Is it just me or is there a ton of ads in every match and that they have the ability to ohk again?
Have you guys seen the proposed missile turret changes?
With the planned changes to you think that they should buff AV?
What do you guys think the balance will look like DS.<.DS.>>.Tank>.Tank.>>.infantry.>.AVx2.<.<.DS

I personally dread the thought of a few pilots being able to completely control the field because AV is still so ineffective that we already see it.

Isnt that good?

they need to unerf our reps and/or hardeners, those were nerfed before AV was buffed in an attempt to remedy weaker AV vs ADS.. then they nerfed those and that plus the 1.9 SL was an overkill for many pilots.. tho i dont cry much about current hard mode, i kinda like it sometimes when you do tank a crap ton of AV and still pull off a good flight it feels good to know you did it in 1.9

ADS pilots have already been crippled enough.

Unkillable installations, swarm buffs and nerfs to missiles are enough. Let them breathe, holy sh*t. Tanks are already ruined, let's not kill ADS too.

1 yes, but 2 is already a maybe and I wouldn't want to stay for long because anything else can take me out. Standard and MLT swarms I can take ADV and above I'm out. Would rather swoop in like a hawk and claw them up little by little.

Okay, SOMEONE in this thread is intelligent. I was starting to think this was some kind of moron circlejerk.

I mean, have any of you saying that you can't fight Dropships actually tried flying one? Even with the reductions to Swarm turning speed, the high rate of fire and reload speed means that there can be enough Swarms in the air to kill me before I can even react.

Also, 80% resists with 10 second cooldown? Are you nuts? The Complex Hardener has a cooldown of 60 seconds, and with max skills you can only bring that down to 45 seconds. Also, there's a stacking penalty on shield hardeners, so running 2 at the same time does NOT give you 80% resistance.

The Myron and Grimsnes are rendered unusable by current Swarm stats. I can get away from a single Swarm Launcher with a bit of armor damage on my Python, but with a Myron even if I turn on my afterburner I'll likely have 4-5 volleys in the air from just one guy before I can even get away. If it's two or more people, I might as well just jump out the moment they start shooting.

Before anyone tries to talk ****, that's a Myron with 3500 shield HP.

My previous post including a link to the actual maths for explosive profile, hardener and double hardener and how they interact with Swarm damage.

80% is a ridiculous figure, even for the old 60%, and Za'ki has repeatedly stated 95% for double hardening. I too would like to know how Za'ki (and anyone else spouting nonsense numbers) reaches these idiotic figures.

Double hardened vs swarms reduces total Swarm damage by 68.5%. A Wiyrkomi does 393.12 per volley under that before any damage mods or Commando bonus

With full damage potential (MinCom 5, 2x Complex Damage Mods) you get 311.46 per missile, or 1245.84 per volley (no reduction)
Vs shields: 996.67 per volley (20% reduction)
Vs one shield hardener: 747.52 per volley (52% total reduction: 40% reduction of the 80% left after the profile reduction)
Vs two shield hardeners: 490.36 per volley (68.5% total reduction: 34.4% reduction of the 48% left after the first hardener)

Happy maths everyone.

I listen to music while playing most of the time so I can't really hear them, I need to depend on visuals but I can't do that either because of invisible swarms. Basically, I can't get into my jam...

I didn't do any math for this so feel free to correct me if I am mistaken. It takes 16 + swarms to drop a ds with adv so with the pro 15% + mk. com 10% bonus your are prolly looking at one less shot which is huge.

The reason I suggested AV may need a buff is because the situations in which AVers are exposed are not comparable with the vehicles. When an AVer fires he is a easy kill target on everyones radar including the pilot of the vehicle and the reason the TTK should be shortened or mechanics added to shield them should be instated like: Mount/Dismount Timer for vehicles to stop pilots from dropping out with an hmg, and added knockback to swarms to make it harder for ads to OHK av.