thats not the point, any logi worth their EOM paycheck will tell you they often change suit to combad a threat on the ever changing battle.. i flip to minmando send a few swarms at a target to drive them off and flip back to logi..

basically if this bandwidth NERF happens the only viable logi will be amarr logi in a god aweful fit of
swarm
sidearm
(obligatory tank moduals)
injector
rep
drop/ammo

all other logi would die off and the logi role would be even more under populated then it is now..

This is exactly my playstyle, and the bandwidth limit is a fantastic change imho. I chose to change my role to help my team by switching to AV. When I switch back to my Logi fit, I am only losing half of my deployed equipment, not all of it. I can now continue to redeploy my equipment as necessary, as opposed to just having it in places my squad is more than likely no longer at.

If anything, this makes Logis even more valuable, not the other way around.

And don't forget, iirc, this means that we will be able to carry more of each equipment item. This means less running to the supply depot in the heat of battle to restock.

*facepalm*

Wow, your total lack of insight just boggles the mind. A quote from an old TV show comes to mind:
"My god you are so dumb it makes me tired"

I am an Amarr logi. Please explain to me how your proposal helps me. It results in:
- me being able to use LESS equipment than I do now.
- still being able to use THE SAME amount as some spam monkey who only drops 6 uplinks at the start of a match, possibly from a scout suit, and never setting foot in a logi suit again for the rest of the battle?

How is that an improvement, exactly? You say yourself everyone will run some links. What bizarro world do you live in where that "protects" logis?




And before you employ your typical ignorant ad hominem "argument": Dont bother, I have been an Amarr logi since the suit was un-broken in 1.2 and was a "logi" (there was only one) in beta - Feel free to click the link in my signature. I also have 8 weapons to proto and am part of the original beta logi tradition of omnisoldiers. Do not presume to lecture me on how to do my job.

Quick idea just to toss out, but if the goal is to stop logis deploying passive support items and then swapping suits why not make the equipment pop if they spawn in in a suit that doesn't have a copy of the equipment? Then maybe find a way to limit the amount deployable per suit, maybe according to the highest "level" (not meta level, but standard/militia get one copy, adv gets 2 proto gets 3)
So for example a suit decides to equip an advanced uplink and a militia uplink would still be limited to two deployable at a time due to adv being his highest level, make the same rules with the hives, maybe allow double the number for Rex's...

Heck maybe you could switch the caldari and amarr bonus to possibly add a flat 1 activatable bonus at levels 1, 3, and 5 as well as the existing bonuses to further inscentivise their use...
Sorry if any of this is a retread...

well the problem isnt "logi" as such its People who arnt logi main useing logi suit to slap down dozens of uplinks and hives around suply depos and such...

myself as a logi i run as a legit logi just useing the hive/uplinks on the suit i choose to deploy as.. and sometimes i have to flip to an AV suit and back again to a logi suit.. if we took your idea it would basically kill the logi role as once a logi does a quick flip to be versatile and drive off a threat (which alot of bitter vets used to tell newer players to do, god damned hypocrites) mostlikly our uplinks would pop meaning all dead soldiers end up back at the MCC if its a hard match.. and being a hard match that would mean a complete loss off the flow of the battle and mean a 100% loss chance and battles would become stale and boring because there would be next to no active uplinks near the spawn point(s) to actually get any fights..

this would kill FW, kill PC, kill dom and skirm.. and only ambush would be left as a viable game mode with SOME action

it amazes me as to how narrow and short sighted alot of the playerbase is.. they have almost no idea WTF logi do while slayers slay and vehicles just run away from swarms and scouts with RE's... logi ARE the battle.. with out a logi there is no battle only getting redlined or CRU camped...

logi are the second least used suit in the game with commando as the most least used.. if these equipment changes that other people or even rattatti have suggested come into game.. no one will want to play logi after the initial "oooh shiney" wares off.. not even myself.. and i main logi and alt logi on 3 other alts 1 of each race where as main covers all 4 logi.. so i have more then enough experance to know exactly what im saying, what shouldnt change and what will happen if the proposed changes of rattatti and other people happen.. atleast my suggestion is a simple one cutting down on spam while still letting people deploy and switch as desired/needed..

if all team members were to deploy max deployables (190ish currently which would not happen ever its just maybe 2 to 4 WP hungry A holes who ruin it) it would start to cause lag where as my proposal imposes some form of limit which is not restrictive.. but i am also thinking about what the new proposed solo orbitals will do for/to deployable equipment.. we cannot hide uplinks under buildings cause orbitals penetrate everything..

and im only saying uplinks because no one will think of a hive in the middle of nowhere as useful..

F it im going to bed.. there has been far too much stupidity and bitter-vet hypocrisy tonight in this thread.

*facepalm*

Wow, your total lack of insight just boggles the mind. A quote from an old TV show comes to mind:
"My god you are so dumb it makes me tired"

I am an Amarr logi. Please explain to me how your proposal helps me. It results in:
- me being able to use LESS equipment than I do now.
- still being able to use THE SAME amount as some spam monkey who only drops 6 uplinks at the start of a match, possibly from a scout suit, and never setting foot in a logi suit again for the rest of the battle?

How is that an improvement, exactly? You say yourself everyone will run some links. What bizarro world do you live in where that "protects" logis?




And before you employ your typical ignorant ad hominem "argument": Dont bother, I have been an Amarr logi since the suit was un-broken in 1.2 and was a "logi" (there was only one) in beta - Feel free to click the link in my signature. I also have 8 weapons to proto and am part of the original beta logi tradition of omnisoldiers. Do not presume to lecture me on how to do my job.

They EXPLICITLY said no one will have the as much bandwidth as a Logi. How are you figuring some spam monkey is going to have as many uplinks up as you? The idea is to bring down total number of deployables and make logis desireable because, even though they deploy less equipment than they do now, they will be able to deploy much more than any other suit.

I appreciate your feedback, however seeing as logos have weapons to fight infantry and only the sentinle has no equipment slots what it would actually force you to do is to fit your av fits with your prioritized deployable as their equipment(your things only pop if you are over the limit you get from equipping them)
For example you are a proto amarr logi and have 3 uplinks out, and having only skilled nanohives to adv you only have two of those out. you need to drive off a dropship, so you switch to a premade av fram the uplinks would only pop if you had either and advanced or lower uplink, or no uplink in the equipment slot. In the case of only an adv or std or militia uplink fitted their you would lose only 1(adv) or two(std/mlt) as well as your hives. Once you switch back you can redeploy hives. If you are complaining about not being able to drive off infantry, well my understanding is that the logos gave up fire power for support.
The numbers I gave out were purely hypothetical of course I haven't done math this is all off the cuff, but please don't misunderstand I'm not trying to belittle the logos or anything, or Nerf them, this simply seems like a simpler path to fixing the problem than the band with system.
Further if the problem isn't so much the logis wouldn't limiting the maximum uplinks put out by non logis to a hard 3 while requiring them to remain in suits equipped with proto uplinks to keep them up for the duration of the match stop the spam? What is the maximum number per person, even scouts at the moment? Also, again this would require them to commit to those uplinks for the entire match, stopping the tourist logi/dentinal spam that is the root of the problem.

They EXPLICITLY said no one will have the as much bandwidth as a Logi. How are you figuring some spam monkey is going to have as many uplinks up as you? The idea is to bring down total number of deployables and make logis desireable because, even though they deploy less equipment than they do now, they will be able to deploy much more than any other suit.

most all logi cannot fit a mostly proto tank AND proto equipment and proto weapon..

Why do you need all three?

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logi, second lowest ehp of all the suits.. end up being much slower to compensate for the ehp gap.. all logi (excluding amarr) only have 1 light weapon slot for what ever weapon they choose..

most all logi cannot fit a mostly proto tank AND proto equipment and proto weapon.. seriously give it a shot on protofits with all L5 skills its impossable.. and thats even on a min logi with just a CR i still have to fit advanced shields and advanced hive to manage to squeese in proto needle proto rep and proto uplink.. as for armor it has to use reactive because of the lower requirments.

No system is perfect, everyone will have to make some kind of sacrifice in order to limit EQ spam. This way, IMO, impacts everyone except logi's far more than it does logi's.

This topic has been the central point of debate at least 3-4 times in this game's history, and I've been fighting proposals that had huge potential to nerf logi's every time. This is unquestionably the best proposal I've yet seen that will both:

A) Work
B) Be a lot harder on non-logi's than on logis.

BTW, this one is arguably my favorite:

doubt it.. scouts wont have to sacrifice anything neither will assaults commandos sentinels HAVs LAVs or ADS/DS.. this change is only geared at screwing logi's over

This I still don't get. Do you actually understand how this thing works?

Currently someone in a scout suit can run unlimited equipment. With BW, they can only have like 3 active at proto.

Sentinels, same thing. Spawn in a logi suit, spam uplinks, switch to sentinel suit and mow down people with HMG while farming uplink WP. WIth BW someone in a sentinel suit can have zero active equipment.

Sounds like a sacrifice to me.

hmm so sentinels get 0 bandwidth? hmmm i must go deeper

this will just leave pubs without uplinks and hives

more equipment less usage is the solution

example: 20 uplinks can be carried that allow 3 spawns only, same restrictions we currently have

Or just put a restriction on the amount of uplinks you can have out. Lump uplinks as one thing, not seperated as they are. As it is now I can have 7 links out using different versions of uplinks. The way I suggest is once you have 3 of one type (or mixed) you can lay no more out.

Are you going to pay for my respec if that happens so I can get out of the Amarr logi suit?

Lol this suggestion is basically nerfing the caldari and amarr logi's to hell.

Are you going to pay for my respec if that happens so I can get out of the Amarr logi suit?

well where were you when they nerfed reptools with that god aweful Points per minute cap and more recently you only get triage points from targets who have recently killed some one. hmm? that was the ONE THING minmatar logi were good at..

Are you going to pay for my respec if that happens so I can get out of the Amarr logi suit?

Why do you need all three?