You might not but a lot of other people are spamming equipment. I've deployed in pubs where there are 5 links in the spawn. I mean, wtf

Bandwidth prevents role tourists from spawning in a logi fitting to spam deployables, then swap to an HMG sentinel and go 30-0 while raking in thousands of WP's from uplink spam.

Love bandwidth. I welcome this change with open arms.

[Didn't read the entire thread, just the OP]

This argument is void.

People will just build slayer logi fits, spam their equip and swap out to slayer logi. The effect of bandwidth does not stop spam and slam.

Essentially, they are still a tourist at heart.

To accomplish what the intent is, all deployed equipment would have to disappear when the merc changes out of the current dropsuit.

But the practical reality is that due to the lack of people who actually have any battlefield knowhow, teams as a whole will have even less support from the more advanced soldiers who in the past have carried crippled teams through a tough match.

Bandwidth will exacerbate protostomps.

And what you dont seem to get is that these changes will NOT fix that. Lets say for some god forsaken reason I feel like being a subservient repair logi. Does a repair tool use bandwidth? No. So that means I can deploy NINE nanohives around a supply depot with a proto Cal and then go on repping with no consequence.

Then, minutes later, a pro squad full of assualts and scouts is going to pass by, and guess what? They can also drop equipment. Lets say they each drop a piece of equipment each. Thats 9+6 = 15 pieces of equipment around a supply depot. All from part timers.

Meanwhile, the real logis, like me, Clone, Operator, ect arent pulling as much weight as we used to, and are settling on the bare minimum. Since im forced to wear a protosuit...Am I going to risk deploying that last uplink in a sweet spot at a neglected objective? Or am i going to take my expensive suit back to the red line for a sniper rifle?

The way things are right now, before the patch, I can also drop proxy mines to ensnare that heavy in a LAV hats been going around HMGing people. After the patch though, hes your problem, as im not allowed to deal with him. People who spent their entire Dust life in a squad and who call down orbitals on people in their redline calling in dropships....are here saying that I need a nerf cause its unfair that 1 person can be effective.

So not much changes, and what does change will be for the worst. You will still have spam, part timers/tourists can still carry equipment and drop it needlessly. There will still be Sentinels sitting on dozens of hives. The only thing that changes is that if a match is unbalanced, there wont be people like me anymore losing suit after suit trying to get my team back in it. Instead, the stompers can camp the red line, the newbs in the MCC, ill be redline sniping somehwere in AK.0 suit I cant afford to lose telling myself "This is what they asked for".

Random drivel

How hard is it to perform the logistics function and drop a piece of equipment where it is needed? Now if I want to perform that role, then I am punished and I must remain in a used up dropsuit for the remainder of the match, or as long as I want my equipment to persist. Logistics is a very simple unstimulating non-combat role, however when the team is not performing the role, somebody needs to step up and do it. If I identify that need, then, under bandwidth, I am constrained to that simpleton's role until the need has been met. You can forget that.

The problem becomes demoralization. If I'm already on a team that sucks and now I have to play a role that I find boring for the rest of the match, why play the game at all? Logistics isn't fun to most, which is why good support is lacking in many many matches. It's something we do and then move on to the fun parts of the battle. Ever been in a match where nobody has deployed uplinks at all. That happens to me like 90% of the time, and I tell myself, "I hate my team" and then I go deploy uplinks so that we can have safe spawn points. Somebody has to do it in order to improve strategic positioning.

Now I will be stuck on a team of useless retards and stuck in a useless non-combat suit until I am satisfied that my actions have made a significant impact.

Who cares about what happens in EVE?

Bandwidth in EVE so Bandwidth in Dust......Really?

Lets see spaceships that cannot be switched, rarely get destroyed, cost alot vs disposable solders?

oh yes I see the similarities.

AS BW is going to be deployed I do not like

Insults Logis
Because he has to be one
In order to farm WP, like he could before.
Still doesn't understand concept of bandwidth
Keeps complaining.

Post BW, one can still build a slayer logi to swap into after deploying equipment. That will obviate the loss of expensive equipment modules if the slayer fitting dies.

Essentially the slayer logi will be 'overpowered' having the ability to deploy equipment and then go kill.

If you are going logi then you are there to support your squad/team. Follow the assaults, commandos, and sentinels. You can provide fire support (kill assists mostly), sure, but you are there to provide ammo, repair armor, scan down hostiles, etc.

Who will deploy the proxy fields? Who will deploy the uplinks? Either tankers, pilots or slayer logis.

THE SLAYER LOGIS.

This bandwidth nonsense doesn't seem to come from us.

It seems like some scheme dreamed up by CCP and they are saying it is by popular demand.

I don't want it.

Say good bye to the super soldier who can carry a worthless team to victory.

OUR TEAM SIZE OF 16 IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR BANDWIDTH TO MAKE SENSE!!!!!!!

This may come as a HUGE shock, but the assault, scout, and commando dropsuits all have equipment slots too. I run advanced uplinks on my Amarr assault fitting constantly; two uplinks active at a time, reduced spawn times, 15 spawns per. It's not just up to logis to deploy equipment. Others can help.

No matter how many times you say it, it still isn't a thing

Who will deploy the proxy fields? Who will deploy the uplinks? Either tankers, pilots or slayer logis.

You gotta do what you gotta do. Nobody will want to run around in a used up dropsuit after deploying a minefield or uplinks, especially not to get kill assists. They will make THE SLAYER LOGIS.

And what you dont seem to get is that these changes will NOT fix that. Lets say for some god forsaken reason I feel like being a subservient repair logi. Does a repair tool use bandwidth? No. So that means I can deploy NINE nanohives around a supply depot with a proto Cal and then go on repping with no consequence.

So not much changes, and what does change will be for the worst. You will still have spam, part timers/tourists can still carry equipment and drop it needlessly. There will still be Sentinels sitting on dozens of hives. The only thing that changes is that if a match is unbalanced, there wont be people like me anymore losing suit after suit trying to get my team back in it. Instead, the stompers can camp the red line, the newbs in the MCC, ill be redline sniping somehwere in AK.0 suit I cant afford to lose telling myself "This is what they asked for".

I doubt you even know what a slayer logi was. If you can set up an effective slayer logi with any suit show us what it would look like in your next post. Now remember that you need to out gun all level of Scouts, Assaults, and don't for get the heavy you used to help.

Since I know your going to use a proto logi of your particular flavor please include a comparison of your flavor of logi and a proto assault suit of the same flavor IE Min Logi vs Min Assault.

Something like

Suit Bonus
Shileds
Armor
Shield recharge
Armor Repair
DPS

All that matters is that the slayer logi suit has no assigned equipment, and is built to suit the particular mercenary's battle needs. It will be relatively preferable to running around in a suit with 0 equipment left in the equipment slots to avoid $$$ lost for dying in a suit with equipment assigned to it.

I slay with militia gear and standard gear all of the time. Don't tell me that a slayer fit has to be built one particular way. It's different for each person, to match their play style.

There used to be Killer Bee's, there will never be again because of the suit changes made a long time ago.

It won't be the same as it was before because the game has undergone sundry changes since then.

Time will tell what people choose to do.

equipment spam? i raise you 300 WP cost solo FLUX OB. they are gonna get abused AS smeg...
so it will mean bandwidth changes will be goddamn useless and unnessesary

Bandwidth has been around a long time as an idea.

It is going to change the way the game is played, but for the better. People will need to be more strategic with uplink placement, and logis will be needed more.

All that matters... Don't tell me that a slayer fit has to be built one particular way..

Challenge declined apparently. ...

Bandwidth has been around a long time as an idea.

It is going to change the way the game is played, but for the better. People will need to be more strategic with uplink placement, and logis will be needed more.

But the practical reality is that due to the lack of people who actually have any battlefield knowhow, teams as a whole will have even less support from the more advanced soldiers who in the past have carried crippled teams through a tough match.

Bandwidth will exacerbate protostomps.

For people who fail to see the point, this is what people will do to compensate for bandwidth constraints:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2501715#post2501715

Here's an excerpt:

1. Build a slayer logi without deployable equipment.
2. Build a repper logi without deployable equipment.
3. Build a point defense logi without deployable equipment.
4. Build a suppression logi without deployable equipment.
5. Build a hacker logi without deployable equipment.
6. Build a close range assault logi without deployable equipment.
7. Build a mid range assault logi without deployable equipment.
8. Build a long range assault logi without deployable equipment.
9. Build an AV logi without deployable equipment.
10. etc. logi without deployable equipment.

I have already started doing this, because what are you supposed to do after you deploy a proxy field? Sit around and wait for a tank to come by and explode so you can finally go change fittings?