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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

Blueprint For Murder wrote:

Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again?
Have you guys seen the planed missile turret changes?
With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV?
What do you guys think the balance will look like DS=DS>>>>Tank=Tank>>infantry>AV>DS

I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it.

the only decent AV is minmando L5 and proto swarms with 2x dmg moduals.. but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that.

AV should be capable of butt humping ADS.. ADS should be a nice hard counter for HAV

ADS needs its damage per level changing to be vs vehicle only and slightly higher.. 5% instead of 3%.. lower splash but keep splash on missiles. gallente ADS bonus needs a % resist to heat to make useing a blaster as the main gun more viable for air vs air and air vs ground at close range as it is too prone to overheating.

as for HAV VS AV it is getting there.. tho the anti shield AV weapony (PLC) is lacking compaired to anti armor weaponry (swarm)

but it could be like.. PLC+packed AV nades.. or Flux+swarm for "balanced" anti vehicle where as PLC+flux dosnt work that well compared to swarm+packed AV for anti armor.. tho swarm+av means they dont do too much against shield tanked HAVs its all about the fit i guess.

id also like to see HAVs buffed against anti personel in the form of allowing us to put a small turret on the large hardpoint so we can roll around with 3x small turrets.. drawback is small sucks vs other tanks where as its better vs inf.

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Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 379	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:56:00 - [1] - Quote Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the planed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS=DS>>>>Tank=Tank>infantry>AV>DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 379	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:56:00 - [2] - Quote Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the proposed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS.<.DS.>>.Tank>.Tank.>>.infantry.>.AVx2.<.<.DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15154	Posted - 2014.11.21 14:59:00 - [3] - Quote Link to planned missile changes? Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, DUST Pariah Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my Youtube channel
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2046	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:00:00 - [4] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the planed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS=DS>>>>Tank=Tank>>infantry>AV>DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. the only decent AV is minmando L5 and proto swarms with 2x dmg moduals.. but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 5013	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:00:00 - [5] - Quote I routinely scare off ADS pilots with my standard swarm launcher on an Amarr assault fitting (one light weapon damage mod). I rarely land a killshot, but that isn't the point, I'm just trying to get them off my ass for a minute. I shudder to think how things would pan out for the pilot if I was a Minmatar commando with proto swarms. Where are these planned missile turret changes? My advice to you, playa...
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 747	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:02:00 - [6] - Quote Are you all high? AV is in a good position vs vehicles at the moment. Quit expecting to OHK an ADS and tank with a militia swarm.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 379	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:12:00 - [7] - Quote I can't remember what the thread name was, but they will divide the missile turrets into AV and AI. AI increased radius possible range decrease and AV high damage reduced range. I can't really remember, but I think the damages were 300-400 for AI and 500 for AV, but I could be wrong. They also mentioned a change to the rof bonus I think it was restoring it?. I will look for it and replace this when I find it. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 379	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:12:00 - [8] - Quote I was mistaken about the changes for now I thought rattati had posted it and not commented, but whateves you can read about the proposed changes here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=179191&f=730&q=2449805 The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 3038	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:13:00 - [9] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the planed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS.<.DS.>>.Tank>.Tank.>>.infantry.>.AVx2.<.<.DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2395	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:17:00 - [10] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the planed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS.<.DS.>>.Tank>.Tank.>>.infantry.>.AVx2.<.<.DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. What missile turret changes? I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1303	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:38:00 - [11] - Quote Haven't heard of any turret changes and AV is fine now. I got a respec on an alt. and went full ADS to see how the other half lives. ADS deaths might rise enough to get them a buff as a result. Because, that's why.
Dauth Jenkins Tankers United Covert Intervention 565	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:41:00 - [12] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the planed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS=DS>>>>Tank=Tank>>infantry>AV>DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. the only decent AV is minmando L5 and proto swarms with 2x dmg moduals.. but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that. AV should be capable of butt humping ADS.. ADS should be a nice hard counter for HAV ADS needs its damage per level changing to be vs vehicle only and slightly higher.. 5% instead of 3%.. lower splash but keep splash on missiles. gallente ADS bonus needs a % resist to heat to make useing a blaster as the main gun more viable for air vs air and air vs ground at close range as it is too prone to overheating. as for HAV VS AV it is getting there.. tho the anti shield AV weapony (PLC) is lacking compaired to anti armor weaponry (swarm) but it could be like.. PLC+packed AV nades.. or Flux+swarm for "balanced" anti vehicle where as PLC+flux dosnt work that well compared to swarm+packed AV for anti armor.. tho swarm+av means they dont do too much against shield tanked HAVs its all about the fit i guess. id also like to see HAVs buffed against anti personel in the form of allowing us to put a small turret on the large hardpoint so we can roll around with 3x small turrets.. drawback is small sucks vs other tanks where as its better vs inf. 10 second down time? Tell me where I can get 80% resists to explosives with a 10 second down time. To even approach that level of resist, you need at least 1 prototype hardener, if not 2. And even with 2, it's going to be tough to get that kind of Down time. Also, if your running 2 prototype hardeners, your ADS is probably going to be very expensive, so you should be able to survive a match or 2 without losing a Dropship. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Mike Ox Bigger KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 488	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:57:00 - [13] - Quote While I'm not a huge fan of vehicles, I firmly believe if you have 20mil SP spent on ADS or Tanks, you should be just as capable on the battlefield as a Infantry guy with 20mil sp. Whatever needs to be done to make this happen, needs to be done.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1087	Posted - 2014.11.21 15:59:00 - [14] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: the only decent AV is minmando L5 and proto swarms with 2x dmg moduals.. Maybe for someone who can't aim a forge gun.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15154	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:09:00 - [15] - Quote Za'ki doesn't quite understand vehicles and very often lists things off that are blatantly untrue. And lol @ dual swarms being the only effective AV. Forges are so good, we just rarely complain about them because they actually take skill to use 0 SP Damage stacked Rail Sicas are disgustingly effective still too Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, DUST Pariah Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my Youtube channel
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 895	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:09:00 - [16] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that. Fun fact, aside from the ONE XT-1 Missile Turret and ONE Complex PG Module, the rest of the modules are a mixer of basic and enhanced stuff. Not because i dont want all proto stuff, but because there is not enough PG/CPU to fit all that fun stuff. Secondly, I dont use hardeners so no 80% resistances. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15154	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:22:00 - [17] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that. Fun fact, aside from the ONE XT-1 Missile Turret and ONE Complex PG Module, the rest of the modules are a mixer of basic and enhanced stuff. Not because i dont want all proto stuff, but because there is not enough PG/CPU to fit all that fun stuff. Secondly, I dont use hardeners so no 80% resistances. You only run one PG? What do you run in the second slot? Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, DUST Pariah Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my Youtube channel
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 897	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:24:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Snugglz wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that. Fun fact, aside from the ONE XT-1 Missile Turret and ONE Complex PG Module, the rest of the modules are a mixer of basic and enhanced stuff. Not because i dont want all proto stuff, but because there is not enough PG/CPU to fit all that fun stuff. Secondly, I dont use hardeners so no 80% resistances. You only run one PG? What do you run in the second slot? oh, make that 2. First some reason i thought right side was only one slot. but still. the left isn't -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 15154	Posted - 2014.11.21 16:27:00 - [19] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Snugglz wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that. Fun fact, aside from the ONE XT-1 Missile Turret and ONE Complex PG Module, the rest of the modules are a mixer of basic and enhanced stuff. Not because i dont want all proto stuff, but because there is not enough PG/CPU to fit all that fun stuff. Secondly, I dont use hardeners so no 80% resistances. You only run one PG? What do you run in the second slot? oh, make that 2. First some reason i thought right side was only one slot. but still. the left isn't ok lol, was gonna say They really ruined fit diversity for vehicles when they removed the skills that gives you extra PG and CPU (at least, I think that used to be a skill) Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, DUST Pariah Flight Academy coming soon(tm) to my Youtube channel
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 98	Posted - 2014.11.21 17:59:00 - [20] - Quote Touch my Python again and I will unleash XT-1 rain on every single one of you! Python pilot

Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 13861	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:13:00 - [21] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the proposed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS.<.DS.>>.Tank>.Tank.>>.infantry.>.AVx2.<.<.DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. I'm willing to bet that you lost to an ADS Pilot a few times and automatically came to the conclusion that ADSs were somewhat overpowered. No, I haven't seen the proposed missile changes. As it stands however, no I don't think there should be a buff to AV as a whole, just to certain variants that are underperforming (NFG, SSL, ASL, SAG, etc). The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2597	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:27:00 - [22] - Quote The "proposed missile changes" OP is referring to is the thread I made suggesting changes to the missiles and ADS bonuses that Rattati commented on. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 390	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:28:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim 8D I loose to them all the time. I can't get 4 shots out fast enough to stop them from ohking me.. and they are probably not over powered, but I believe av is up. At the very least swarms could use a little more force (knock back) to give some room for a second lock and to prevent people from running directly into avers. I mean with a FG you can direct the shot to direct the ds away or into a building, but It isn't only ads, have you tried to take down a well fit tank lately it is pointless. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:28:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim 8D I loose to them all the time. I can't get 4 shots out fast enough to stop them from ohking me.. and they are probably not over powered, but I believe av is up. At the very least swarms could use a little more force (knock back) to give some room for a second lock and to prevent people from running directly into avers and ohking them. I mean with a FG you can direct the shot to direct the ds away or into a building, but It isn't only ads, have you tried to take down a well fit tank lately it is pointless. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 899	Posted - 2014.11.22 21:41:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Sir Snugglz wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: but that dosnt help much when against high SP ADS pilots with full proto mods getting 80% resist to explosive with maybe 10 second downtime on that. Fun fact, aside from the ONE XT-1 Missile Turret and ONE Complex PG Module, the rest of the modules are a mixer of basic and enhanced stuff. Not because i dont want all proto stuff, but because there is not enough PG/CPU to fit all that fun stuff. Secondly, I dont use hardeners so no 80% resistances. You only run one PG? What do you run in the second slot? I just checked. there aint no second slot fool -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1097	Posted - 2014.11.22 21:50:00 - [26] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the proposed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS.<.DS.>>.Tank>.Tank.>>.infantry.>.AVx2.<.<.DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. I heaven't been killed by an ADS in over a month. Chocolate Juice
Lloyd Orfay SHAKING BABIES FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 229	Posted - 2014.11.22 22:22:00 - [27] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again? Have you guys seen the proposed missile turret changes? With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV? What do you guys think the balance will look like DS.<.DS.>>.Tank>.Tank.>>.infantry.>.AVx2.<.<.DS I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it. "AV is still so ineffective that we already see it" You've been living under a rock, patrick. Vehicles have been used to farm WP, because AV is far stronger than them. Only those that really skilled into the vehicle tree survive. Same case for ADS. Gets 1-2 hit by missile turrets from tanks, and rail gun turrets Rendering issues with forgegun projectiles, and missiles from swarms make them invisible, causing ADS pilots to be shot at random by invisible shots. Players that rooftopcamp will immediately bring out AV to make a battle one sided, and if you take out your ADS to stop them, another will take their ADS, sneak up on you, and kill you. Same for tanks. It's sad to know that a particle cannon equipped tank can just go up and easily shoot the ass off your tank without you knowing.... In CQC, even if you're trying to do something GOOD. Months of AV and scout abuse, still nothing being done about it.
Dauth Jenkins Heaven's Lost Property Negative-Feedback 566	Posted - 2014.11.24 06:53:00 - [28] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Atiim 8D I loose to them all the time. I can't get 4 shots out fast enough to stop them from ohking me.. and they are probably not over powered, but I believe av is up. At the very least swarms could use a little more force (knock back) to give some room for a second lock and to prevent people from running directly into avers and ohking them. I mean with a FG you can direct the shot to direct the ds away or into a building, but It isn't only ads, have you tried to take down a well fit tank lately it is pointless. More knockback? Are you crazy? Ive already been killed many times when my myron takes 1 set of swarms to the wrong area and it throws me into the ground, killing me. And thats with a Myron! -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Blueprint For Murder Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.11.24 07:05:00 - [29] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Atiim 8D I loose to them all the time. I can't get 4 shots out fast enough to stop them from ohking me.. and they are probably not over powered, but I believe av is up. At the very least swarms could use a little more force (knock back) to give some room for a second lock and to prevent people from running directly into avers and ohking them. I mean with a FG you can direct the shot to direct the ds away or into a building, but It isn't only ads, have you tried to take down a well fit tank lately it is pointless it takes more AVers then you are going to get. More knockback? Are you crazy? Ive already been killed many times when my myron takes 1 set of swarms to the wrong area and it throws me into the ground, killing me. And thats with a Myron! I am a pilot as much as I am an AVer or more and go through at least 1 dropship a match Uplinks/AV>Sent/Mobile Turret>Assassin=Assault. I don't feel any knock back when I am hit by swarms a forge gun on the other hand is quite a danger. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 401	Posted - 2014.11.24 07:05:00 - [30] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: Atiim 8D I loose to them all the time. I can't get 4 shots out fast enough to stop them from ohking me.. and they are probably not over powered, but I believe av is up. At the very least swarms could use a little more force (knock back) to give some room for a second lock and to prevent people from running directly into avers and ohking them. I mean with a FG you can direct the shot to direct the ds away or into a building, but It isn't only ads, have you tried to take down a well fit tank lately it is pointless it takes more AVers then you are going to get. More knockback? Are you crazy? Ive already been killed many times when my myron takes 1 set of swarms to the wrong area and it throws me into the ground, killing me. And thats with a Myron! I am a pilot as much as I am an AVer or more and go through at least 1 dropship a match Uplinks/AV>Sent/Mobile Turret>Assassin=Assault. I don't feel any knock back when I am hit by swarms a forge gun on the other hand is quite a danger. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc



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