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Clone D wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Clone D wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Spawning as a Scout or Logistics, throwing Uplinks everywhere, and swapping to a different suit such as a Sentinel is simply too powerful. Let's take a look at two different play styles of the Support Logistics and the Sentinel.

*Sentinel: Heavily armored, moves slowly. Has the highest DPS in the game with a weapon that has short to medium range. Primarily meant for point defense or for attacking a specific location to break into the enemy's base.
*Logistics: Weaker armor than that of the Assault, slower movement. Faster than the Sentinel but has FAR less HP and FAR less DPS. They carry additional equipment to help their team. In short, they give up a lot to have those extra equipment.

Now imagine the balance nightmare of a Sentinel that dropped 2 Uplinks and 4 Triage Nanohives. You have a Sentinel that is no different than a Logistics really. In short, you would be doing two roles at the same time that need to be made completely separate. It lets the developers begin balancing things from there.

I don't really follow the idea of "I am Superman; I need to be able to put Uplinks because my team is worthless!" So many people have said the same thing that with our very small community it is likely that several Superman are on the same team. You can still run in with your Scout to drop Uplinks to help your team get back from the Redline. I don't see how "I need to be able to do everything!" is an acceptable argument against this change. Remember that it affects your opponents too. If they all go Sentinel to hold off a push, no more Uplinks.

It will be a different kind of game. I don't see it being the end of the world or any kind of hyperbole.

You thought AFKers were bad now? Just wait until bandwidth hits.

Ok, now you're just throwing around wild claims. You're not helping your cause here with this.

What is going to happen is demoralization.

For instance, do you think a highly potent soldier is going to say, "oh, my team needs uplinks. I'll go deploy 7 to critical locations and then carry soldiers around in my sluggish and vulnerable transport dropship for the rest of the match while I remain in my logi suit."

No, they will become demoralized, deploy the uplinks and then send their merc back to the groundspawn running in circles for the remainder of the match.

Whereas previously, they could have deployed uplinks, changed suits and carried on the battle as an infantryman.

Minmatar Logistics I Repair, Revive, and Replenish. Leave the slaying for Assaults and Heavies.


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Mister Goo Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 81	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:26:00 - [1] - Quote Clone D wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Clone D wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Spawning as a Scout or Logistics, throwing Uplinks everywhere, and swapping to a different suit such as a Sentinel is simply too powerful. Let's take a look at two different play styles of the Support Logistics and the Sentinel. Sentinel: Heavily armored, moves slowly. Has the highest DPS in the game with a weapon that has short to medium range. Primarily meant for point defense or for attacking a specific location to break into the enemy's base. Logistics: Weaker armor than that of the Assault, slower movement. Faster than the Sentinel but has FAR less HP and FAR less DPS. They carry additional equipment to help their team. In short, they give up a lot to have those extra equipment. Now imagine the balance nightmare of a Sentinel that dropped 2 Uplinks and 4 Triage Nanohives. You have a Sentinel that is no different than a Logistics really. In short, you would be doing two roles at the same time that need to be made completely separate. It lets the developers begin balancing things from there. I don't really follow the idea of "I am Superman; I need to be able to put Uplinks because my team is worthless!" So many people have said the same thing that with our very small community it is likely that several Superman are on the same team. You can still run in with your Scout to drop Uplinks to help your team get back from the Redline. I don't see how "I need to be able to do everything!" is an acceptable argument against this change. Remember that it affects your opponents too. If they all go Sentinel to hold off a push, no more Uplinks. It will be a different kind of game. I don't see it being the end of the world or any kind of hyperbole. You thought AFKers were bad now? Just wait until bandwidth hits. Ok, now you're just throwing around wild claims. You're not helping your cause here with this. What is going to happen is demoralization. For instance, do you think a highly potent soldier is going to say, "oh, my team needs uplinks. I'll go deploy 7 to critical locations and then carry soldiers around in my sluggish and vulnerable transport dropship for the rest of the match while I remain in my logi suit." No, they will become demoralized, deploy the uplinks and then send their merc back to the groundspawn running in circles for the remainder of the match. Whereas previously, they could have deployed uplinks, changed suits and carried on the battle as an infantryman. NO, what will happen is deployment of equipment will be more deliberate. WP farmers will not be throwing up large amounts of drop links, nano hives, and completely surrounding supply depots with useless equipment just so they can get some points. The ONLY ones hurt by BW is going to be spammers. Closed Beta Vet Minmatar Logistics I Repair, Revive, and Replenish. Leave the slaying for Assaults and Heavies.
Mister Goo Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 81	Posted - 2014.12.03 20:58:00 - [2] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: I am not a spammer and I absolutely hate what BW is creating for me. I understand your frustration with BW, I am on the fence with it because of how it effects Logi game play. I am glad they did something to help with the useless spam of equipment but there were better ideas presented IMHO. The largest hurdle I can see right now is going to be Drop Links, because they can not be ignored until it is time to replace them. The thing is going to be not accidentally popping your DL when you place out nano hives for resupplying and having others out all ready that were not completely used. Closed Beta Vet Minmatar Logistics I Repair, Revive, and Replenish. Leave the slaying for Assaults and Heavies.
Mister Goo Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 87	Posted - 2014.12.05 17:40:00 - [3] - Quote Clone D wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: If you are going logi then you are there to support your squad/team. Follow the assaults, commandos, and sentinels. You can provide fire support (kill assists mostly), sure, but you are there to provide ammo, repair armor, scan down hostiles, etc. Who will deploy the proxy fields? Who will deploy the uplinks? Either tankers, pilots or slayer logis. You gotta do what you gotta do. Nobody will want to run around in a used up dropsuit after deploying a minefield or uplinks, especially not to get kill assists. They will make THE SLAYER LOGIS. I doubt you even know what a slayer logi was. If you can set up an effective slayer logi with any suit show us what it would look like in your next post. Now remember that you need to out gun all level of Scouts, Assaults, and don't for get the heavy you used to help. Since I know your going to use a proto logi of your particular flavor please include a comparison of your flavor of logi and a proto assault suit of the same flavor IE Min Logi vs Min Assault. Something like Suit Bonus Shileds Armor Shield recharge Armor Repair DPS Closed Beta Vet Minmatar Logistics I Repair, Revive, and Replenish. Leave the slaying for Assaults and Heavies.
Mister Goo Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 88	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:25:00 - [4] - Quote Clone D wrote: All that matters is that the slayer logi suit has no assigned equipment, and is built to suit the particular mercenary's battle needs. It will be relatively preferable to running around in a suit with 0 equipment left in the equipment slots to avoid $$$ lost for dying in a suit with equipment assigned to it. I slay with militia gear and standard gear all of the time. Don't tell me that a slayer fit has to be built one particular way. It's different for each person, to match their play style. I didn't say your couldn't slay with them, I said effective. You can not make a comparable suit out of a logi suit vs the same level Assault or Scout. Not having equipment doesn't change the fact they are the squishiest suit in the game. Using Min Assault vs Min Logi Assault 2 High 2 Low 210 Shield 190 Armor Logi 2 High 2 Low 090 Shield 150 Armor Do the math your not going to get an effective Slayer Logi out of that period. Advance and Proto still start out with the same Stats for Armor and Shield and your still going to lose vs another player with same skill as you. BW will NOT bring back a slayer logi, your thinking so only makes me laugh. There used to be Killer Bee's, there will never be again because of the suit changes made a long time ago. Closed Beta Vet Minmatar Logistics I Repair, Revive, and Replenish. Leave the slaying for Assaults and Heavies.