Okay, SOMEONE in this thread is intelligent. I was starting to think this was some kind of moron circlejerk.

I mean, have any of you saying that you can't fight Dropships actually tried flying one? Even with the reductions to Swarm turning speed, the high rate of fire and reload speed means that there can be enough Swarms in the air to kill me before I can even react.

Also, 80% resists with 10 second cooldown? Are you nuts? The Complex Hardener has a cooldown of 60 seconds, and with max skills you can only bring that down to 45 seconds. Also, there's a stacking penalty on shield hardeners, so running 2 at the same time does NOT give you 80% resistance.

The Myron and Grimsnes are rendered unusable by current Swarm stats. I can get away from a single Swarm Launcher with a bit of armor damage on my Python, but with a Myron even if I turn on my afterburner I'll likely have 4-5 volleys in the air from just one guy before I can even get away. If it's two or more people, I might as well just jump out the moment they start shooting.

Before anyone tries to talk ****, that's a Myron with 3500 shield HP.

As for the 80% resists could Za'ki please break that down into maths and show us how he reached that conclusion. As far as I knowaby Shield vehicle using a hardeners has roughly 60% more EHP vs explosive AV options but not 80%

My previous post including a link to the actual maths for explosive profile, hardener and double hardener and how they interact with Swarm damage.

80% is a ridiculous figure, even for the old 60%, and Za'ki has repeatedly stated 95% for double hardening. I too would like to know how Za'ki (and anyone else spouting nonsense numbers) reaches these idiotic figures.

Double hardened vs swarms reduces total Swarm damage by 68.5%. A Wiyrkomi does 393.12 per volley under that before any damage mods or Commando bonus

With full damage potential (MinCom 5, 2x Complex Damage Mods) you get 311.46 per missile, or 1245.84 per volley (no reduction)
Vs shields: 996.67 per volley (20% reduction)
Vs one shield hardener: 747.52 per volley (52% total reduction: 40% reduction of the 80% left after the profile reduction)
Vs two shield hardeners: 490.36 per volley (68.5% total reduction: 34.4% reduction of the 48% left after the first hardener)

Happy maths everyone.

Are you all high?

AV is in a good position vs vehicles at the moment. Quit expecting to OHK an ADS and tank with a militia swarm.

I hope your post turns into a beastly like farm. The reason it's so hard to kill the ads is just because we're trying so hard to haul ass out of there as soon as we see swarms.

Exactly!

The moment I even hear the sound I hit the afterburner and start going evasive, which can lead to some embarrassing moments when it turns out to be one of my squadmates shooting a tank.

I listen to music while playing most of the time so I can't really hear them, I need to depend on visuals but I can't do that either because of invisible swarms. Basically, I can't get into my jam...

I didn't do any math for this so feel free to correct me if I am mistaken. It takes 16 + swarms to drop a ds with adv so with the pro 15% + mk. com 10% bonus your are prolly looking at one less shot which is huge.

The reason I suggested AV may need a buff is because the situations in which AVers are exposed are not comparable with the vehicles. When an AVer fires he is a easy kill target on everyones radar including the pilot of the vehicle and the reason the TTK should be shortened or mechanics added to shield them should be instated like: Mount/Dismount Timer for vehicles to stop pilots from dropping out with an hmg, and added knockback to swarms to make it harder for ads to OHK av.

Blueprint, your talk of invincibility in the face of not only one Swarmer, but multiple AV together is frankly ridiculous. I also pilot a Grimsnes with hardeners and I am far from invincible, even against a single Swarmer. Again, I seriously question the reality of your game time.

Kallas I started using the light ships to make sure that our ships were not the difference and found the light ship to be just as steady and even more resilient to swarms with one hardner and one energizer. I took 24 swarms and left the engagement with full health and just did circles in gk RF right above the pit where there is a ton of stuff to be knocked into. I guess the difference could be you game pad, ps4/kb&m or your sensitivity maxed because in both cases I find my description to remain accurate.

With the hardeners I go where ever I please I don't care what AV they have I literally hovered over a in the new map with all the turret on each side of the vally and took 2 fg shots 4 swarms and I am not sure if the missiles from the turret hit me or not.

In the match after, I landed on a rooftop with avers multiple times just to see if they could kill me I did it 6 times until a tank near my red line killed me as I went to land at supply station to restock and heal.

Blueprint, I was in a skirmish with you other day where you went 1/7 flying around in a DS dropping links. Didn't seem too invincible...