DUST Search - equipment spam and my solution.

Cross Atu wrote:

Za'ki no system which binds its limits to the player rather than the active deployed dropsuit will be adequate in that no player bound system will address 'dumbfire self logi' (aka spam) which currently not only clutters the field but also undercuts support play.

Playing logistics & support should be just that playing. It should not be a thing you do for the first few seconds or minutes of a match prior to depot swapping into a new suit to go slaying (or AV rooftop camping).

Support play needs a rework and buff, the OP trivializes the role of support/logistics keeping it in the current passive state while also nerfing it by applying further restrictions with no counterbalance to emphasize the role.

Unfortunately the system you propose is not fair any more than proposing all suits get a heavy weapon slot would be fair, each role is a specialization and needs to possess advantages accordingly. The BW system does this, whereas the OP does not.

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Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...


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Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 342	Posted - 2014.11.21 18:39:00 - [1] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Za'ki no system which binds its limits to the player rather than the active deployed dropsuit will be adequate in that no player bound system will address 'dumbfire self logi' (aka spam) which currently not only clutters the field but also undercuts support play. Playing logistics & support should be just that playing. It should not be a thing you do for the first few seconds or minutes of a match prior to depot swapping into a new suit to go slaying (or AV rooftop camping). Support play needs a rework and buff, the OP trivializes the role of support/logistics keeping it in the current passive state while also nerfing it by applying further restrictions with no counterbalance to emphasize the role. Unfortunately the system you propose is not fair any more than proposing all suits get a heavy weapon slot would be fair, each role is a specialization and needs to possess advantages accordingly. The BW system does this, whereas the OP does not. 0.02 ISK Cross Hey Cross, what I don't get about the you guys trying to reinvent the logi, is the fact that you seem to have the opinion that everybody should play the same role for the whole match... That is completely opposite of why many play this game. If you destroy all my deployed equipment when I say change into an AV suit, than you punish my efforts from the start or mid of the game. I try to support my team. Many times I'm the only uplinker in the game. But putting down uplinks is not something I want to do for the whole match (though I regularly do it several times a game). I also want to fight AV and do other stuff (terminating clones). So why is it, that you guys think equipment spam Is a good enough reason to implement those changes. If it wasn't for my effort, in many pubs I'd be running the whole way from base to the fight on every spawn. And you know what, in my experience some of the worst spammers, are dedicated logis. These changes won't change a lot regarding spam. And by the way, if all the logis equipment is destroyed, why not make every player just glue to his starting role? Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 342	Posted - 2014.11.21 21:25:00 - [2] - Quote I think I need to elaborate my point! My problem is that my uplinks (most of them or all when spawning heavy) are DESTROYED. In EVE when you leave your drones in space, do they explode? No they don't you can pick them up in a certain timeframe. It should not be different in Dust. If you switch to a suit with less bandwith, the stuff you put down in a logi suit, should just DEACTIVATE !!! So if you switch back to logi, everything starts to work as before! This is the only way to not punish logies that do not want to play in one role for the whole game. There have been enough games where my 6! upliks that I deploy at every game start have made a difference. My being a dedicated maxed AV minmando is obviously helping as well. Why should I be punished when everybody else can switch with no consequences. The only thing I don't want is the DESTRUCTION of the EQUIPMENT. DEACTIVATION while in a low bandwith suit is FINE! And to fight the spam, we need a hardcap of deployed equipment for every Suit, including a logi! I have played logi exclusively for my first year in dust (since open beta) so I know what I'm talking about. No logi needs more than 10 pieces of Equipment on the ground. If he switches to Assautl, only 4 of those would stay active. If he switches to Commando only 3 would stay active. If he switches to Scout, only 2. And the Fatty would only have one or maybe even nothing active. As soon as he switches back to Logi, everything starts working again (if not destroyed inbetwheen). This would encourage strategic placing of stuff, so that if your close to objective links get destroyed and you are in a low bandwith suit, the older links get reactivated automaticly up to the bandwith limit. This would be a fair solution. Because you wouldn't want to be locked to one role. If stuff above bandwith is DESTROYED, I demand that no suit exept logis can use EQUIPMENT AT ALL. When I have to stay in my Suit the whole game to keep my stuff on the field, nobody else should be able to do part time logi aswell by putting down equipment! Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 343	Posted - 2014.11.22 01:52:00 - [3] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I agree that not everything has to work like EVE. Which is why I love the way CCP Rattati wants to do it. My point was that if they were to implement an activation/reactivation mechanic because it was more like EVE, then you'd have to manually reactivate stuff. In eve you just warp to a place and clickeldiclick its put in your cargo and then in the drones bay again... If we could do that on the map, no problem. And there was something invented in the last century called radio links... we don't need to go back to the 18th century and flick switches on our hives and links. But really, I'm getting tired of this mess. CCP tries to fix something in a horribly complicated way, without fixing the real issue. I think it's time to think about something else, to bring logis back. Make certain equipment only usable by certain Suits. Logis: everything except cloaks Assaults: Compact hives (only one carried) and injectors. Commandos: Ammo hives and remotes (they area denial and AV). Scouts: Cloaks and Uplinks (only 2 on the ground at any time and only 5 spawns per link, the good links are coming with the logis) Heavies: Nada, they have (should have) logi friends. All repping (except the compact hives of the Assaults) Is done by logis. All active scanning is also done by the logis alone. If you switch your suit, all stuff that is not compatible with the new suit, makes boom. Have fun with LOGI 514 Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...
Mad Syringe ReDust Inc. 343	Posted - 2014.11.22 11:58:00 - [4] - Quote BTW, what's a tourist logi? Is it the same as a tourist scout, who was always running assault and now switches to scout when the enemy uses this fit? Or is it the same as a tourist heavy, who is also an assault, that get's his arse handed over to him by Sents and then thinks oh lets switch to a heavy frame...? This is just a rediculous discussion, that will NOT SOLVE THE SPAMMING PROBLEM WHATSOEVER! If you deny one role the strategic possibility of switching to another role, than its NOT BALANCED. If Logis loose deployed stuff when switching suits, NO OTHER SUIT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT PERIOD! Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing... Not playing logi that much anymore... which is a shame...