Bandwidth has been around a long time as an idea.

It is going to change the way the game is played, but for the better. People will need to be more strategic with uplink placement, and logis will be needed more.

The bandwidth idea has been around for a long time as far as I can remember before CCP Rattati brought it up. I like the idea as well and I'm also cross-training into logistics.

Eve Online players have to deal with bandwidth as well for operating their drones. It's an old concept that is brought into Dust to eliminate the spamming of equipment. I hate seeing equipment spammed around supply depots, spammed all over a city, and stupidly placed in a random spot without thinking it through.

This bandwidth feature will force players to finally think carefully on where to place their equipment, get rid of equipment spam is ruining frame rates, and give logis a stronger role due to their inherent bandwidth advantage over all other suits. This will also ensure that scouts no longer dominate as light-logis.

CCP Rattati, in the following link, said that as long as you spawn in with the suit with the same bandwidth or class, you won't lose the deployed equipment.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181490

If you are the only person in the team that has any gun game at all, then there is no hope for your team.

PS: The team is suppose to work together for victory. A single solo player was never meant to win the match for the rest of the team.

Which is why many of us want Scotty fired.

Spawning as a Scout or Logistics, throwing Uplinks everywhere, and swapping to a different suit such as a Sentinel is simply too powerful. Let's take a look at two different play styles of the Support Logistics and the Sentinel.

*Sentinel: Heavily armored, moves slowly. Has the highest DPS in the game with a weapon that has short to medium range. Primarily meant for point defense or for attacking a specific location to break into the enemy's base.
*Logistics: Weaker armor than that of the Assault, slower movement. Faster than the Sentinel but has FAR less HP and FAR less DPS. They carry additional equipment to help their team. In short, they give up a lot to have those extra equipment.

Now imagine the balance nightmare of a Sentinel that dropped 2 Uplinks and 4 Triage Nanohives. You have a Sentinel that is no different than a Logistics really. In short, you would be doing two roles at the same time that need to be made completely separate. It lets the developers begin balancing things from there.

I don't really follow the idea of "I am Superman; I need to be able to put Uplinks because my team is worthless!" So many people have said the same thing that with our very small community it is likely that several Superman are on the same team. You can still run in with your Scout to drop Uplinks to help your team get back from the Redline. I don't see how "I need to be able to do everything!" is an acceptable argument against this change. Remember that it affects your opponents too. If they all go Sentinel to hold off a push, no more Uplinks.

It will be a different kind of game. I don't see it being the end of the world or any kind of hyperbole.

Ok, now you're just throwing around wild claims. You're not helping your cause here with this.

Ultimately, that's a fault in teamwork. A man is a part of a team, he cannot be a team.

Thats the issue w/ it before. A single man could spawn a logi, drop equipment, then switch to a heavy or assault and then wreck the opposing team. Not Teamwork.

Support and Combat won't be mutually exclusive. Just because you lack the foresight to fit the equipment you want on your suit doesn't mean that this sin't a good idea. I run w/ hives or needles on my assault. I compromised, but it worked. And it still will. You wont play one man bandstand, but you can still have the capacity to provide support.

/sigh

If my team gets redlined, I will NOT be depending on a logi to try to sneak across the enemy. Sneaking is a scout's job, not a logi's. All I need is 2 of my R-9 uplinks deployed using an ADV scout with cloak (cloaks don't have BW cost) and my team is good to sneak in behind the enemy. Trying to use a Logi to sneak through is like trying to break into a house in the dead of night while rattling a bunch of cow bells for everyone to hear.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nz-J9Hn9KHcx_b3iG1Q9egQMzWm9LUUzeZxZNC-mu-Q/edit#gid=471840307

If blueberries make you mad, replace them.

Run full squads of 6. This game isn't meant to be solo'd.

The reason why there is proto stomps is because of a few things:

1.) Not a big enough playerbase to truly separate all the players by skill. You will get stomped eventually. Get over it. Instead of whining and complaining in your solo squad, bring some friends. Level the playing field yourself.
2.) NPE does not stress squadplay enough. Personally, I think Academy matches should force people to use squad finder to play a match. Get used to using that thing blueberry. Tell them how to use comms and such.

And I'm sure some other things I'm forgetting.

Summary of this Post: BRING FRIENDS. Easiest way to eliminate 5 blueberries from your team.

It's almost as if logistics players will have to use logistics suits to provide logistics support.....

They won't be missed, gives MCRUs more of a reason to exist.

Real logis can still switch to rep / needle / scanner / hive while keeping all their equipment deployed. You have to actually make a tradeoff now.

If you hate it so much, go collect some cans, get $20, buy a psn card, and respec. No one should get to be a logistics heavy or logistics assault, they should have to be a logistics logistics, or an assault logistics who focuses less on equipment and more on killing

Tradeoffs. its a pretty simple concept

All im hearing is "I hate team support roles, but picked it up for free WP" and thus, I have no sympathy for you.

Logis who actually logi will not be harmed by this change. If we have to shake loose some low hanging fruit, so be it. Respecs are there and waiting for yiu

We should just delete Logis; give Sentinels 4 equipment slots.

MimLogi have something like 30 bandwidth, that is 7 uplinks and 1 PE, so 16ppl x 7eq + 16PE = 128 that is a lot of equipments(if all of players are logi).

Jesus man.

Man the **** up.

Only way ALL of your equipment will be affected is if you switch to a suit that has 0 Bandwith which are Sentinels and Basic Heavies.

You can still Provide uplinks and switch to any suit but keep in mind that some uplinks will get destroyed until they match the number or lower than your current suit's bandwith.

This is to stop those "Logis" to spam an area with more than 8 links and then swtich to a sentinel.

If you don't like the changes. Leave. Real Logi's won't be affected by this. Only fake logi's will.

So either HTFU or leave.

All this QQ brings joy to me nearly-extinct Logibro heart.
WE SHALL RISE AGAIN, BEGONE YOU FALSE HEATHENS!

Because there is so little squading and team work I foresee even more redline matches in our future.

Anything that reduces spam is a good change.

Yes, it is really spam. How many times have you been in games where there are 4 uplinks at a supply depot or 6 nanohives sitting at an objective? It's out of control.

This change will force players to place their equipment well and not just everywhere. I remember playing against Nyain San in a pc on the rings map. They had 8 links on one level of the rings. What is the point of 8 links around one ring other than to waste time blowing them up and lag?

Bandwidth prevents role tourists from spawning in a logi fitting to spam deployables, then swap to an HMG sentinel and go 30-0 while raking in thousands of WP's from uplink spam.

Love bandwidth. I welcome this change with open arms.

[Didn't read the entire thread, just the OP]

Insults Logis
Because he has to be one
In order to farm WP, like he could before.
Still doesn't understand concept of bandwidth
Keeps complaining.

If you are going logi then you are there to support your squad/team. Follow the assaults, commandos, and sentinels. You can provide fire support (kill assists mostly), sure, but you are there to provide ammo, repair armor, scan down hostiles, etc.

This may come as a HUGE shock, but the assault, scout, and commando dropsuits all have equipment slots too. I run advanced uplinks on my Amarr assault fitting constantly; two uplinks active at a time, reduced spawn times, 15 spawns per. It's not just up to logis to deploy equipment. Others can help.

No matter how many times you say it, it still isn't a thing

I doubt you even know what a slayer logi was. If you can set up an effective slayer logi with any suit show us what it would look like in your next post. Now remember that you need to out gun all level of Scouts, Assaults, and don't for get the heavy you used to help.

Since I know your going to use a proto logi of your particular flavor please include a comparison of your flavor of logi and a proto assault suit of the same flavor IE Min Logi vs Min Assault.

Something like

Suit Bonus
Shileds
Armor
Shield recharge
Armor Repair
DPS

There used to be Killer Bee's, there will never be again because of the suit changes made a long time ago.

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