DUST Search - Who Pushed For Bandwidth?

John Demonsbane wrote:

LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

He just called you a tourist.

I understand where Clone D is coming from, because not only do i employ some of the same tactics he does, but ive also been in a game or two where he was the top solo logi on his side and I was the one on my side, and we were battling eachother for uplink spots half the game. (I eventually lost when he finally succeeded in getting the fatal hit on me during a milita dropship duel). He is no tourist. When i do what im supposed to be doing properly, the battle can shift tides. ive seen it happen. If I can do that, and Clone D does it better, no one should underestimate the impact just because they dont agree with how he plays.

@Clone D I agree with you that its going to change things for the worse. Right now I can get the job done in a ADV logi suit. After the patch, Im going to have to use a Proto logi just to be able to do some of what I used to do. The cost is prohibitive. No way im going to risk combat in such an expensive suit. And if the enemy pushes and destroys my initial uplinks, ill be hesitant to risk the cost to go put more.

Its going to lead to alot more red line sniping. If I have to stay in a AK.0 fit all game and cant deploy anything else, I can guarantee you that suit is going to somewhere with minimal risk. No way im paying 70,000ISK to go and revive and repair people lol. Vehicles? Meh. Someone can still switch from a scout to a double sward commando and back with no penalty so its still not as viable.

So, maybe instead of scrapping it entirely, we make it based on the level of skill into the logi suit and not the suit itself? I would have no objection to that. Personally I'm going to use an APEX BPO when I need to save ISK but the "proto or nothing" arguement is quite valid.

Maybe you should suggest that instead of non-constructively shouting "this is bullsh!t, get rid of it" at everyone.

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Michael Arck 6072	Posted - 2014.12.03 09:25:00 - [61] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: The surest sign that you're winning an argument is when your opponent stops making intelligent responses and instead attacks you directly. But please, by all means, carry on :) I find it exceptionally amusing :) Whatever makes you feel like you're smarter than a sugar cookie Fiend, by all means. The funny part is, if you really thought I stopped making intelligent responses, then you prove why I called your post a special kind of stupid. If you think calling out your black and white answers to complex discussion ideals is attacking you directly, well, damn you are a special kind of stupid. Now that was a personal attack. The others were not. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1330	Posted - 2014.12.03 12:47:00 - [62] - Quote Clone D wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Bandwidth has been around a long time as an idea. It is going to change the way the game is played, but for the better. People will need to be more strategic with uplink placement, and logis will be needed more. But the practical reality is that due to the lack of people who actually have any battlefield knowhow, teams as a whole will have even less support from the more advanced soldiers who in the past have carried crippled teams through a tough match. Bandwidth will exacerbate protostomps. I think this will be a major problem as organized squads can plan their equipment usage and regular squads will even have their assigned roles while new players and solo players will get screwed further and experienced players will be confined to slaying rather than filling in all the niches. I think it is a bad idea to a problem that had an easier fix. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1330	Posted - 2014.12.03 12:56:00 - [63] - Quote [quote=DUST Fiend]It's almost as if logistics players will have to use logistics suits to provide logistics support.....[/quote and Heavies with logis will be everywhere. There will still be scouts though. Why didn't they just remove the ability to switch suits? That and the minor flux strikes would have solved the equipment spam problem. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1330	Posted - 2014.12.03 12:59:00 - [64] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: All im hearing is "I hate team support roles, but picked it up for free WP" and thus, I have no sympathy for you. Your post is a special kind of stupid because he did not say that. His post was simple to understand. I have done it. Switch to a scout suit for uplinks. Drop em. Run like hell to SD. Change. Go back to position and primary roles. Honestly, this stuff would have been great to discuss a year and a half ago. In Dust current state? No. See? The SD suit switch is the problem. If people have to suicide to make a suit change they aren't going to be willing to do it often. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1330	Posted - 2014.12.03 13:04:00 - [65] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Clone D wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Bandwidth has been around a long time as an idea. It is going to change the way the game is played, but for the better. People will need to be more strategic with uplink placement, and logis will be needed more. But the practical reality is that due to the lack of people who actually have any battlefield knowhow, teams as a whole will have even less support from the more advanced soldiers who in the past have carried crippled teams through a tough match. Bandwidth will exacerbate protostomps. As someone who has talked to a few proto stompers they're able to do so because of said spamming. Stompers will still spam equipment, they will just change the way they do it. They'll use a couple logis, a couple haeavies and two scouts. It will not be as bad but it will be relatively worse. Because, that's why.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15421	Posted - 2014.12.03 13:10:00 - [66] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: The surest sign that you're winning an argument is when your opponent stops making intelligent responses and instead attacks you directly. But please, by all means, carry on :) I find it exceptionally amusing :) Whatever makes you feel like you're smarter than a sugar cookie Fiend, by all means. The funny part is, if you really thought I stopped making intelligent responses, then you prove why I called your post a special kind of stupid. If you think calling out your black and white answers to complex discussion ideals is attacking you directly, well, damn you are a special kind of stupid. Now that was a personal attack. The others were not. You are so adorable :) Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Clone D Grundstein Automation 917	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:00:00 - [67] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: Clone D wrote: OUR TEAM SIZE OF 16 IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR BANDWIDTH TO MAKE SENSE!!!!!!! MimLogi have something like 30 bandwidth, that is 7 uplinks and 1 PE, so 16ppl x 7eq + 16PE = 128 that is a lot of equipments(if all of players are logi). That is not a practical approach. Try a statistical outlook. With only 16 people on the team, what percentage will play logi? Of those, what percentage will deploy proxies, REs, uplinks and nanohives? Of those, how many will remain in their logi suit, long enough for that equipment to remain effective? Of the equipment that is deployed, how much of it will survive the new OB strikes? hypothetically players that use logi = 25% percentage of safe uplink deployment = 50% percentage who remain in logi suit = 50% percentage of equipment that survives OB strikes = 50% 16 x 25% X 50% X 50% X 50% = 0.5 In this example, less than 1 person per team will be a logi with effective uplink deployment. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 453	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:06:00 - [68] - Quote Jesus man. Man the **** up. Only way ALL of your equipment will be affected is if you switch to a suit that has 0 Bandwith which are Sentinels and Basic Heavies. You can still Provide uplinks and switch to any suit but keep in mind that some uplinks will get destroyed until they match the number or lower than your current suit's bandwith. This is to stop those "Logis" to spam an area with more than 8 links and then swtich to a sentinel. If you don't like the changes. Leave. Real Logi's won't be affected by this. Only fake logi's will. So either HTFU or leave. I want to build a shrine of Rattati and put it in my closet and throw money at it every day
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1205	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:08:00 - [69] - Quote Z3dog wrote: By popular demand they mean large portions of forum warriors had a knee jerk reaction in favor of one of the first serious proposals that promised to implement a mechanism that would eliminate equipment spam. Absolutely could not have been said any better.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2826	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:09:00 - [70] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Bandwidth has been around a long time as an idea. It is going to change the way the game is played, but for the better. People will need to be more strategic with uplink placement, and logis will be needed more. My issue is it takes a baseball bat to proximity mines. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15421	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:18:00 - [71] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Bandwidth has been around a long time as an idea. It is going to change the way the game is played, but for the better. People will need to be more strategic with uplink placement, and logis will be needed more. My issue is it takes a baseball bat to proximity mines, which don't contribute to lag in any significant way. But proxies can slowly have their bandwidth lowered to allow more of them on the field at once Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my YouTube WoD 514
Clone D Grundstein Automation 917	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:19:00 - [72] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Jesus man. Man the **** up. Only way ALL of your equipment will be affected is if you switch to a suit that has 0 Bandwith which are Sentinels and Basic Heavies. You can still Provide uplinks and switch to any suit but keep in mind that some uplinks will get destroyed until they match the number or lower than your current suit's bandwith. This is to stop those "Logis" to spam an area with more than 8 links and then swtich to a sentinel. If you don't like the changes. Leave. Real Logi's won't be affected by this. Only fake logi's will. So either HTFU or leave. If you don't see how bandwidth affects POWER PLAYERS, then you never were one. Your team contribution is probably not that significant as you play only for your own good. This change hinders the ability of team-level thinkers to aid their fellow soldiers in an impactful way. Bandwidth destroys the capacity to be a multitalented advanced level soldier, deploying proxies, remotes, uplinks and nanohives simultaneously and enduringly. If you can't see that, then you are a tunnel vision player. A lot of people are like that, so don't feel bad. It's just that some players have an IQ above 100 and like stimulating and varied responsibilities. I know how I will change my style of play to adapt to the situation. Not a biggie. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 454	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:28:00 - [73] - Quote Clone D wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Jesus man. Man the ** up. Only way ALL of your equipment will be affected is if you switch to a suit that has 0 Bandwith which are Sentinels and Basic Heavies. You can still Provide uplinks and switch to any suit but keep in mind that some uplinks will get destroyed until they match the number or lower than your current suit's bandwith. This is to stop those "Logis" to spam an area with more than 8 links and then swtich to a sentinel. If you don't like the changes. Leave. Real Logi's won't be affected by this. Only fake logi's will. So either HTFU or leave. If you don't see how bandwidth affects POWER PLAYERS, then you never were one. Your team contribution is probably not that significant as you play only for your own good. This change hinders the ability of team-level thinkers to aid their fellow soldiers in an impactful way. Bandwidth destroys the capacity to be a multitalented advanced level soldier, deploying proxies, remotes, uplinks and nanohives simultaneously and enduringly. If you can't see that, then you are a tunnel vision player. A lot of people are like that, so don't feel bad. It's just that some players have an IQ above 100 and like stimulating and varied responsibilities. I know how I will change my style of play to adapt to the situation. Not a biggie. You were never supposed to be a power player. If you still want to provide uplinks, then switch those RE's ore Nanohives on your assault suit and replace them with Uplinks ad go place them ON A HIDDEN AND STRATEGIC LOCATION** I remember back in the closed beta and open beta days that a couple of hidden links could provide the same results as of now. But with a minor difference. Instead of spawning right in the frontlines, you had to walk a little. And the strategy of placing hidden links is only reinforced by Amarr Logi's. How? Lower respawn times and more respawn tickets per level. So I feel sorry that you will have to re-think your strategy. You can still place uplinks in an Assault. But you won't be able to spam them at the rate of a logi. Sucks to be you. I know matches will become far more tactical and I like that. And my logi friend has a smile on his face because finally he will able to excel at something else rather than being able to carry multiple equipment. Which a scout can do now as well. Sucks to be you. I want to build a shrine of Rattati and put it in my closet and throw money at it every day
Vektus Alvoraan WarRavens Capital Punishment. 17	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:47:00 - [74] - Quote All this QQ brings joy to me nearly-extinct Logibro heart. WE SHALL RISE AGAIN, BEGONE YOU FALSE HEATHENS! DUST 514 Closed Beta Vet - 26 million Lifetime SP - Humble Logibro
Clone D Grundstein Automation 917	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:50:00 - [75] - Quote Vektus Alvoraan wrote: All this QQ brings joy to me nearly-extinct Logibro heart. WE SHALL RISE AGAIN, BEGONE YOU FALSE HEATHENS! It's not QQ, bro. It's resistance and it is understanding what the game will become. There are no tears in my eyes, logibro. I will dearly appreciate your support in the future, amigo. ISK Trader channel: blitz
Valor Goat 14	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:54:00 - [76] - Quote Clone D wrote: This bandwidth nonsense doesn't seem to come from us. It seems like some scheme dreamed up by CCP and they are saying it is by popular demand. I don't want it. Say good bye to the super soldier who can carry a worthless team to victory. OUR TEAM SIZE OF 16 IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR BANDWIDTH TO MAKE SENSE!!!!!!! As long as it's a framerate improvement idgaf of everything else. 1EE7
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 8464	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:57:00 - [77] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's almost as if logistics players will have to use logistics suits to provide logistics support..... DEAR GAWD; THE HORROR! THE BUMBLEBEES, THEY'RE BACK! I'M HAVING FLASHBACKS GUYS BUMBLEBEES ARE MY TRIGGER! Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Vektus Alvoraan WarRavens Capital Punishment. 17	Posted - 2014.12.03 14:57:00 - [78] - Quote Clone D wrote: Vektus Alvoraan wrote: All this QQ brings joy to me nearly-extinct Logibro heart. WE SHALL RISE AGAIN, BEGONE YOU FALSE HEATHENS! It's not QQ, bro. It's resistance and it is understanding what the game will become. There are no tears in my eyes, logibro. I will dearly appreciate your support in the future, amigo. And the game will become far more balanced, friend. Even though you lose a slight advantage, the rest of the team gain even more. Sacrifice one thing to improve many others. DUST 514 Closed Beta Vet - 26 million Lifetime SP - Humble Logibro
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2408	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:12:00 - [79] - Quote Clone D wrote: If you don't see how bandwidth affects POWER PLAYERS, then you never were one. Your team contribution is probably not that significant as you play only for your own good. If you were really that powerful, you wouldn't need equipment spam, would you? What this change does, in my eyes, is make people who spam equipment and then change suits be more thoughtful in how they do it. It also separates the psuedo-logis from the real logis, and hopefully stops the "put out 50 spawn points around a point" as a viable defense strategy and as a result should limit the loss of FPS that results from such a strategy. Real POWER PLAYERS adapt.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5284	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:14:00 - [80] - Quote Bandwidth prevents role tourists from spawning in a logi fitting to spam deployables, then swap to an HMG sentinel and go 30-0 while racking in thousands of WP's from uplink spam. Love bandwidth. I welcome this change with open arms. [Didn't read the entire thread, just the OP] My advice to you, playa...

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17955	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:46:00 - [81] - Quote Clone D wrote: Vektus Alvoraan wrote: All this QQ brings joy to me nearly-extinct Logibro heart. WE SHALL RISE AGAIN, BEGONE YOU FALSE HEATHENS! It's not QQ, bro. It's resistance and it is understanding what the game will become. There are no tears in my eyes, logibro. I will dearly appreciate your support in the future, amigo. He just called you a tourist. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6321	Posted - 2014.12.03 16:54:00 - [82] - Quote Quality. I like this idea. I am GJRs Renfield.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 312	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:05:00 - [83] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: He just called you a tourist. I understand where Clone D is coming from, because not only do i employ some of the same tactics he does, but ive also been in a game or two where he was the top solo logi on his side and I was the one on my side, and we were battling eachother for uplink spots half the game. (I eventually lost when he finally succeeded in getting the fatal hit on me during a milita dropship duel). He is no tourist. When i do what im supposed to be doing properly, the battle can shift tides. ive seen it happen. If I can do that, and Clone D does it better, no one should underestimate the impact just because they dont agree with how he plays. @Clone D I agree with you that its going to change things for the worse. Right now I can get the job done in a ADV logi suit. After the patch, Im going to have to use a Proto logi just to be able to do some of what I used to do. The cost is prohibitive. No way im going to risk combat in such an expensive suit. And if the enemy pushes and destroys my initial uplinks, ill be hesitant to risk the cost to go put more. Its going to lead to alot more red line sniping. If I have to stay in a AK.0 fit all game and cant deploy anything else, I can guarantee you that suit is going to somewhere with minimal risk. No way im paying 70,000ISK to go and revive and repair people lol. Vehicles? Meh. Someone can still switch from a scout to a double sward commando and back with no penalty so its still not as viable.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4798	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:09:00 - [84] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: He just called you a tourist. I understand where Clone D is coming from, because not only do i employ some of the same tactics he does, but ive also been in a game or two where he was the top solo logi on his side and I was the one on my side, and we were battling eachother for uplink spots half the game. (I eventually lost when he finally succeeded in getting the fatal hit on me during a milita dropship duel). He is no tourist. When i do what im supposed to be doing properly, the battle can shift tides. ive seen it happen. If I can do that, and Clone D does it better, no one should underestimate the impact just because they dont agree with how he plays. @Clone D I agree with you that its going to change things for the worse. Right now I can get the job done in a ADV logi suit. After the patch, Im going to have to use a Proto logi just to be able to do some of what I used to do. The cost is prohibitive. No way im going to risk combat in such an expensive suit. And if the enemy pushes and destroys my initial uplinks, ill be hesitant to risk the cost to go put more. Its going to lead to alot more red line sniping. If I have to stay in a AK.0 fit all game and cant deploy anything else, I can guarantee you that suit is going to somewhere with minimal risk. No way im paying 70,000ISK to go and revive and repair people lol. Vehicles? Meh. Someone can still switch from a scout to a double sward commando and back with no penalty so its still not as viable. So, maybe instead of scrapping it entirely, we make it based on the level of skill into the logi suit and not the suit itself? I would have no objection to that. Personally I'm going to use an APEX BPO when I need to save ISK but the "proto or nothing" arguement is quite valid. Maybe you should suggest that instead of non-constructively shouting "this is bullsh!t, get rid of it" at everyone. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5268	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:22:00 - [85] - Quote Clone D wrote: This bandwidth nonsense doesn't seem to come from us. It seems like some scheme dreamed up by CCP and they are saying it is by popular demand. I don't want it. Say good bye to the super soldier who can carry a worthless team to victory. OUR TEAM SIZE OF 16 IS NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR BANDWIDTH TO MAKE SENSE!!!!!!! I checked your post history and your earliest post seems to be in January of 2014. Therefore you missed the major discussions on bandwidth that happened on the forums in 2013. I can understand you thinking it came out of nowhere, but it was actually a thing pushed by the community over a year ago. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 312	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:22:00 - [86] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: So, maybe instead of scrapping it entirely, we make it based on the level of skill into the logi suit and not the suit itself? I would have no objection to that. Personally I'm going to use an APEX BPO when I need to save ISK but the "proto or nothing" arguement is quite valid. Maybe you should suggest that instead of non-constructively shouting "this is bullsh!t, get rid of it" at everyone. I was in shock yesterday, perhaps I came off as aggressive. The ISK costs was one of the things fuelling my anger. That is a very rational suggestion. I would be ok with that. That would give me the flexibility to switch to an Apex logi after planting my equipment. Or my Federation ADV logi with 3 scanners. i dont really want to rep and revive, but i would be even less willing to do it if I had to fit an AK.0 suit for it.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 5268	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:23:00 - [87] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: He just called you a tourist. I understand where Clone D is coming from, because not only do i employ some of the same tactics he does, but ive also been in a game or two where he was the top solo logi on his side and I was the one on my side, and we were battling eachother for uplink spots half the game. (I eventually lost when he finally succeeded in getting the fatal hit on me during a milita dropship duel). He is no tourist. When i do what im supposed to be doing properly, the battle can shift tides. ive seen it happen. If I can do that, and Clone D does it better, no one should underestimate the impact just because they dont agree with how he plays. @Clone D I agree with you that its going to change things for the worse. Right now I can get the job done in a ADV logi suit. After the patch, Im going to have to use a Proto logi just to be able to do some of what I used to do. The cost is prohibitive. No way im going to risk combat in such an expensive suit. And if the enemy pushes and destroys my initial uplinks, ill be hesitant to risk the cost to go put more. Its going to lead to alot more red line sniping. If I have to stay in a AK.0 fit all game and cant deploy anything else, I can guarantee you that suit is going to somewhere with minimal risk. No way im paying 70,000ISK to go and revive and repair people lol. Vehicles? Meh. Someone can still switch from a scout to a double sward commando and back with no penalty so its still not as viable. So, maybe instead of scrapping it entirely, we make it based on the level of skill into the logi suit and not the suit itself? I would have no objection to that. Personally I'm going to use an APEX BPO when I need to save ISK but the "proto or nothing" arguement is quite valid. Maybe you should suggest that instead of non-constructively shouting "this is bullsh!t, get rid of it" at everyone. I agree with John. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 156	Posted - 2014.12.03 17:52:00 - [88] - Quote 1. It seems that running an Amarr proto suit is now a must, even for pubs which means that every death will cost me 250k and that i cannot swap to any other role to do anything else to help the team even if i wanted to 2. I am being forced to logi even when the time may not require the logi but i cannot swap or do anything else because i would lose all my links which then means less chance of flanking or making a push on the objective 3. Amarr and Caldari is worse off, go Gallente/Minmater and reap the WP without having to put anything down and risk it either getting destroyed by the enemy or getting destroyed when you swap suits to adapt to a different situation because 'sandbox'
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4804	Posted - 2014.12.03 18:20:00 - [89] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: So, maybe instead of scrapping it entirely, we make it based on the level of skill into the logi suit and not the suit itself? I would have no objection to that. Personally I'm going to use an APEX BPO when I need to save ISK but the "proto or nothing" arguement is quite valid. Maybe you should suggest that instead of non-constructively shouting "this is bullsh!t, get rid of it" at everyone. I was in shock yesterday, perhaps I came off as aggressive. The ISK costs was one of the things fuelling my anger. That is a very rational suggestion. I would be ok with that. That would give me the flexibility to switch to an Apex logi after planting my equipment. Or my Federation ADV logi with 3 scanners. i dont really want to rep and revive, but i would be even less willing to do it if I had to fit an AK.0 suit for it. If they are not planned to, we need to convince CCP to give APEX logis do get PRO bandwidth if they want to stick with the tiered BW by suit (instead of the skill). This makes it a lot easier to deal with financially. I do my share of reps, but I generally bounce around and give reps as needed. I certainly don't want to spend my entire match leashed to a heavy and never use my gun either. Totally with you there. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 214	Posted - 2014.12.03 19:49:00 - [90] - Quote Clone D wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's almost as if logistics players will have to use logistics suits to provide logistics support..... Imagine the uplink deployers who once patiently and carefully placed uplinks in durable locations where team mates would certainly be safe when they spawned. Say good bye to them. Nobody is going to want to stay in a used up logi dropsuit for the duration of the match (except ADS pilots). >deploy uplinks as before >go to supply depot as before >instead of switching to assault/heavy whatever I now switch to a different logi suit with nanohives/injector/rep tool/scanner to provide further supprot I dont see a problem. Logi tourists cant abuse equipment spam, and real logis can perform their job and their equipment becomes more valuable due to scarcity (other suits cant deploy as much = your equipment is a larger part of the team's deployed equipment). You're essentially complaining that a single merc can no longer abuse a mechanic to carry their team to victory on his own. I dont see an issue with that.



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