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el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 537	Posted - 2014.11.22 01:02:00 - [91] - Quote One more (since I went and did something else and thought of it): -Since we can't code in an inability to deploy equipment around depots how about coding an inability to bring up the equipment menu while in proximity of a depot? Could the coders handle that? Since they can handle (apparently) coding in BW and making sure the numbers always work, like Amarr Logi uplink bonuses? Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 537	Posted - 2014.11.22 01:06:00 - [92] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Vell0cet wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: I think I need to elaborate my point! My problem is that my uplinks (most of them or all when spawning heavy) are DESTROYED. In EVE when you leave your drones in space, do they explode? No they don't you can pick them up in a certain timeframe. It should not be different in Dust. If you switch to a suit with less bandwith, the stuff you put down in a logi suit, should just DEACTIVATE !!! So if you switch back to logi, everything starts to work as before! This is the only way to not punish logies that do not want to play in one role for the whole game. There have been enough games where my 6! upliks that I deploy at every game start have made a difference. My being a dedicated maxed AV minmando is obviously helping as well. Why should I be punished when everybody else can switch with no consequences. The only thing I don't want is the DESTRUCTION of the EQUIPMENT. DEACTIVATION while in a low bandwith suit is FINE! And to fight the spam, we need a hardcap of deployed equipment for every Suit, including a logi! I have played logi exclusively for my first year in dust (since open beta) so I know what I'm talking about. No logi needs more than 10 pieces of Equipment on the ground. If he switches to Assautl, only 4 of those would stay active. If he switches to Commando only 3 would stay active. If he switches to Scout, only 2. And the Fatty would only have one or maybe even nothing active. As soon as he switches back to Logi, everything starts working again (if not destroyed inbetwheen). This would encourage strategic placing of stuff, so that if your close to objective links get destroyed and you are in a low bandwith suit, the older links get reactivated automaticly up to the bandwith limit. This would be a fair solution. Because you wouldn't want to be locked to one role. If stuff above bandwith is DESTROYED, I demand that no suit exept logis can use EQUIPMENT AT ALL. When I have to stay in my Suit the whole game to keep my stuff on the field, nobody else should be able to do part time logi aswell by putting down equipment! If you wanted this to work like EVE, you'd have to approach each piece of deactivated equipment and re-activate it. Not everything in here has to work exactly like EVE. If EVE mechanics were that great after all this time that game would be way bigger, not to knock EVE but jus' sayin'. I agree that not everything has to work like EVE. Which is why I love the way CCP Rattati wants to do it. My point was that if they were to implement an activation/reactivation mechanic because it was more like EVE, then you'd have to manually reactivate stuff. Cool, I get that. I just cringe when people point at EVE sometimes and insist what happens here mechanically should automatically be identical to how it works there mechanically. I actually kinda like the deactivation/reactivation element and think it could allow for some creative expansion of the reptool's ability, maybe as the device used to reactivate dormant gear OR hack dormant equipment from the enemy side. Could be cool. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2060	Posted - 2014.11.22 01:27:00 - [93] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: Neither seem like a great solution especially when applied to pc..how many players would have to run dedicated spawns in order for pc ..at least 1 per objective......yall enjoy that That good sir is called opportunity cost and is very much a part of tactical game play. Choosing how to invest your limited resources in a synergistic manner that best supports your plan of action is, for my 0.02 ISK, exactly what competitive game modes like PC should require of their teams and team leaders. If the choices or trade offs were easy/consequence free they would lack substance and relevance. pc isnt competative, its just an isk farm propped up by mule corps to block other corps hitting the parent corp. competative would be bringing back Corp vs Corp but as there is too muck isk flow from pubs+PC and FW isnt stemming that tide CvC would have to have no isk payouts.. but perhaps a FW style salvage system.. and can be played at anytime when 2 corps decide to Epeen joust to see whos got the bigger D*** and/or bankroll.. as incentive maybe have the corp gain/lose ranks for win/lose.. and maybe have prizes for those who are in the top 3.. like bronze silver and gold.. each "season" is 1 month long. and corps cannot bring in "ringers" unless they have been a member of the corp for atleast a full season and/or joins the corp before the next season to actually count for that corp.. this could open a market for actually hireing players for a month to fight for the corp.. bringing some "mercenary" aspect to the players [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 343	Posted - 2014.11.22 01:52:00 - [94] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I agree that not everything has to work like EVE. Which is why I love the way CCP Rattati wants to do it. My point was that if they were to implement an activation/reactivation mechanic because it was more like EVE, then you'd have to manually reactivate stuff. In eve you just warp to a place and clickeldiclick its put in your cargo and then in the drones bay again... If we could do that on the map, no problem. And there was something invented in the last century called radio links... we don't need to go back to the 18th century and flick switches on our hives and links. But really, I'm getting tired of this mess. CCP tries to fix something in a horribly complicated way, without fixing the real issue. I think it's time to think about something else, to bring logis back. Make certain equipment only usable by certain Suits. Logis: everything except cloaks Assaults: Compact hives (only one carried) and injectors. Commandos: Ammo hives and remotes (they area denial and AV). Scouts: Cloaks and Uplinks (only 2 on the ground at any time and only 5 spawns per link, the good links are coming with the logis) Heavies: Nada, they have (should have) logi friends. All repping (except the compact hives of the Assaults) Is done by logis. All active scanning is also done by the logis alone. If you switch your suit, all stuff that is not compatible with the new suit, makes boom. Have fun with LOGI 514 Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4668	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:11:00 - [95] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: Oh, and John? If you don't feel that responding to me is in your best interest I'm ok with that. I'll continue pointing out where you're illogical or incorrect and you can sit mute with nothing to say just like anyone else who's entirely bloated on their own opinion and has the flaws in it made readily apparent for anyone else who comes along to see. If, that's how you want to be. Well, considering that, instead of an actual proposal for EQ spam, you repeated the same off-topic ideas I predicted you would, I think I'm good. It's too bad you wouldn't rather take this idea and improve upon it with ones that actually have some merit in exploring, like the reviving EQ with reptools concept. Instead you dismiss it out of hand, propose fixes to unrelated things, or perseverate on solutions that are not workable. Speaking of which, if you'd like to sit there with your fingers in your ears yelling "lalalala I can't hear you" until CCP Glinda finally admits that, yes Dorothy, we had the power all along, we just didn't want to make the three mouse clicks necessary to enact the installation radius thing, we were just trolling... you go ahead and do that. I'm moving on to find something we can fix. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 537	Posted - 2014.11.22 03:52:00 - [96] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Slave of MORTE wrote: Neither seem like a great solution especially when applied to pc..how many players would have to run dedicated spawns in order for pc ..at least 1 per objective......yall enjoy that That good sir is called opportunity cost and is very much a part of tactical game play. Choosing how to invest your limited resources in a synergistic manner that best supports your plan of action is, for my 0.02 ISK, exactly what competitive game modes like PC should require of their teams and team leaders. If the choices or trade offs were easy/consequence free they would lack substance and relevance. pc isnt competative, its just an isk farm propped up by mule corps to block other corps hitting the parent corp. competative would be bringing back Corp vs Corp but as there is too muck isk flow from pubs+PC and FW isnt stemming that tide CvC would have to have no isk payouts.. but perhaps a FW style salvage system.. and can be played at anytime when 2 corps decide to Epeen joust to see whos got the bigger D*** and/or bankroll.. as incentive maybe have the corp gain/lose ranks for win/lose.. and maybe have prizes for those who are in the top 3.. like bronze silver and gold.. each "season" is 1 month long. and corps cannot bring in "ringers" unless they have been a member of the corp for atleast a full season and/or joins the corp before the next season to actually count for that corp.. this could open a market for actually hireing players for a month to fight for the corp.. bringing some "mercenary" aspect to the players pfffft... You can quit that bit right there. PC is competitive as hell, the player population is low more than anything else because pubstar scrubcorps try it and get utterly squashed by actual true protos and then are scared of actually ever competing. This is not a statement against a reintroduction of Corp Battles in some form, but the crap about PC not being competitive and just being an isk farm is bs, as anyone who actually competes knows. Yeah, there's bs corps set up as and for constant farms but thats not PC. Thats farming. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 538	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:01:00 - [97] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Oh, and John? If you don't feel that responding to me is in your best interest I'm ok with that. I'll continue pointing out where you're illogical or incorrect and you can sit mute with nothing to say just like anyone else who's entirely bloated on their own opinion and has the flaws in it made readily apparent for anyone else who comes along to see. If, that's how you want to be. Well, considering that, instead of an actual proposal for EQ spam, you repeated the same off-topic ideas I predicted you would, I think I'm good. It's too bad you wouldn't rather take this idea and improve upon it with ones that actually have some merit in exploring, like the reviving EQ with reptools concept. Instead you dismiss it out of hand, propose fixes to unrelated things, or perseverate on solutions that are not workable. Speaking of which, if you'd like to sit there with your fingers in your ears yelling "lalalala I can't hear you" until CCP Glinda finally admits that, yes Dorothy, we had the power all along, we just didn't want to make the three mouse clicks necessary to enact the installation radius thing, we were just trolling... you go ahead and do that. I'm moving on to find something we can fix. Actually there're several on-topics there and all are relevent in fashion or another. I'm not plugging my ears bro, I hear whats coming loud and clear and don't like it, hence my constant drumbeat of "BW will suck". I've stated my why and how and so far I haven't heard much about those from you except variants of, " I like it so you should too". CCP Glinda I'm sure is the same hook that spent weeks saying, "No No Theres no way to create any sort of sliding sensitivity for profile across range" but hell if there ain't a recent thread that says, "Well, actually we can now we just didn't know how before" and explains that it was intentionally kept quiet. There's no place like Logic, There's no place like Logic, There's no place like Logic..... Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
korrah silain True Illuminate 10	Posted - 2014.11.22 04:07:00 - [98] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Oh, and John? If you don't feel that responding to me is in your best interest I'm ok with that. I'll continue pointing out where you're illogical or incorrect and you can sit mute with nothing to say just like anyone else who's entirely bloated on their own opinion and has the flaws in it made readily apparent for anyone else who comes along to see. If, that's how you want to be. Well, considering that, instead of an actual proposal for EQ spam, you repeated the same off-topic ideas I predicted you would, I think I'm good. It's too bad you wouldn't rather take this idea and improve upon it with ones that actually have some merit in exploring, like the reviving EQ with reptools concept. Instead you dismiss it out of hand, propose fixes to unrelated things, or perseverate on solutions that are not workable. Speaking of which, if you'd like to sit there with your fingers in your ears yelling "lalalala I can't hear you" until CCP Glinda finally admits that, yes Dorothy, we had the power all along, we just didn't want to make the three mouse clicks necessary to enact the installation radius thing, we were just trolling... you go ahead and do that. I'm moving on to find something we can fix. Actually there're several on-topics there and all are relevent in fashion or another. I'm not plugging my ears bro, I hear whats coming loud and clear and don't like it, hence my constant drumbeat of "BW will suck". I've stated my why and how and so far I haven't heard much about those from you except variants of, " I like it so you should too". CCP Glinda I'm sure is the same hook that spent weeks saying, "No No Theres no way to create any sort of sliding sensitivity for profile across range" but hell if there ain't a recent thread that says, "Well, actually we can now we just didn't know how before" and explains that it was intentionally kept quiet. There's no place like Logic, There's no place like Logic, There's no place like Logic..... You haven't said **** except I don't like it cuz it doesn't let people switch suits. Seriously if its on topic post it here don't expect people to go crawling through a 59 page thread and then saying oh well pfft if you don't know that's your problem. It is your responsibility to present your arguments here if you have them otherwise you are doing just as jhon says you are.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 538	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:06:00 - [99] - Quote korrah silain wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: Oh, and John? If you don't feel that responding to me is in your best interest I'm ok with that. I'll continue pointing out where you're illogical or incorrect and you can sit mute with nothing to say just like anyone else who's entirely bloated on their own opinion and has the flaws in it made readily apparent for anyone else who comes along to see. If, that's how you want to be. Well, considering that, instead of an actual proposal for EQ spam, you repeated the same off-topic ideas I predicted you would, I think I'm good. It's too bad you wouldn't rather take this idea and improve upon it with ones that actually have some merit in exploring, like the reviving EQ with reptools concept. Instead you dismiss it out of hand, propose fixes to unrelated things, or perseverate on solutions that are not workable. Speaking of which, if you'd like to sit there with your fingers in your ears yelling "lalalala I can't hear you" until CCP Glinda finally admits that, yes Dorothy, we had the power all along, we just didn't want to make the three mouse clicks necessary to enact the installation radius thing, we were just trolling... you go ahead and do that. I'm moving on to find something we can fix. Actually there're several on-topics there and all are relevent in fashion or another. I'm not plugging my ears bro, I hear whats coming loud and clear and don't like it, hence my constant drumbeat of "BW will suck". I've stated my why and how and so far I haven't heard much about those from you except variants of, " I like it so you should too". CCP Glinda I'm sure is the same hook that spent weeks saying, "No No Theres no way to create any sort of sliding sensitivity for profile across range" but hell if there ain't a recent thread that says, "Well, actually we can now we just didn't know how before" and explains that it was intentionally kept quiet. There's no place like Logic, There's no place like Logic, There's no place like Logic..... You haven't said **** except I don't like it cuz it doesn't let people switch suits. Seriously if its on topic post it here don't expect people to go crawling through a 59 page thread and then saying oh well pfft if you don't know that's your problem. It is your responsibility to present your arguments here if you have them otherwise you are doing just as jhon says you are. Ohhh dude, I'm so sorry. First and foremost^ I'm not ignoring you (or anyone else), I've been at work this entire time doing work, then reading what I can and posting where I can, and am right now literally in the car to go home doing this since I've realized I never responded to you. Don't mistake the "banter" between John and I, its actually been going for quite awhile here and there. That thread I referred you to has some of it. Second, this isn't actually the thread for my explaining my self, it's Apoth's for him to explain his self and his classic Apoth TMZ title. John and I have been going back and forth in here and other threads, mostly on the BW topic. That being said, hopefully he doesn't mind if I do threadjack a little bit for a minute. The thread for BW feedback we know where it is and my feedback is there too. In response to your points tho: 1. No, of course I do not think only Logis should be discussing the issue of equipment spam. It's everyones problem, and the solutions to it should really work for everyone. I did ask that you read the Logi/Support thread, which if you do you'll see that I am a minority voice in there that it too is not Logi exclusive, so that it could put some context to my BW comments which you labeled as, "frivolous" rather out of hand. 2. Equipment spam needs a solution, yes, however that certain types of Logistical play should be the sacrificial payment for that solution is something I don't agree with. It isn't just a matter of switching suits. SPAM is the problem, not switching suits, SPAM should be what gets eliminated, NOT switching suits. There are other ideas for doing this in these very forums (hell I listed a bunch for John earlier) that wouldn't cost gameplay outside of eliminating perpetual damn SPAM! I DO NOT buy this brand of thinking that says, Well it nerfs everyone but nerfs me the least so its a great idea. Thats not ke, thats not who I am, not where I'm from. I BELIEVE Rattati and CCP can find another way unless they think that everyone is okay with THIS way. I am NOT okay with this way, and I am NOT alone. 3. About frivolity. Frivolity is a matter of perspective. You said you're a scout and would love to have your ewar when cloaked back and an extension on the decloaking animation. I, personally, consider the decloaking animation frivolous because I don't give two ***** about cloaks. Cloaks are fun, cloaks are cool, I am NOT skurred about fighting cloaked enemies. That's my perspective and why, on a topic you probably don't consider frivolous at all especially since in recent weeks you've borne the brunt of adjustments to it because of people QQing about it. Perspective is why I referred you to the Logi/Support thread, so you could read for yourself whats been going on now about reworking Logis for weeks and get some perspective as to where my utter disdain for BW is coming from, since its coming at tye same time as a whole bunch of other ideas very few of which I see as being beneficial enough for Logistics play! 4. I will add a 4th too, about Logistics play. There is a rampant school of thought that Logis belong anchored to heavies keeping beams on them, feeding them ammo and when they die, if they ask, reviving them. I do not attend this school. I am very effective at its techniques, top-caliber PC proven against PC teams NO ONE wanted to challenge, but do not come from that school. Limits? damn, ok page 2 inbound... Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 538	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:32:00 - [100] - Quote ok, 4 cont. I am an understudy of Sun Tzu's School of Upholstery. Specifically a student and practitioner of "Holding Down the Pillow". Here, in DUST, that means that while yes, I am absolutley committed to supporting my corpmate fatties and everyone else in my squad and team, I also am constantly engaged in Logistically ensuring that squad and team can keep control of the areas we want. Sometimes that does mean leaving my heavies with some hives to keep them warm, and trotting off to plant a minefield so tanks don't just barrell right in on us or another squad, setting a link/hive set for another group to spawn etc. This sort of thing is Team Support facilitated by Map Control through Tactical Combat Logistics work . It isn't easy, or a huge WP farm which is why not too many people do it. And the particulars of it change every match, depending on what sorts of opposition we face. And as the enemies adapt to overcome, I adapt to overcome. This methodology is why I am one of the few people rarely trapped behind a redline, and when the random skirm I'm in has my blueberries trapped I can get them out (sometimes. It is warfare after all, and there's little accounting for classic lack of wherewithal, mine or the blues) This methodology, while as adaptable as I am and am willing to be, will be seriously negatively impacted by BW limitations. That seriously negatively impacts what drew me HARD to this game in the first place, the Field Strategy aspect and the available tools to execute. I'm all for limiting SPAM, I hate to limit playstyle too, yes, admittedly, especially, part of mine . And before you rant at me a tirade of accusations that I hate scouts, I DON'T. I HATE the imbalanced nature of some of your base stats and that any idea to compensate is the end of the world for scouting, just like I hate that any "buff" to logis will suddenly spawn slayerlogis everywhere. BW, btw, IMO WILL bring back slayerlogi gameplay, since once those deployables are out, to preserve their effects, MANY members of my class will be donning their Tank Gank n Speed fits, Damage Mods piled, and start ripping through the unaware. We've been combat gimped for a long time and actively playing nice. When theres nothing left to do but gun though, they'll be out and they'll be blazing. okay, I'm done, again I apologise for not responding earlier. Don't take it personally. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.

korrah silain True Illuminate 11	Posted - 2014.11.22 06:37:00 - [101] - Quote Just real quick the scout thing while true I am a scout sometimes, I give few fucks about the cloak, I mainly use them for speed and ability to reposition in a fight the comment was sarcastic and rehtorical . And I don't take things personally it just seemed like all of your statements and arguments were lacking substance (again not going to trawll through59 pages of internet forums on game opinion...that way madness lies and I'm already quite mad tyvm) so in seeing your banter of self assuredness and assuming it was leveled at the entire idea of the discussion at hand reacted in a way that is shall we say beneath me. There now that we are on the same page I'll go back and read your number 4 OK now that civility has been restored, assuming you haven't mentioned alternatives here in this thread, for those of us unwilling to crack open a text book what would you suggest? (Besides limiting them away from depots, as I really doubt that would affect much at least alone)
bwd23 S.A.L.U.K.I. Capital Punishment. 0	Posted - 2014.11.22 11:35:00 - [102] - Quote repost from Rats thread, We all know something needs to be done about spam, however the BW idea is bad. Lets say as a logi I drop triage hives, uplinks, and PEs all in perfect spots. In the new meta when I die I can help the team much more by being afk in the redline than going to another role and having all that work disappear. The BW idea encourages afking. Now to my idea. have a 40 meter "red zone" around supply depots where equipment may not be dropped. I am positive this will get rid of nearly 90% of spam. Simple and effective!
korrah silain True Illuminate 11	Posted - 2014.11.22 11:49:00 - [103] - Quote bwd23 wrote: repost from Rats thread, We all know something needs to be done about spam, however the BW idea is bad. Lets say as a logi I drop triage hives, uplinks, and PEs all in perfect spots. In the new meta when I die I can help the team much more by being afk in the redline than going to another role and having all that work disappear. The BW idea encourages afking. Now to my idea. have a 40 meter "red zone" around supply depots where equipment may not be dropped. I am positive this will get rid of nearly 90% of spam. Simple and effective! I don't see it as promoting asking anymore than the current game does, in fact the suit switching is a big problem that feeds another problem(all the damn people dropping eq then switching to sentinals and murderstomping) so in that respect if you don't want to run in the logi suit then I would rather have you afk your ass at the red line than farm points by having all that eq while you play girilla sentinal. That being said 40 meters is a REALLY large area, and this could end up needing logis even harder on some maps. Simply put suit switching and being able to continually capitalize on eq is a big problem, and I suppose to reiterate and summarize the only way to stop it is to A) somehow link eq to the suit deployed so that switching destroys or disables the placed equipment B) somehow limit the amount of equipment certain suits can have out. B feels less limiting and is where the be system is comingfrom. If there is a third option to cure "tourist logis" then please by all means share, but to my mind this "play style" is what the bw system is meant to address Now to address your theory about the new meta: yes you could do nothing(taking at the redline) or you could continue to help your team by fighting/repping/reviving/redeploying burnt out eq. Hell if you are that afraid of dying after placing your eq you could just pick up a sniper rifle...
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 343	Posted - 2014.11.22 11:58:00 - [104] - Quote BTW, what's a tourist logi? Is it the same as a tourist scout, who was always running assault and now switches to scout when the enemy uses this fit? Or is it the same as a tourist heavy, who is also an assault, that get's his arse handed over to him by Sents and then thinks oh lets switch to a heavy frame...? This is just a rediculous discussion, that will NOT SOLVE THE SPAMMING PROBLEM WHATSOEVER! If you deny one role the strategic possibility of switching to another role, than its NOT BALANCED. If Logis loose deployed stuff when switching suits, NO OTHER SUIT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT PERIOD! Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
bwd23 S.A.L.U.K.I. Capital Punishment. 0	Posted - 2014.11.22 12:39:00 - [105] - Quote I do have an even easier solution which was my second choice. It even fixes two big problems at once, and yet again, simple. If you switch suits at supply you lose the suit. It does not count as a death, yet you lose one of that suit. It would make spamming or switching to refill HP very expensive quickly.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4681	Posted - 2014.11.22 12:46:00 - [106] - Quote . bwd23 wrote: I do have an even easier solution which was my second choice. It even fixes two big problems at once, and yet again, simple. If you switch suits at supply you lose the suit. It does not count as a death, yet you lose one of that suit. It would make spamming or switching to refill HP very expensive quickly. Yeah, even if you could do the radius thing, 40m is a ginormous area, on some maps it would make certain points very hard to defend. Your second idea I don't see as an improvement, certainly not from the logi side. Most complaints come from logis who want the option to switch to other suits if needed, This would come down even harder on them, not to mention the hammer on new players it represents. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
I-Shayz-I I----------I 5146	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:41:00 - [107] - Quote Better idea: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181929&find=unread 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 2079	Posted - 2014.11.22 14:45:00 - [108] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Better idea: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181929&find=unread i already looked over it and im against having tiny number of spawns per uplink its counter productive for having uplinks in tactical locations #[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 2 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
korrah silain True Illuminate 11	Posted - 2014.11.22 20:40:00 - [109] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: BTW, what's a tourist logi? Is it the same as a tourist scout, who was always running assault and now switches to scout when the enemy uses this fit? Or is it the same as a tourist heavy, who is also an assault, that get's his arse handed over to him by Sents and then thinks oh lets switch to a heavy frame...? This is just a rediculous discussion, that will NOT SOLVE THE SPAMMING PROBLEM WHATSOEVER! If you deny one role the strategic possibility of switching to another role, than its NOT BALANCED. If Logis loose deployed stuff when switching suits, NO OTHER SUIT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT PERIOD! Tourist logi: logi spawns in, drops eq spam, switches to sentinal at depot, plays sentinal while cashing in wp for eqs.
el OPERATOR Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 543	Posted - 2014.11.22 22:50:00 - [110] - Quote korrah silain wrote: Mad Syringe wrote: BTW, what's a tourist logi? Is it the same as a tourist scout, who was always running assault and now switches to scout when the enemy uses this fit? Or is it the same as a tourist heavy, who is also an assault, that get's his arse handed over to him by Sents and then thinks oh lets switch to a heavy frame...? This is just a rediculous discussion, that will NOT SOLVE THE SPAMMING PROBLEM WHATSOEVER! If you deny one role the strategic possibility of switching to another role, than its NOT BALANCED. If Logis loose deployed stuff when switching suits, NO OTHER SUIT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT PERIOD! Tourist logi: logi spawns in, drops eq spam, switches to sentinal at depot, plays sentinal while cashing in wp for eqs If you start arbitrarily limiting eq to suits we may as well be playing a crappy version of battlefield. BW kicks in, tactically map-wise we will be playing BF. Open-Beta Vet. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original. DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.



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