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Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 142	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:07:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Gal scout to 5 - all scan skills to 5 - cloak -5 - I rarely use that 2nd equip slot except for stick on a frisbee RE because its easy 2. Cloak and RE - Win win for scouts, stick it on a dren BPO and go to town, if in doubt throw an RE 3. If one slot you have to choose between cloak and RE but RE shouldnt be thrown like a grenade and needs to be fixed to be dropped like a weight
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 765	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:18:00 - [2] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Why do you need a 2nd equip slot? Cloak was intended to help the Scout do his job; it was not intended to become the Scout's job. Being partially invisible isn't a squad function.
xAckie Ghost. Mob 469	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:28:00 - [3] - Quote Cause. Scout.
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 26	Posted - 2014.11.28 15:43:00 - [4] - Quote Infiltration? Become invisible, pass behind the enemy and leave a spawn point behind them?
Haerr Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 2057	Posted - 2014.11.28 16:15:00 - [5] - Quote OP is right Scouts should have 3 equipment slots. fighter jets
Ku Shala The Generals 1032	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:16:00 - [6] - Quote i want an uplink you can fit on a scouts back that fits in the second equipment slot that instantly deploys me as a heavy frame when you kill my scout, scouts need that :S *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES 17	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:24:00 - [7] - Quote They don't. Dust 5/14
postapo wastelander Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 758	Posted - 2014.11.28 17:25:00 - [8] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. Gal scout to 5 - all scan skills to 5 - cloak -5 - I rarely use that 2nd equip slot except for stick on a frisbee RE because its easy 2. Cloak and RE - Win win for scouts, stick it on a dren BPO and go to town, if in doubt throw an RE 3. If one slot you have to choose between cloak and RE but RE shouldnt be thrown like a grenade and needs to be fixed to be dropped like a weight Cloak device and another gadget by specialization ;p *"In the rust we trust"*
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6132	Posted - 2014.11.28 18:03:00 - [9] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: In other words, being less invisible is not a job. What? Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 13	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:02:00 - [10] - Quote I asked my girl the same thing. I can only use one....

Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 769	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:18:00 - [11] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: In other words, being less invisible is not a job. What? Oops!
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 408	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:29:00 - [12] - Quote thehellisgoingon wrote: I asked my girl the same thing. I can only use one.... You need more imagination I think.
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 408	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:31:00 - [13] - Quote Also, REs, stop moaning about them. They are not easy to use, they are not hard to avoid, and sometimes they are the only way to beat the logi heavy pair (with difficulty). If you are referring to videos made by Pyrex on the subject, REs have been nerfed heavily since then.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2014.11.28 19:36:00 - [14] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: Infiltration? Become invisible, pass behind the enemy and leave a spawn point behind them? 1. So this is the only answer which isnt cloak and RE and this answer is never used by a scout ever, i have never seen this done once 2. How many scouts would be fine with either 1 equipment slot or only allowing the RE on with no cloak or the cloak on with no RE, basically you can fit one but not the other, i would be fine with either 3. How many would be fine with RE dropping like a weight onto the floor/wall and cannot be thrown at all using any kind of fast movement or jumping? id support it
Ares 514 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1011	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:26:00 - [15] - Quote Haerr wrote: OP is right Scouts should have 3 equipment slots. lol Overlord of Broman
Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 408	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:30:00 - [16] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Infiltration? Become invisible, pass behind the enemy and leave a spawn point behind them? 1. So this is the only answer which isnt cloak and RE and this answer is never used by a scout ever, i have never seen this done once 2. How many scouts would be fine with either 1 equipment slot or only allowing the RE on with no cloak or the cloak on with no RE, basically you can fit one but not the other, i would be fine with either 3. How many would be fine with RE dropping like a weight onto the floor/wall and cannot be thrown at all using any kind of fast movement or jumping? id support it Lots of scouts use uplinks. It's a major part of a scouts role. If I play scout I always use uplinks, only switching to REs if uplinks are in place. The cloak is useful for getting links in good places.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 771	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:40:00 - [17] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Mikel Arias wrote: Infiltration? Become invisible, pass behind the enemy and leave a spawn point behind them? 1. So this is the only answer which isnt cloak and RE and this answer is never used by a scout ever, i have never seen this done once I use cloak to put uplinks behind enemy lines all the time, both in pubs and in PC. Do the same to get my team out of trouble should they we spawn trapped in Ambush, and sneak uplinks to high ground or sniping positions as first order of business if we're getting steamrolled. If Uplinks aren't needed, I typically run cloak and an active scanner to paint hostile positions from behind enemy lines. If the missions calls for a AV, I run cloak and either REs for sapping or a nanohives for swarming. Apart from AV, if I'm running REs, I'm using them to sabotage objectives post-hack or bust up the ridiculous heavy blobs which dominate current meta. [quote=Lazer Fo Cused] 2. How many scouts would be fine with either 1 equipment slot or only allowing the RE on with no cloak or the cloak on with no RE, basically you can fit one but not the other, i would be fine with either 3. How many would be fine with RE dropping like a weight onto the floor/wall and cannot be thrown at all using any kind of fast movement or jumping? id support it Nerfing a counter to a problem won't solve the problem. Fixing heavies will fix blobs, which will lessen demand for REs. Many Scouts have been amenable to the idea of having cloak built-in to the Scout suit.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1345	Posted - 2014.11.28 21:26:00 - [18] - Quote Haerr wrote: OP is right Scouts should have 3 equipment slots. Right after logistics gets 5 at all tiers and much better base stats. And scouts lose all weapons. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Amuf Oratok Dead Man's Game RUST415 50	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:00:00 - [19] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: sometimes they are the only way to beat the logi heavy pair (with difficulty) Knife the logi, then knife the heavy. Problem solved.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6229	Posted - 2014.11.28 22:20:00 - [20] - Quote You do realize that the new Equipment Bandwidth will go a long way to making this a non issue right? What does it matter if someone has 2 equipment items if they can necessarily use both? Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"

Varoth Drac Titans of Phoenix 410	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:25:00 - [21] - Quote Amuf Oratok wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: sometimes they are the only way to beat the logi heavy pair (with difficulty) Knife the logi, then knife the heavy. Problem solved. So easy......
XxGhazbaranxX B.A.L.A.M.O.R.Y. G.L.O.R.Y. 1909	Posted - 2014.11.28 23:47:00 - [22] - Quote Scouts dont need a second equipment slot period. Scouting was effective without the invisibility but people wanted to use scouts as assault so they cried for cloaks. I did just fine with my gallente sscout withoit a cloak. Dust is a game of decisions, you have 1 slot, either use the cloak or put re but not both. On top of all this they increased the layout to the point that people dont even use cloacks and use the scout as assault suits. Remove the second slot and balance will be achieved. Want crazy explosions the you are suceptable to being seen. Wamt to shotgun then fit a cloak to make it easier, not both. Plasma Cannon Advocate
Spartykins Militaires Sans Jeux 81	Posted - 2014.11.29 04:48:00 - [23] - Quote When exactly have REs ever been a problem? They're pretty easy to spot to be honest. (Insert witty phrase here)
Stupid F0ckin Scrub Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 1	Posted - 2014.11.29 10:43:00 - [24] - Quote Scouts need two slots. Reason one: Drop uplinks and scans Reason two: Cloak and scans Reason three: Cloak and Links Reason four: Any other combo they want, be it dual scans, dual links, cloaks and RE's. Get over it, based on the role, scouts actually need dual slots. Quit complaining about scouts please. Situational awareness keeps you from getting killed, and you will find scouts are way easy to kill when you see one rushing up on you. Pop, pop pop, down goes the paper scout, even tank scouts are paper. Think about it, a proto tank scout (ck.0) maybe 500 shields 200 armor vs. a proto tank assault (ck.0) 500-600 shield 400-600 armor. Tell me that one of these comparable meta level suits isn't easier to kill than the other. The scout at that point couldn't even have a cloak.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 672	Posted - 2014.11.29 11:01:00 - [25] - Quote Stupid F0ckin Scrub wrote: Scouts need two slots. Reason one: Drop uplinks and scans Reason two: Cloak and scans Reason three: Cloak and Links Reason four: Any other combo they want, be it dual scans, dual links, cloaks and RE's. Get over it, based on the role, scouts actually need dual slots. Quit complaining about scouts please. Situational awareness keeps you from getting killed, and you will find scouts are way easy to kill when you see one rushing up on you. Pop, pop pop, down goes the paper scout, even tank scouts are paper. Think about it, a proto tank scout (ck.0) maybe 500 shields 200 armor vs. a proto tank assault (ck.0) 500-600 shield 400-600 armor. Tell me that one of these comparable meta level suits isn't easier to kill than the other. The scout at that point couldn't even have a cloak. Jesus tap-dancing Christ, THIS.
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2014.11.29 13:01:00 - [26] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: You do realize that the new Equipment Bandwidth will go a long way to making this a non issue right? What does it matter if someone has 2 equipment items if they can necessarily use both? 1. Equip bandwith is for deployable items, if RE are still able to put down 3 then its a nonfactor and the cloak isnt deployable anyways so chances are it wont matter 2. Who said cloak should be auto on a scout? does that mean it auto takes up 1 equip slot or its already inbuilt? either way still means you get to frisbee throw RE around the map at will 3. If RE drop like a rock then at least they cant be thrown better than a grenade 4. Sentinal spam is a direct consequence of scout spam, sentinals can survive an RE and hold up against the invisible hordes, logi and assault die to scouts alot more easily in general and the cloak is broken still while you are able to fire while invisible
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 5531	Posted - 2014.11.29 14:22:00 - [27] - Quote Never seen a sentinel survive even a basic RE. Splash resistance seems to be broken there. And I have a hard time envisioning a situation where a scout MUST have a cloak to be an effective user of RE or uplinks. Honestly I suicide gank with my scouts frequently and the cloak simply makes it easier to get in close. So while agreeing with the OP pains me, I have yet to hear why a scout NEEDS two equipment slots inany compelling way. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 137	Posted - 2014.11.29 14:32:00 - [28] - Quote I'm a brick tanked Gal Sentinel and I can, barely, survive a basic RE when running 3 Complex Plates. Used to be easier with 4. Anything higher than basic will obliterate me. Splash resistance should mean that even the Cal and Min Sentinels should be able to survive a RE, which they can't, and all the Proto Sentinels should, in theory, live through a single Proto if the resistance and shield resist stack to 45% (that'd drop a Proto RE to about 900 damage) and they have enough eHP. Any Sentinel that lives through a Proto RE should, obviously, be seriously damaged. Purifier. First Class.
Mikel Arias Challengers 506 27	Posted - 2014.11.29 15:28:00 - [29] - Quote The problem with this kind of post is, I believe, they are made from the point of view of someone who is just suffering because of something (scouts, RE, heavys, minjas). Dont get me wrong, Im not going to say that you should just shut up and get good, that would be bull**** and its just a game, but before creating this kind of posts those people should try to play the other role thats making them cry, because that way you will learn how they play and you will know what they are likely to do in certain circumstances, and above all, you will learn how to kill them and how to avoid to get killed. Sounds stupid? Try it, then you will see. Its an excellent way to adapt, and thats all this game is about, adapt.
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 156	Posted - 2014.11.29 16:14:00 - [30] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: ...they are not hard to avoid, ... If you're a scout, you mean. If you're not a scout, you can't detect an RE dropping cloaked scout before he's too close. Once he's too close, he can ~~drop~~ throw and detonate a RE so quickly that you can not get out of the blast radius of the RE quickly enough to avoid being obliterated. That's why the cloaked scout with the current REs are overpowered. Tell me what I can fit or how I can behave to counter this tactic without resorting to using a scout? The best detection, hiding, speed, and time to kill should never have been stacked up in a single role. I understand why every scout enjoying the overpowered scouts doesn't want them nerfed, but you know it has to happen for the long term health of the game and for player retention. I enjoyed the hell out of the MD when it was OP for a little while, but I knew it needed to be nerfed a little, and it was. Its in a pretty good place right now. A balanced weapon is actually more fun than an OP weapon in the long run. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread

Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 145	Posted - 2014.11.29 16:43:00 - [31] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: The problem with this kind of post is, I believe, they are made from the point of view of someone who is just suffering because of something (scouts, RE, heavys, minjas). Dont get me wrong, Im not going to say that you should just shut up and get good, that would be bull**** and its just a game, but before creating this kind of posts those people should try to play the other role thats making them cry, because that way you will learn how they play and you will know what they are likely to do in certain circumstances, and above all, you will learn how to kill them and how to avoid to get killed. Sounds stupid? Try it, then you will see. Its an excellent way to adapt, and thats all this game is about, adapt. 1. Didnt read the OP 1a. Gal Scout - Level 5 - Cloak - Level 5 - Scout skills - Level 5 - RE level 1 - All you need 2. RE Broken - They teleport, they slide, you can throw them 20m and more 3. Cloak broken - Can shoot while invisible, decloaking is slow, decloaking after i throw RE/shoot, super suprise attack where the enemy have no idea until they are dead and im gone 4. How do you avoid a teleporting sliding RE thrown by an invisible scout who decloaks after the action which is supposed to decloak them before the action is carried out? 5. A sentinal can survive an RE, not directly but the splash at least if you are on the edge, takes 80% of your health tho but its more than a logi or assault
Spartykins Militaires Sans Jeux 84	Posted - 2014.11.29 17:19:00 - [32] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: That's why the cloaked scout with the current REs are overpowered. Tell me what I can fit or how I can behave to counter this tactic without resorting to using a scout? Step 1 - Identify scout. Step 2 - Move away from spam. Step 3 - Shoot scout. (Insert witty phrase here)
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 157	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:31:00 - [33] - Quote Spartykins wrote: Gyn Wallace wrote: That's why the cloaked scout with the current REs are overpowered. Tell me what I can fit or how I can behave to counter this tactic without resorting to using a scout? Step 1 - Identify scout. ... That's not really a solution when the problem is that we can't identify scouts until its too late to escape their RE blast radius. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1379	Posted - 2014.11.29 20:34:00 - [34] - Quote Cloak + Hive Cloak + Link Cloak + RE Cloak + Rep Tool Cloak + Active Scanner Cloak + Needle Options, thats why Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Stupid F0ckin Scrub Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 3	Posted - 2014.12.04 21:40:00 - [35] - Quote Mikel Arias wrote: The problem with this kind of post is, I believe, they are made from the point of view of someone who is just suffering because of something (scouts, RE, heavys, minjas). Dont get me wrong, Im not going to say that you should just shut up and get good, that would be bull**** and its just a game, but before creating this kind of posts those people should try to play the other role thats making them cry, because that way you will learn how they play and you will know what they are likely to do in certain circumstances, and above all, you will learn how to kill them and how to avoid to get killed. Sounds stupid? Try it, then you will see. Its an excellent way to adapt, and thats all this game is about, adapt. I used to run logi scout, then I began to Shotgun, because why not. After some time I began to run assault. Then I became a Minja. I must say, my ability to not get killed by scouts is going up the more I play as one. It does help to learn how scouts run to avoid and kill them. My advise if you are worried about RE's, don't walk in a tight group of 5+ people. Easy target for RE's. Beside that, be careful when chasing a scout.
Stupid F0ckin Scrub Eternal Beings Dark Taboo 3	Posted - 2014.12.04 21:42:00 - [36] - Quote Sorry for the double post, but maybe if we make the RE have a throwable range of 5m everyone would be happy? Intimidate sticking, no sliding. Hopefully no disappearing.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 606	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:33:00 - [37] - Quote They don't. Scouts currently, understandably, just love being able to mix and match equipment and ignore the greater game balance overall. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 452	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:55:00 - [38] - Quote thehellisgoingon wrote: I asked my girl the same thing. I can only use one.... My girl runs a full 6. Time to stop running militia...
Finn Colman Immortal Guides Learning Alliance 83	Posted - 2014.12.05 02:58:00 - [39] - Quote Aw man, I was hoping that the logi-scout would be around for quite some time to come. I don't like using cloaks anyway, since I have found them to be rather ineffectual for the cost of fitting them, so i usually grab a needle and reptool/uplink. A shadow clad in duct tape, waiting for the moment to strike. PSA: Tell players to terminate in order to access mCRUs.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4884	Posted - 2014.12.05 03:13:00 - [40] - Quote Because we thought we were going to all use a cloak and Uplinks or something. Instead, I ended up using the extra CPU/PG for better mods.

Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 4888	Posted - 2014.12.05 03:14:00 - [41] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Cloak + Hive Cloak + Link Cloak + RE Cloak + Rep Tool Cloak + Active Scanner Cloak + Needle Options, thats why I should really read others' posts before adding my own.
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public.Disorder. 675	Posted - 2014.12.05 08:42:00 - [42] - Quote Remember when everyone was asking how you escape the redline when your team is pushed all the way back? Cloak + uplink
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 605	Posted - 2014.12.05 11:27:00 - [43] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: Remember when everyone was asking how you escape the redline when your team is pushed all the way back? Cloak + uplink You dont need a cloak for that. You are fast enough to run to the edge where there are no enemies and proceed from there. Assaults are supposed to be the most versatile suit yet scouts do it better.
Echo 1991 Titans of Phoenix 605	Posted - 2014.12.05 11:35:00 - [44] - Quote Stupid F0ckin Scrub wrote: Scouts need two slots. Reason one: Drop uplinks and scans Reason two: Cloak and scans Reason three: Cloak and Links Reason four: Any other combo they want, be it dual scans, dual links, cloaks and RE's. Get over it, based on the role, scouts actually need dual slots. Quit complaining about scouts please. Situational awareness keeps you from getting killed, and you will find scouts are way easy to kill when you see one rushing up on you. Pop, pop pop, down goes the paper scout, even tank scouts are paper. Think about it, a proto tank scout (ck.0) maybe 500 shields 200 armor vs. a proto tank assault (ck.0) 500-600 shield 400-600 armor. Tell me that one of these comparable meta level suits isn't easier to kill than the other. The scout at that point couldn't even have a cloak. Please explain how situational awareness helps when you cant see behind you and scouts can become invisible when the map is incredibly bright because of the lighting. Scouts also have a smaller hitbox, are much faster than that bricked cal assault and can sneak up on you with no problem at all. They also have more versatillity than an assault, which by design, is wrong.
jonny battles Titans of Phoenix 10	Posted - 2014.12.05 11:40:00 - [45] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: Also, REs, stop moaning about them. They are not easy to use, they are not hard to avoid, and sometimes they are the only way to beat the logi heavy pair (with difficulty). If you are referring to videos made by Pyrex on the subject, REs have been nerfed heavily since then. Re' s are not hard to use at all you do is drop them and wait for people or use the fact that heavy are to Damn slow to get away from then I've been on both sides or them even though there fun to use they need a nerf. It shouldn't be able to 1 shot a proto heavy It was just that easy
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 1019	Posted - 2014.12.05 13:14:00 - [46] - Quote You will often (not) see me running around in a min scout suit with no equipment. Just a bunch of PEs, a bunch of PDs / KCs, an Ion Pistol in my L slot, and NKs in my sidearm slot. Maybe an ADV shield extender. I can't fit anything in the equipment slots, but I don't ~~need~~ want to either. Call me an old-skool scout, but cloak doesn't fit my style. I do have an M-I with 2x KinCats and an L4 uplink, but I so rarely use that. I have doubts about dropping uplinks being a major part of a scout's role. I have an Amarr logi for that job. I only take the M-I out when I need to get around the map fast and quietly to try and turn the tide of battle with an uplink. Then I will be spawning in on that uplink with the logi anyway to replace it with my logi's uplink, which is vastly superior with the logi bonuses. Anyway other mileage clearly varies, but i wouldn't be affected if I had no equipment slots and cloak was removed from the game. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz


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