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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 5985	Posted - 2014.11.20 02:42:00 - [31] - Quote No cloak elitism is actually a response to scout elitism which became majorly popular after the cloak was released because then everyone who had sucked with the scout suddenly became decent and these new scouts thought themselves better than other suits because they still thought that scouts were hard to use because of old Dust history. Even though now scouts are easily the easiest suits to learn how to use. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Operative 1174 Uuali the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 101	Posted - 2014.11.20 03:48:00 - [32] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Seriously, it seems like everyone just wants to tell me that I'm a scrub whilst saying how hardcore they are because they don't use a cloak. Not one person has given me a decent reason why they don't use a cloak; it's always 'cloak is for scrubs'. I get sick of this elitist bs. 'Oh, you don't use a cloak? I must avert my gaze, I am not worthy to look upon your clone! #toohardcore4me'. If someone asks me if I use cloak, I know exactly what's coming next: 'I don't use cloak because cloak is for scrubs omg git gud scrub lololololololololol!'. - _ - 'Oh, I'm sorry for using a piece of equipment that was designed for my role, and that I get a bonus to. Guess I'm just an idiot!' Not using a cloak on a Scout is like not using a SCR/LR on an Amarr Assault, or not using Knives on a Min Scout, because then it becomes EEEEEEEZZZZZZZ mode! Just please, stop the elitist bs. I use a cloak. Get. Over. It. /endrant You answered your own question. Cloak is for scrubs. You and just about anyone that wants to bother can easily do sht with it. Nothing special, fundamentally changes the kind of game this is otherwise attempting to be and rewards lazy, power playing retrds. The game was fine without it. Plenty of people were willing to run ninja tactics. It is as if Goodwill provided free shipping and a pickup service for your used, unwanted crap instead of you driving to dump it yourself. I have no respect for that kind of person. Hopefully, this player base can be quality enough to agree with that and be a cut above the trash. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 60	Posted - 2014.11.20 04:00:00 - [33] - Quote I've never done this directly, personally I just feel that there are better uses of the CPU and PG for me. The cloak just isn't for me. The little Min with the little voice.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1975	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:56:00 - [34] - Quote Probably because all the good scout players used scouts when they were more scout and less assault and didn't have cloaks. Could also have something to do with how bs remotes are and if your not fitting them your a scrub. I dunno, take your pick. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 345	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:16:00 - [35] - Quote Despite changes, the cloak is just broken in different ways people that do not use it play the same game as everyone else while cloak users do not. Side note: all of the changes meant to effect scouts have been not only ineffectual, but seemingly counter productive worse their are more to come. I wouldn't worry though the added shield penalty might finally kill no cloak scouts and in turn side arm scouts. So instead of restricting scouts to side arms everyone gets to play scout how they want if they are cloaked shotguners. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 347	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:16:00 - [36] - Quote Despite changes, the cloak is just broken in different ways people that do not use it play the same game as everyone else while cloak users do not. Side note: all of the changes meant to effect scouts have been not only ineffectual, but seemingly counter productive worse there are more to come. I wouldn't worry about it to much though the added shield penalty might finally kill no cloak scouts and in turn side arm scouts. So instead of restricting scouts to side arms everyone gets to play scout the way they want as long as what they want is to play a cloaked shotgun scout. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Vicious Minotaur 1362	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:39:00 - [37] - Quote I don't see any of this elitism. Maybe my missing eye has something to do with it. Regardless, I have stated and will continue to state that I run all of my scouts without a cloak, not out of some elitist attitude, but rather context. There is a distinct difference between those that cloak and those that do not, just like there is a difference between running two sidearms vs. running a rifle/sidearm combo. Contrary to popular belief among many here in GD, fittings matter. And last I checked, cloaks are something you fit. I am a minotaur.
Reign Omega T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1015	Posted - 2014.11.20 07:07:00 - [38] - Quote Remember mgs 2 when you had to getting 198 unique I.d tags to unlock stealth camouflage? By the time you unlocked it you were so familiar with the game and its nuances you were basically using it for fun? Intro cloak field: the scout tool that good scouts don't need and that pissy scouts use to keep pace. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
Jathniel G I A N T 1277	Posted - 2014.11.20 07:39:00 - [39] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Seriously, it seems like everyone just wants to tell me that I'm a scrub whilst saying how hardcore they are because they don't use a cloak. Not one person has given me a decent reason why they don't use a cloak; it's always 'cloak is for scrubs'. I get sick of this elitist bs. 'Oh, you don't use a cloak? I must avert my gaze, I am not worthy to look upon your clone! #toohardcore4me'. If someone asks me if I use cloak, I know exactly what's coming next: 'I don't use cloak because cloak is for scrubs omg git gud scrub lololololololololol!'. - _ - 'Oh, I'm sorry for using a piece of equipment that was designed for my role, and that I get a bonus to. Guess I'm just an idiot!' Not using a cloak on a Scout is like not using a SCR/LR on an Amarr Assault, or not using Knives on a Min Scout, because then it becomes EEEEEEEZZZZZZZ mode! Just please, stop the elitist bs. I use a cloak. Get. Over. It. /endrant The best one is "No cloak! Only nova knife! Thuggin'4life! Word!" get real Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2048	Posted - 2014.11.20 07:46:00 - [40] - Quote You get two SG blasts off while you're still cloaked, which is contrary to Rattati's stated intentions and obviously broken. It is similar to running people over in a LLAV in 2013 - yes it is effective, but it is also scrubby.

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2649	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:26:00 - [41] - Quote Because being the Scout that flanks the opponents and shoots them is objectively easier with a Cloak than without one. That is why people will say they are better because they don't use one. It is the same concept behind the person that doesn't use power tools to build a desk because "it just makes it easier." To paraphrase Preacher: "we are going to do it the easy way, not because we are lazy but because we are smart. Morons do things the hard way just because they are harder." The other is the concept of "I did this for so long and now that it is the popular thing, I look like I am getting in on the bandwagon." This happened in the change to 1.7 from 1.6; "I have been Tanking for a year but now that it is so much better everyone is doing it and I look like a FotM chaser! Uhh, real Tankers don't use Blasters!" Wait, Railguns are getting all the hate? "Real Tankers don't use Railguns!" "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
The Master Race Immortal Guides 347	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:35:00 - [42] - Quote Cheat codes and hacks are pretty easy also, but why don't we use them? It is easier isn't it. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 347	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:35:00 - [43] - Quote Cheat codes and hacks are pretty easy also, but why don't we use them? It is easier isn't it. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1192	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:39:00 - [44] - Quote Cloaks don't win matches. Uplinks, nanohives and nanite injectors win matches. That is all. Amarrica! killed again has ebola
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2650	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:40:00 - [45] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: Cheat codes and hacks are pretty easy also, but why don't we use them? It is easier isn't it. The line originated from one of World of Warcraft's two different play styles of a given class. A was more difficult to do than B but both did X DPS. Ergo, using A was not the lazy choice but the smarter one. Obviously, you can expand it past the argument of 'don't use Cloaks because it is harder' is silly you can get into slippery slope fallacy of "well, it is easier to steal than work so why don't you do that?!" "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 353	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:42:00 - [46] - Quote I only started using cloaks when these elitist attitudes popped up... Before then I was a light frame w/ shotty. It was easy believe it or not... *"There is only one thing I regret, that is only giving one life to my state." - Viktor Revon*
The Master Race Immortal Guides 347	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:43:00 - [47] - Quote We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. - JFK The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 347	Posted - 2014.11.20 08:43:00 - [48] - Quote We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. - JFK I get it though this nearly skill less play style is not only allowed, but it is promoted for what ever reason so why not. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2652	Posted - 2014.11.20 09:05:00 - [49] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. - JFK I get it though this nearly skill less play style is not only allowed, but it is promoted for what ever reason so why not. Yes, I am aware of the quote. The "we do this not because we are lazy but because we are smart" is a reference to that quote. That being said; Equating using a Scout without a Cloak to Kennedy's declaration about going to the moon is absolutely hysterical. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact 6034	Posted - 2014.11.20 09:14:00 - [50] - Quote Why do you care what the people you don't like say about you? NEG1 EVE 21 Day Trial Viktor's 3rd Party Services

Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 331	Posted - 2014.11.20 10:22:00 - [51] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Why do you care what the people you don't like say about you? Most intelligent sentence I've read in this forum so far! Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 347	Posted - 2014.11.20 10:33:00 - [52] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. - JFK I get it though this nearly skill less play style is not only allowed, but it is promoted for what ever reason so why not. Yes, I am aware of the quote. The "we do this not because we are lazy but because we are smart" is a reference to that quote. That being said; Equating using a Scout without a Cloak to Kennedy's declaration about going to the moon is absolutely hysterical. Ikr Pot meet kettle :D I know you were only quoting, but the quote was the reason I posted this. I felt it was a insult to JFK and wanted to make sure everyone was able to read the quote unsullied. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
The Master Race Immortal Guides 358	Posted - 2014.11.20 10:33:00 - [53] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. - JFK I get it though this nearly skill less play style is not only allowed, but it is promoted for what ever reason so why not. Yes, I am aware of the quote. The "we do this not because we are lazy but because we are smart" is a reference to that quote. That being said; Equating using a Scout without a Cloak to Kennedy's declaration about going to the moon is absolutely hysterical. Ikr Pot meet kettle :D I know you were only quoting, but the quote was the reason I posted this. I felt it was a insult to JFK and wanted to make sure everyone was able to read the quote unsullied. The Impossible Dream-Wizard Talk @MMoMerc
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 152	Posted - 2014.11.20 12:19:00 - [54] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I only started using cloaks when these elitist attitudes popped up... Before then I was a light frame w/ shotty. It was easy believe it or not... I had 2 points in scouts when it was brought in. Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
Luna McDuffing COALICION LATINA Top Men. 95	Posted - 2014.11.20 14:09:00 - [55] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Scouts receive a bonus to fit cloaking modules... it's kind of their thing. "Lol only scrubs use things intended for their dropsuit" They probably only fit sidearms to their sentinels too To be fair though the cloak is the only module/equipment item specifically intended for use by one single dropsuit. I mean how would a scout like it if Assault got Jump Jets and flew off every time they put one shotgun round into them? Jump jets you say?! hhhhmmmm!!!!! (rubs beard with left hand and smirk devilishly)
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 973	Posted - 2014.11.20 14:44:00 - [56] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: 1.6 scouts had a level of pride due to the amount of suffering they went though. 150 hp perma scanned no cloaks. Yet there were still scouts that stabbed their ways through entire masses. Would you say they were... Stabbing Westward? CB Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou CIO ("Proto Forum Warrior") Learning Coalition & RTG
Maken Tosch Dust University Ivy League 10292	Posted - 2014.11.20 15:14:00 - [57] - Quote I only use a cloak if I absolutely have to for a given situation. Thankfully, that situation has yet to present itself. I don't really see it as a scrub tool because the scout suit is designed to take advantage of the cloak. Anyways, I just don't use it anymore because it has certain disadvantages that don't make it ideal for me anymore. The shimmer it makes when you move at all is the primary reason I don't use it anymore. It's not apparent in a brightly-lit setting, but when you're in a dark area where the shimmer has a high contrast against it then you become lit up like a Christmas Tree in New York City. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 675	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:23:00 - [58] - Quote Likes have been dispensed Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'maize'
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 335	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:42:00 - [59] - Quote Dreis Shadowweaver wrote: Seriously, it seems like everyone just wants to tell me that I'm a scrub whilst saying how hardcore they are because they don't use a cloak. Not one person has given me a decent reason why they don't use a cloak; it's always 'cloak is for scrubs'. I get sick of this elitist bs. 'Oh, you don't use a cloak? I must avert my gaze, I am not worthy to look upon your clone! #toohardcore4me'. If someone asks me if I use cloak, I know exactly what's coming next: 'I don't use cloak because cloak is for scrubs omg git gud scrub lololololololololol!'. - _ - 'Oh, I'm sorry for using a piece of equipment that was designed for my role, and that I get a bonus to. Guess I'm just an idiot!' Not using a cloak on a Scout is like not using a SCR/LR on an Amarr Assault, or not using Knives on a Min Scout, because then it becomes EEEEEEEZZZZZZZ mode! Just please, stop the elitist bs. I use a cloak. Get. Over. It. /endrant If I don't use cloak and die a lot it's ok because I'm hardcore The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 3016	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:46:00 - [60] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Scouts receive a bonus to fit cloaking modules... it's kind of their thing. "Lol only scrubs use things intended for their dropsuit" They probably only fit sidearms to their sentinels too To be fair though the cloak is the only module/equipment item specifically intended for use by one single dropsuit. I mean how would a scout like it if Assault got Jump Jets and flew off every time they put one shotgun round into them? Not exactly right. A cloak can be used on any suit that can fit it (I've seen logi and assaults use it). That said, an HMG or Forge can only go an heavy or sentinel suits. You got 160 CPU lying around on any suit you have? Yes, it can be done. I've done it, and as I said I've seen others do it. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning



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