powerful strategy.
Nor should FW imo really have anything more than player made match making in the form of specific planets and systems to be targeted..... if any player attempts to deploy to one of these FW zones where organised groups are engaging in region specific fighting they are asking to have their asses handed to them because there are literally 70 other systems they could be fighting in. I don't think that's how it works. I will select all factions and sync solo and still end up waiting 3-5 minutes at times. So either the game tries to hamfist squads together and then lets solo players in to fill the gaps (Which I think is what happens) or only 96 people play FW at any given time making me have to wait for a match to end. Which also may very well be the case I suppose... All I want to be able to do is target specific planets and systems my alliance and militia want's plexing bonuses in. If anyone attempts to join us in that system enemy or otherwise they'd better be ******* ready to fight and not start whining later. They had their chance to choose one of 69 other systems to fight in.
I'm all for expanded gameplay so hell yeah, they should get on that. That's one thing this game severly lacks. Context in which anything really matters. As it stands its mostly just a cross between Battlefield and Counter Strike where you get to keep all the money you earn to spend on better gear between matches. And of course the whole grindy rpg sp thing.
As cool as it is to have some new maps for the only 3 game modes we have I'd love to see the Dust road map include more diversity. With the upcoming addition of dailies I'm hoping they will add contextual quest like additions to the dailies to make players feel more like mercenaries and less like temp workers bouncing around all these Eve NPC corps.
And I get that the ps3 just absolutely will not support Dust with more than 32 players but how about some new game modes and smaller maps for lower player count matches? Like some of those Eve ships being the setting of some 8 player free for alls in the context of a mutiny on the ship or space stations being the location of 6 v 6 squad contract disputes.How about giving us custom matches where you can earn SP but can't earn isk unless its offered by the match creator. This would allow players to set up there own tournaments, corp tryouts, training missions, friendly or unfriendly competition between corporations/squads , 1v1 me bruh moments, and so on. Maybe then squadding won't be bitched about as much since solo players will have some game mode options that exclude squadding while squads will be able to play matches with each other without having to q-sync. Let us self regulate CCP it's not like the Dust economy matters with all the district locking and billions of clone isk that flooded from such things.
They don't even have to re invent the wheel many other fps games have interesting game modes that would work in Dust and also diversify the monotony. Everyone bitches so much about q-syncing pub stomps and FW because that's all we can do besides walk around in our quarters. |
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