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lowdevil
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:49:00 -
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The python is suppose to be the king of Caldari drop-ships, yet, it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does. Now that I have spent 6 months!!! of daily play using 20mil sp to level up the ADS it gets nerfed to the point it's only good for killing droplinks and an occasional straggler. Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair. I'll use the spaces for pg cpu upgrades (since you won't upgrade that ever) and the fire rate to actually have a chance in hell to kill av dropsuits before they bounce my ship off the nearest building. One AV suit should not be able to drop an "Ass ault" ship from the sky in one volley. I'm fine with Two taking me down. And while we are talking about dropships, Fix the viper so it actually has the power to ascend without an afterburner, it's pathetic, and I would also like to land a viper without losing half my HP. 2 more thoughts and I'm done. Bring back the Turbines, Logi Dropships, and stop letting gorgon collisions bring down anything in the sky. this is dust 514 not dust "the ghad suicide terrorist game"
P.S.
The assault dropship fire mechanics are the stupidest part about them, I would be fine with getting rid of them completely and adding a gunship with side guns and speed, oh, and bring back the Logi Dropship!! |
Symbioticforks
Pure Evil.
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:51:00 -
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the occasional straggler read your post.
You know sniping is bad when even I refuse to do it.
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lowdevil
Savage Bullet
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:55:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:The python is suppose to be the king of Caldari drop-ships, yet, it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does. Now that I have spent 6 months!!! of daily play using 20mil sp to level up the ADS it gets nerfed to the point it's only good for killing droplinks and an occasional straggler. Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair. I'll use the spaces for pg cpu upgrades (since you won't upgrade that ever) and the fire rate to actually have a chance in hell to kill av dropsuits before they bounce my ship off the nearest building. One AV suit should not be able to drop an "Ass ault" ship from the sky in one volley. I'm fine with Two taking me down. And while we are talking about dropships, Fix the viper so it actually has the power to ascend without an afterburner, it's pathetic, and I would also like to land a viper without losing half my HP. 2 more thoughts and I'm done. Bring back the Turbines, Logi Dropships, and stop letting gorgon collisions bring down anything in the sky. this is dust 514 not dust "the ghad suicide terrorist game"
P.S.
The assault dropship fire mechanics are the stupidest part about them, I would be fine with getting rid of them completely and adding a gunship with side guns and speed, oh, and bring back the Logi Dropship!!
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Quasar Storm
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:07:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:the occasional straggler read your post.
Hopefully more of the pilots do. Swarmers get it it easy with an Auto-Lock weapon. Why can't pilots get some love too?
Also, Logi-Derps need to come back. Until it does, My Myron has become my bootleg Eryx.
ADS & Tank pilot.
Drifting on Stormy Seas.
The "Eh" Team
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
793
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:10:00 -
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you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:19:00 -
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Oh noes, it's my Swarms greatest weakness.
A wall
The 1st Matari Commando
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
96
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:20:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you.
because apparntly they dont know how much of a pain in the ass it is to locate said drop ship in sky not to mention 4 second lock on +2 second before being able to relock and yes i do have skill in drops ships do i loose some yes why? because i fly like a moron some times other times i dont have to worry about any thing because i am aware of whats going on on teh battle field
The Little Girl with the HMG
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Quasar Storm
0uter.Heaven
283
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:22:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you.
Because.
-- Swarms are still invisible ( It is a little better, But it still happens every game)
-- Swarmers still do not properly render at times
-- Tons of other potential dangers that pilots must look out for that instagib.
* Other "friendly" pilots
* Enemy pilots
* Invisible walls
* Random RDV drops that instagib you with zero warning
* MCC missiles
* Installation Missiles
-- Swarms being EZ mode with Auto-Lock
-- Players have the ability to reskill into Proto AV, So the majority have Proto swarms now.
-- Shields being sh!t to start out with for Caldari Vehicles. (Seriously StarFox64 has better shield mechanics.)
ADS & Tank pilot.
Drifting on Stormy Seas.
The "Eh" Team
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Zindorak
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
1279
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:22:00 -
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+1
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:22:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:The python is suppose to be the king of Caldari drop-ships, yet, it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does. Now that I have spent 6 months!!! of daily play using 20mil sp to level up the ADS it gets nerfed to the point it's only good for killing droplinks and an occasional straggler. Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair. I'll use the spaces for pg cpu upgrades (since you won't upgrade that ever) and the fire rate to actually have a chance in hell to kill av dropsuits before they bounce my ship off the nearest building. One AV suit should not be able to drop an "Ass ault" ship from the sky in one volley. I'm fine with Two taking me down. And while we are talking about dropships, Fix the viper so it actually has the power to ascend without an afterburner, it's pathetic, and I would also like to land a viper without losing half my HP. 2 more thoughts and I'm done. Bring back the Turbines, Logi Dropships, and stop letting gorgon collisions bring down anything in the sky. this is dust 514 not dust "the ghad suicide terrorist game"
P.S.
The assault dropship fire mechanics are the stupidest part about them, I would be fine with getting rid of them completely and adding a gunship with side guns and speed, oh, and bring back the Logi Dropship!!
its not just the caldari ADS but also LAV and HAV and DS.. its somethign to do with the mass and inertia of the vehicles and also collision which makes a slight knock seem like a catastrophic head on collision.. its stupid even flaylock PISTOLS have more say in where my DS goes then I do.
[[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1578
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:25:00 -
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Minmando mk.0 with prof. 3 proto swarms here to say swarms are OP.
I wish vehicles were fun again, maybe I would get on my vehicle alt then...
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1578
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:28:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you.
It's actually a three hit kill, if they don't put on their shield booster that is, then it's a four hit kill.
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
96
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:30:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Minmando mk.0 with prof. 3 proto swarms here to say swarms are OP.
I wish vehicles were fun again, maybe I would get on my vehicle alt then...
i call bull minmando mk.o prof5 proto swarms, learn to properly fit your vehicles ( shields do wonders take a whole clip for me to get through then pilot pop on shield booster fully charged)
The Little Girl with the HMG
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Operative 1174 Uuali
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:30:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you.
Because you aren't the only one that spec it up and refit to your convenience. One guy, every effing game doing that? No. If it is that effective then everybody runs it and it really doesn't harm doing anything else as infantry.
Meanwhile, a playstyle you don't like shouldn't be denied effective play for that one guy doing AV with an instalock weapon.
Dropship players want to do dropships and not just pull one out when it is a convenient counter.
Also, there are better methods to balance things than feed whiny COD players their infantry only game play.
I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
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Hakyou Brutor
Capital Acquisitions LLC
1578
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:33:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Minmando mk.0 with prof. 3 proto swarms here to say swarms are OP.
I wish vehicles were fun again, maybe I would get on my vehicle alt then... i call bull minmando mk.o prof5 proto swarms, learn to properly fit your vehicles ( shields do wonders take a whole clip for me to get through then pilot pop on shield booster fully charged)
Pocket... I don't know what game you're playing, but the other night in a PC I was three hitting PARTH0K (if you don't know who he is, he's an okay pilot).
He was running a Python with about 3000 shield.
Knight Soiaire = my bae
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13653
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:41:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you. Because. -- Swarms are still invisible ( It is a little better, But it still happens every game) -- Swarmers still do not properly render at times -- Tons of other potential dangers that pilots must look out for that instagib. -- Other "friendly" pilots -- Enemy pilots -- Invisible walls -- Random RDV drops that instagib you with zero warning -- MCC missiles -- Installation Missiles -- Swarms being EZ mode with Auto-Lock -- Players have the ability to reskill into Proto AV, So the majority have Proto swarms now. -- Shields being sh!t to start out with for Caldari Vehicles. (Seriously StarFox64 has better shield mechanics.)
-The travel is still audible, and I've yet to be hit with an invisible swarm.
-See above
-Aren't related to Swarms, therefore have no bearings on SL balance*
-Compared to the hard life of holding R1 and teleporting to the redline? Lol
-Null*
-Also irrelevant to Swarm Launchers*
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(1) Swarmers also face several issues, such as blueberries stealing their LAVs, blueberries blocking their shots, 12-15 hostile Infantry players, Scouts w/SGs, Sentinels w/HMGs, etc.
However, none of these issues are related to ADSs, so none of them have an effect on AV/ADS balance. However, if you wish to balance SL on factors irrelevant to the SL, the same would have to be done to ADSs.
(2) Players also have the ability to re-skill into AP weapons, which increases the quality of enemy threats an AVer has to deal with; it's still irrelevant to ADSs so it as well doesn't affect AV/ADS balance.
Balance of quality around quantity is terrible because quantity of items is always inconsistent. For example, a PC match has an average of 2-4 ADSs but an average of 0-2 SL users. Should we buff SLs to compensate for the lower quantity in comparison to the ADS? No?
Then that point is hypocritical, and null.
(3) The MinCom's sprint speed is (relatively) crap as well. Should we nerf ADS flight speed?
The 1st Matari Commando
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:42:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Minmando mk.0 with prof. 3 proto swarms here to say swarms are OP.
I wish vehicles were fun again, maybe I would get on my vehicle alt then... i call bull minmando mk.o prof5 proto swarms, learn to properly fit your vehicles ( shields do wonders take a whole clip for me to get through then pilot pop on shield booster fully charged) Pocket... I don't know what game you're playing, but the other night in a PC I was three hitting PARTH0K (if you don't know who he is, he's an okay pilot). He was running a Python with about 3000 shield.
not PC i can tell you that, i run dual swarms. TOday in a match i ran against 3 tanks with drop ship support popped 2 of the tanks they got stuck on stuff and were poorly fited ( 1 volly took out complete shields) the other tank couldnt brake through shileds after unloading 4-6 vollies which took a while due to the 3-4 second lock on time plus the 2 second brake between shots, the ADS was another story would fire ADS took first 2 vollies the pop hardner took one more then flew away as i fired the second by the time i fired the third (now on second swarm launcher) he was well out of reach and swarm following ramge.
The Little Girl with the HMG
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
13653
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:45:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you. It's actually a three hit kill, if they don't put on their shield booster that is, then it's a four hit kill.
Which is OP in what sense?
Any fitted vehicle in this game (bar LAVs & troll fits) can escape before those 4 volleyed even lock.
The 1st Matari Commando
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15041
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:46:00 -
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And yet the Pie Thong is the only ADS that can stand up to current AV
Even I, a devout Gallente loyalist and Calamari hater, after almost 3 years, have finally made the switch. The Incubus just has nothing that makes it a competitive option
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Buwaro Draemon
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
425
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:46:00 -
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I love how pilots keep saying that Swarms are EZ mode because they have a lock-on feature.
Yo, that's the only good thing Swarms are for. They are not AI since the ability to dumb fire was taken away. So they should excel and be a potential threat against any vehicle pilot.
My tip? Stop trying to kill AV units. You are just asking yourself to get killed if you flight straight towards them.
To be a better pilot/tanker
You must:
Be in a squad. The ability to use squad chat can help you by telling your squadmates that there is potential AV threat.
Locate AV player. A thing about AV player is that (for infantry) they can be seen by anyone. Just follow the general direction where the Swarms/Forge round came from.
STOP trying to chase and kill AV. Seriously, how many pilots/tankers have I killed because they decide to be cokcy and take me head on. They get the fire power advantage but I get the mobility, taking cover and speed to out-maneuver them
If you are ADS pilot, stop flying behind enemy lines to farm some kils. There's a huge chance of the AV units being behind the enemy lines. So yeah. Be smart and use the ADS for it's intended purpose. Strafing runs rather than Hover-And-Kill.
Before all you pilots come bashing at me. I am also an ADS pilot. Very first thing I skilled into when Uprising launched.
It takes skill to fly one now. And I like it.
Been here since Mordus Private Trials
Closed Beta Vet under 30 million SP ;-;
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15041
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Oh noes, it's my Swarms greatest weakness.
A wall
You mean the swarms that travel around walls? And you do realize flying that low to the ground and close to a wall is just BEGGING to get clipped by something and tossed to your death, right? In most cases, running full speed away is by far the superior option,
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
263
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:50:00 -
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AV is so broken people don't have a choice or maybe the vehicles are broken either way the balance is way in the favor of vehicles and the reason that you are more likely to get killed by another ship than a aver.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15041
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:55:00 -
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Blueprint For Murder wrote:AV is so broken people don't have a choice or maybe the vehicles are broken either way the balance is way in the favor of vehicles and the reason that you are more likely to get killed by another ship than a aver.
Wait
You seriously still have trouble running AV?
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
264
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:59:00 -
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I have trouble killing a vehicle in the time an AVer has before the pilot assaults you, flees, or ohk with missiles.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2982
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:02:00 -
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ROF knocked up to 5%, yes.
LogiDS coming back, HELL YES!
rest of the other stuff... respectfully disagree
But what do we know? We're just the people that fly these things nonstop and know it's ins and outs like the front of our hands. No way we'd know what could possibly balance our craft against what is designed to combat us?
The sad part is I had to change up my sexy playlist:
Pre delta sample: Ain't no stopping us now
Post Delta sample: Fly away from here, you know, because that's mostly 80% of our piloting community can do these days.
Yet, sadly, the AV and vehicles are like the Capulets and Montagues, neither will be pleased until they're on top.
And while we're here, I have a message to those pilots who quit on your beautiful vehicle, from your vehicle. They're very sad that you left them for that other slut, and they want to know how you could do that to them.
R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:09:00 -
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Derrith Erador wrote:ROF knocked up to 5%, yes. LogiDS coming back, HELL YES! rest of the other stuff... respectfully disagree But what do we know? We're just the people that fly these things nonstop and know it's ins and outs like the front of our hands. No way we'd know what could possibly balance our craft against what is designed to combat us? The sad part is I had to change up my sexy playlist: Pre delta sample: Ain't no stopping us nowPost Delta sample: Fly away from here, you know, because that's mostly 80% of our piloting community can do these days. Yet, sadly, the AV and vehicles are like the Capulets and Montagues, neither will be pleased until they're on top.And while we're here, I have a message to those pilots who quit on your beautiful vehicle, from your vehicle. They're very sad that you left them for that other slu t, and they want to know how you could do that to them.
Yea no you assume that AV wants to be on top, i dont i want to be able to make poorly fitted vehicles burn as well as cocky pilots. As a swarm user i know that if i can make you back off of my ground troops im doing my job
The Little Girl with the HMG
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
2982
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:26:00 -
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Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:ROF knocked up to 5%, yes. LogiDS coming back, HELL YES! rest of the other stuff... respectfully disagree But what do we know? We're just the people that fly these things nonstop and know it's ins and outs like the front of our hands. No way we'd know what could possibly balance our craft against what is designed to combat us? The sad part is I had to change up my sexy playlist: Pre delta sample: Ain't no stopping us nowPost Delta sample: Fly away from here, you know, because that's mostly 80% of our piloting community can do these days. Yet, sadly, the AV and vehicles are like the Capulets and Montagues, neither will be pleased until they're on top.And while we're here, I have a message to those pilots who quit on your beautiful vehicle, from your vehicle. They're very sad that you left them for that other slu t, and they want to know how you could do that to them. Yea no you assume that AV wants to be on top, i dont i want to be able to make poorly fitted vehicles burn as well as cocky pilots. As a swarm user i know that if i can make you back off of my ground troops im doing my job
I spoke in general observation of both communities in general. Each side constantly complains about how they're UP, while the other says git gud scrub. It's been this way since as long as I can remember. You and I may be an exception to the rule (though I question if I still am), but that doesn't change the behavior of both the general AV and V communities hostilities towards each other.
R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
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Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
5429
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:27:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:The python is suppose to be the king of Caldari drop-ships, yet, it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does. Now that I have spent 6 months!!! of daily play using 20mil sp to level up the ADS it gets nerfed to the point it's only good for killing droplinks and an occasional straggler. Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair. I'll use the spaces for pg cpu upgrades (since you won't upgrade that ever) and the fire rate to actually have a chance in hell to kill av dropsuits before they bounce my ship off the nearest building. One AV suit should not be able to drop an "Ass ault" ship from the sky in one volley. I'm fine with Two taking me down. And while we are talking about dropships, Fix the viper so it actually has the power to ascend without an afterburner, it's pathetic, and I would also like to land a viper without losing half my HP. 2 more thoughts and I'm done. Bring back the Turbines, Logi Dropships, and stop letting gorgon collisions bring down anything in the sky. this is dust 514 not dust "the ghad suicide terrorist game"
P.S.
The assault dropship fire mechanics are the stupidest part about them, I would be fine with getting rid of them completely and adding a gunship with side guns and speed, oh, and bring back the Logi Dropship!!
Same thing happens to the Myron.
I was on Ashlands flying over the pipes to destroy uplinks, and a single forge shot flipped me 90 degrees and I fell to the ground before I could even react.
I mean, I fit 3500 shield HP to try and avoid getting instablapped, and it happens anyway because the AV will just throw me into things.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1104
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:29:00 -
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1 swarmer can negate 1 ADS without any real effort, I can do it no problem. Killing it isn't that much harder if they do anything but AB away after the first volley. On the other side of it as an ADS pilot has 3-4 seconds to apply any damage they can before the first volley hits thus driving a smart pilot off. 2 swarmers not even working together can easily down an ADS. Balance is not lurching from one extreme to another alternately making one side useless for extended periods of time. When tanks were OP tanks were here making the case that they were easily counter-able so on and so fourth, now the pendulum as swung against vehicles and AV'ers are hear saying that they are easily counter-able. Neither side wants/wanted to lose their advantage there has to be a middle ground but unfortunately CCP has never been able to come close finding that middle ground in years. AV'ers will once again drive vehicles from the game in quantities that will show in the data and will be nerfed (in likely the worst way of all possible solutions) and vehicles will come back in a vengeance as we've seen time and time again.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:29:00 -
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I just started flying a Python. It is crazy how little time in the air you get to focus on an area before the AV makes you run.
I also have a minmando with swarms prof 5 and reload 5. It's crazy how OP that AV fit is. Minmando with swarms is the easiest thing in Dust, even more so than the gal scout or a heavy HMG.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
5244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:34:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:1 swarmer can negate 1 ADS without any real effort, I can do it no problem. Killing it isn't that much harder if they do anything but AB away after the first volley. On the other side of it as an ADS pilot has 3-4 seconds to apply any damage they can before the first volley hits thus driving a smart pilot off. 2 swarmers not even working together can easily down an ADS. Balance is not lurching from one extreme to another alternately making one side useless for extended periods of time. When tanks were OP tanks were here making the case that they were easily counter-able so on and so fourth, now the pendulum as swung against vehicles and AV'ers are hear saying that they are easily counter-able. Neither side wants/wanted to lose their advantage there has to be a middle ground but unfortunately CCP has never been able to come close finding that middle ground in years. AV'ers will once again drive vehicles from the game in quantities that will show in the data and will be nerfed (in likely the worst way of all possible solutions) and vehicles will come back in a vengeance as we've seen time and time again.
Pubs can't handle tanks being strong, but ADS is so easily countered outside of a handful of great pilots.
ADS needs a buff. Any AVer that honestly thinks differently is an uber scrub that needs an asterisk next to their name.
I wish my avatar was Minmatar.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14527
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:37:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:1 swarmer can negate 1 ADS without any real effort, I can do it no problem. Killing it isn't that much harder if they do anything but AB away after the first volley. On the other side of it as an ADS pilot has 3-4 seconds to apply any damage they can before the first volley hits thus driving a smart pilot off. 2 swarmers not even working together can easily down an ADS. Balance is not lurching from one extreme to another alternately making one side useless for extended periods of time. When tanks were OP tanks were here making the case that they were easily counter-able so on and so fourth, now the pendulum as swung against vehicles and AV'ers are hear saying that they are easily counter-able. Neither side wants/wanted to lose their advantage there has to be a middle ground but unfortunately CCP has never been able to come close finding that middle ground in years. AV'ers will once again drive vehicles from the game in quantities that will show in the data and will be nerfed (in likely the worst way of all possible solutions) and vehicles will come back in a vengeance as we've seen time and time again.
Crying about the past instead of looking to the future.
AV has had its period of OPness
LAV have had their period of OPness
HAV have had their period of OPness
ADS have had their period of OPness
So HTFU and lets look and balancing this crap.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1104
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:1 swarmer can negate 1 ADS without any real effort, I can do it no problem. Killing it isn't that much harder if they do anything but AB away after the first volley. On the other side of it as an ADS pilot has 3-4 seconds to apply any damage they can before the first volley hits thus driving a smart pilot off. 2 swarmers not even working together can easily down an ADS. Balance is not lurching from one extreme to another alternately making one side useless for extended periods of time. When tanks were OP tanks were here making the case that they were easily counter-able so on and so fourth, now the pendulum as swung against vehicles and AV'ers are hear saying that they are easily counter-able. Neither side wants/wanted to lose their advantage there has to be a middle ground but unfortunately CCP has never been able to come close finding that middle ground in years. AV'ers will once again drive vehicles from the game in quantities that will show in the data and will be nerfed (in likely the worst way of all possible solutions) and vehicles will come back in a vengeance as we've seen time and time again. Crying about the past instead of looking to the future. AV has had its period of OPness LAV have had their period of OPness HAV have had their period of OPness ADS have had their period of OPness So HTFU and lets look and balancing this crap.
Only fools don't learn from the past. They need to learn from the past and stop going from one extreme to another. Which is exactly what I just said so telling me to HTFU about as useful as and ADS at this point particularly as I even used the word balance.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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lowdevil
Savage Bullet
3
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:01:00 -
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And pick one side of the ship for us to exit!!! I'm sick of randomly exiting on the wrong side causing me to fall off a ledge or get crushed or killed
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Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect
519
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:01:00 -
[35] - Quote
Lol, i go 3- 0 in madrugar or missile tank getting ****** by enemy av. **** ur ads. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14533
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:19:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:Lol, i go 3- 0 in madrugar or missile tank getting ****** by enemy av. **** ur ads.
Tanking isn't for everyone....but seriously try a Gunnlogi..... they are just better.
"HeGÇÖs sorry. ThatGÇÖs his sorry faceGǪ. Just keep quiet for now and maybe you'll get through this."
-Kador Ouryon
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1386
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:20:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:And pick one side of the ship for us to exit!!! I'm sick of randomly exiting on the wrong side causing me to fall off a ledge or get crushed or killed
I have talked about this so many times but no one else has this problem I guess .
I can hop out ( I've done this just to see what will happen ) and hop back in , in a different area and it will let me out at a point where I'm at the greatest disadvantage .
It's just stupid .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2533
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:28:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I just started flying a Python. It is crazy how little time in the air you get to focus on an area before the AV makes you run.
I also have a minmando with swarms prof 5 and reload 5. It's crazy how OP that AV fit is. Minmando with swarms is the easiest thing in Dust, even more so than the gal scout or a heavy HMG.
Personally I think the Minmmando should have the swarm bonus removed. It has DPS similar if not greater than an IAFG, not to mention near perfect damage application, equipment slot, extra light weapon, etc.
Dust is there! I was real!
Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
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Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
4550
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:32:00 -
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I stopped reading when you mentioned physics. Really? Physics? In Dust? |
137H4RGIC
Bloodline Rebellion
Capital Punishment.
286
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:37:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:The python is suppose to be the king of Caldari drop-ships, yet, it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does. Now that I have spent 6 months!!! of daily play using 20mil sp to level up the ADS it gets nerfed to the point it's only good for killing droplinks and an occasional straggler. Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair. I'll use the spaces for pg cpu upgrades (since you won't upgrade that ever) and the fire rate to actually have a chance in hell to kill av dropsuits before they bounce my ship off the nearest building. One AV suit should not be able to drop an "Ass ault" ship from the sky in one volley. I'm fine with Two taking me down. And while we are talking about dropships, Fix the viper so it actually has the power to ascend without an afterburner, it's pathetic, and I would also like to land a viper without losing half my HP. 2 more thoughts and I'm done. Bring back the Turbines, Logi Dropships, and stop letting gorgon collisions bring down anything in the sky. this is dust 514 not dust "the ghad suicide terrorist game"
P.S.
The assault dropship fire mechanics are the stupidest part about them, I would be fine with getting rid of them completely and adding a gunship with side guns and speed, oh, and bring back the Logi Dropship!!
MinMando mk.0 with ALL Swarm skills at 5, and I can say that my swarms cannot one volley you with wiyrkomis. It takes 3 if your hardeners are on, and by the time I've reloaded for my third trio of volleys, you're already gone, using hills, buildings and anything else at your disposal to keep your dropship from getting hit. I come across many dropship pilots, many of them don't die, unless they make a grave error or miscalculation.
Remember, you're a dropship, not a bomber, not a fighter. A dropship; a transport vehicle with strong offensive capabilities. You are not meant to be a flying HAV.
D.U.S.T. Don't Underestimate Stupid Tryhards...
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
VEHICLEBUSTERS Demolitions and Logistics Corp .
1386
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:38:00 -
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ADS's might need a buff but it's not in their offensive capabilities , maybe in their HP's but that even would be too much when you have ground vehicles that have way more adversaries and items to deal with then air vehicles , if anyone should be complaining it should be ground vehicles , when a DS can just hover over a ground vehicle and just pelt them until destruction without the ground vehicle having the ability to counter-fire ... no wonder why ground vehicle pilots hop out armed with AV but it seems that other ground pilots don't like that happening .
I've seen multiple post from HAV users complaining about it but when you have a DS or several ... for that matter , just hovering over you at an angle that would just give you no choice but to run and doing that , they still follow you when they have you at a disadvantage ... no one should have anything to say about how a person approaches their defense of their role and their strategies .
I don't believe that ADS's or DS's need a buff , your working with standard and militia with the exception of the ADS which is the only advanced vehicle , so there's going to be moments where .. if your not aware , you will die and that's rightfully so .
When the next level of vehicles come out I bet most will call for a AV buff but it doesn't need it .
Vehicles don't need a buff either .
They need the rest of their racial vehicles so that we can actually have better vehicle versus vehicle battles and more for those who's role is strictly AV , to have more for them to do as well .
I was and still is on both sides of the fence and I believe that the balance is the best that it's been .
As a pilot , one just have to have their head on a swivel , as much as that might seem like a chore ... it's necessary .
I get hit once and I'm off and out , no questions asked and most pilots just don't do that , they don't use their mobility ( Which is their greatest asset ) to their advantage , they try to swallow damage and when they can't , they come to the forums to complain because they know that they have the backing of people who are like minded because they had their " I-WIN " knocked down to reasonable levels .
I fly and use AV and I understand what to do when I'm in trouble .
People complain about scouts without having knowledge about how to play scout or not even trying out the role to see where the problem , if any .. is .
Same with heavies .
Same with vehicles .
You have those who say that they use multiple roles but their opinions are lead by bias and you can tell by their comments .
You just don't have many who care about the overall balance of the game , just the role that they play having more weight then the rest .
Things will never get done that way , even more so ... if you have people relying on your feedback and knowledge but if it's tainted with bias , the problems will still remain and if anything , it will become worst .
Doubts are like flies and should be treated as such and crushed .
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15046
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:47:00 -
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The real problem is the total in-viability of armor compared to shields. Why take almost 50% more damage from almost all AV, when you have a useless hardener, and are slower and easier to hit? Incubus is straight up worthless now. At least before it was decent AV, but the Python is at worst, even with it now, with significantly higher survivability and mobility.
In refusing to bring racial parity, CCP has caused an imbalance that they themselves refuse to acknowledge.
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Bradric Banewolf
D3ATH CARD
RUST415
445
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:56:00 -
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 why do we even bother?!
OK sir how would you like swarms to work? Do you really want swarms with no auto lock? I can see the absolute mayhem now smh?! Scout running around with free fire missiles lol!
You're angry, and I get it?! CCP screwed the pooch again with the double nerf bat?! Anytime you buff one aspect while nerfing it's counterpart you get falling dropships?! However, let's not forget the great 1.7 update sir! I couldn't kill tank and/or dropship to save my life! The reverse happen then. Swarms got nerfed while tanks and ads were virtually invinsible?! The only way to kill them was dedication ( k/d drop), coordination involving your whole squad, stupidity and plain drunkenness on the vehicle pilots behalf, and some serious praying on out part?!
I agree that after burners should have been left alone if the swarms were to become faster. I agree that the python bounces off of everything like a pinball?! Also, the jihad dropship ram is getting to be the go to tactic for scrubs who refuse to spec into anything designed to deal with vehicles. CCP should atleast address this, and that will probably go for jihad jeeps as well. I would agree that if you want to kill a vehicle you should have to get vehicle killing weaponry.
Logi dropships?? I don't know that this won't be OP?! Sure it gives me a significant amount of points for killing it and the tank, but I can see how this could be a nightmare and thus CCP removed it?! I also don't see how they could help other dropships either?! They would really just follow tanks around turning pilots that we respect into rep tool wh*res for points?!
Here's what I would suggest instead:
I would definitely like to see a ammo resupply feature added to the dropship! A mobile supply depot where pilots got points for resupply, pickup, and drop off! The logi aspect can then be added to the transport dropships as well for troops that get picked up and transported. For instance, you saw my positioned getting over ran, and came down gunner in tow firing support fire. I could move to the dropship for healing and resupply, and be moved to a different location as others spawn into the dropship for a re-attack on said objective.
This would be great for heavies and commandos! This would also give CCP a reason to raise CPU/PG of transport dropships in order to fit support ship modules.
As far as the ads goes, I like it as an attack dropship, but you must understand it is NOT a defense dropship. It is built to attack troops and vehicles gaining speed (in the pythons case) and tank (in the incubus' case). I would suggest quick attacks shortly followed by evasive menuevers to safety. CCP has the responsibly of balancing the speed of these vehicles.
I'm no pilot. This is coming straight from an AV merc who understands how difficult it is to down pilots and tankers.
"Anybody order chaos?"
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3429
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:21:00 -
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ADS pilots kill me...they want to be able to obliterate infantry and tanks with no effective counter.
They want swarms with no autolock..lol. So, while the ADS is maneuvering at 200+ meters in the air, they expect AV to be able to hit them with rockets....as if forging an ADS isn't hard enough
> Check RND out here
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lowdevil
Savage Bullet
4
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:27:00 -
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Your swarms that requires 5mil sp to spec into should not easily take down a python the king of dropships that requires 20mil sp to proto out, not to mention the fact that it's an armor based weapon. The ads should be able to sit and take at least 3 volleys, you should have to reload and finish a second into a fully fitted Python. What you may not understand is that the ADS has been nerfed to the point that it can't even use any proto modules without a PG upgrade which uses up the 1 and only low slot on the ship. HOW DOES A VIPER HAVE MORE SLOTS THAN A PROTO PYTHON???? If you're going to take on a python one on one it should be with the plasma cannon or other SHIELD based weapon because that's all it is. I like the RACIAL differences in this game and agree with the added intelligence requirement in strategically using the right TOOL for the job. YOU swarmers should not be able to knock around my ship like a redheaded trailer queen at closing time, and you should have to work a lot harder to knock down my shields with a missle. HONESTLY THE ARROGANCE THAT A 47k HANDHELD WEAPON (NOT HEAVY WEAPON) SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO EASILY DESTROY A 600K PROTO SHIP THAT TAKES 6MONTHS TO SKILL UP INTO IS ASTOUNDING. The ADS should have enough time under fire to aim and release it's payload. Right now my python can be shot down by one wyrkomi swarm before I even get a chance to aim and fire 3times which is what it takes to kill a commando. I end up hurried and guessing at a few shots and running away. I would really like to sit outside the lock on range of a swarm but its nearly impossible to judge the 25m difference between missle range and swarm lock on range. In conclusion: MORE MODULES, MORE PG/CPU, DEVELOP COUNTERMEASURE FLARES, BUFF FIRE RATE BONUS 2%.
P>S. DEVS (ON THE REAL)
I want more module spaces and PG/CPU than the viper on my python
I want less movement when hit by AV
I want countermeasure modules that release flares for the lock on missles
and I want my tubines and afterburners back to where they were at least
Actually you could just return the ship to chromosome spec and I'd be ok, do it with the tanks
P>S>S
I honestly believe that if I have an entire years worth of SP sunk into vehicle specs my tanks and ADS should be nearly indestructible unless attacked by a similarly upgraded vehicle or multiple AV. Keep them very expensive, keep the repair modules active to allow for pilot errors, and only allow one ADS on the field at one time per team (idk)
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3431
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:47:00 -
[46] - Quote
lowdevil wrote:Your swarms that requires 5mil sp to spec into should not easily take down a python the king of dropships that requires 20mil sp to proto out, not to mention the fact that it's an armor based weapon. The ads should be able to sit and take at least 3 volleys, you should have to reload and finish a second into a fully fitted Python. What you may not understand is that the ADS has been nerfed to the point that it can't even use any proto modules without a PG upgrade which uses up the 1 and only low slot on the ship. HOW DOES A VIPER HAVE MORE SLOTS THAN A PROTO PYTHON???? If you're going to take on a python one on one it should be with the plasma cannon or other SHIELD based weapon because that's all it is. I like the RACIAL differences in this game and agree with the added intelligence requirement in strategically using the right TOOL for the job. YOU swarmers should not be able to knock around my ship like a redheaded trailer queen at closing time, and you should have to work a lot harder to knock down my shields with a missle. HONESTLY THE ARROGANCE THAT A 47k HANDHELD WEAPON (NOT HEAVY WEAPON) SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO EASILY DESTROY A 600K PROTO SHIP THAT TAKES 6MONTHS TO SKILL UP INTO IS ASTOUNDING. The ADS should have enough time under fire to aim and release it's payload. Right now my python can be shot down by one wyrkomi swarm before I even get a chance to aim and fire 3times which is what it takes to kill a commando. I end up hurried and guessing at a few shots and running away. I would really like to sit outside the lock on range of a swarm but its nearly impossible to judge the 25m difference between missle range and swarm lock on range. In conclusion: MORE MODULES, MORE PG/CPU, DEVELOP COUNTERMEASURE FLARES, BUFF FIRE RATE BONUS 2%.
P>S. DEVS (ON THE REAL)
I want more module spaces and PG/CPU than the viper on my python
I want less movement when hit by AV
I want countermeasure modules that release flares for the lock on missles
and I want my tubines and afterburners back to where they were at least
Actually you could just return the ship to chromosome spec and I'd be ok, do it with the tanks
P>S>S
I honestly believe that if I have an entire years worth of SP sunk into vehicle specs my tanks and ADS should be nearly indestructible unless attacked by a similarly upgraded vehicle or multiple AV. Keep them very expensive, keep the repair modules active to allow for pilot errors, and only allow one ADS on the field at one time per team (idk)
First of all....it requires more than 5M to spec into. For the swarms alone, it may be a little over 5M sp. But what about the 3M sp it cost for the dropsuit? Or, the 5x multiplier core skills required to fit them? The electronics and engineering skill, the light weapon usage skill, the handheld weapon upgrade skills (for damage mods). Not to mention, the other skills required to survive while we are trying to use AV.
Second of all....you want the ADS to absorb 3 volleys of swarms. But that was the problem before....ADS would take one or two hits and escape. They would use a few secs to rep and come back and obliterate everything. ADS were just as annoying as cloaks but worse because there wasn't an effective counter besides 5 guys trying to take it down.
> Check RND out here
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Blueprint For Murder
Immortal Guides
265
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:52:00 -
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Lol we can fly, move at speeds faster anything, else reach places no one else can, can not be countered unless someone weakens and exposes themselves, and can't be touched by small arms fire 20mil sp sounds like a fair price.
5mil to be able to use a ineffectual weapon while lowering our offensive ability and exposing our position to not only the pilot, but every troop in los... sounds like a rip off.
The Impossible Dream and Wizard Talk
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duster 35000
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:03:00 -
[48] - Quote
boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you.
He means in 1 clip.
atm swarms are ridiculously overpowered vs the python, almost impossible to play domination with a python...
Choo Choo
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1947
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Posted - 2014.11.13 06:11:00 -
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Uhm wow, look buddy you are a product of the misrepresented idea of dropships. You want to be a gunship pilot and that's all well and good, but trying to make the assault dropship a gunship is bad m'kay? I understand its hard to shoot av when they knock you all over, but av is meant to kill or route you.
The strength of the dropship is the teamwork aspect (if you didn't know teamwork is op) fit some turrets and get a good gunner or two, I cannot tell you how many times my gunners have saved my python from av. While I'm focusing on flying they are focusing on dropping targets, with the way the camera works for the pythons gun door gunners can do a much better job than you can. There are some issues with this that are worth griping about, namely gunners being able to kill themselves and the horrible rotation speed of turrets.
Because gunners can kill themselves its ideal to have them in fat suits with high reps. This means they can also weild an HMG or forge gun, so even if your gunner isn't the best you have the option of dropping a heavy right next to that SMG wielding av. Again teamwork is op. If you are using the dropship for its intended role you also have a few shocktroopers that aren't on guns that would love nothing more than to jump out and kill anything that moves. Dropping them on av and then having your gunner assist or kill the av is also a good way to not get knocked about while fighting av.
Did you know gunners render infantry and av much better than a pilot? They can give you a much better idea of the situation and even tell you where those invisible swarms came from! For example, I'm covering some blues attacking B, my gunner is killing or suppressing things that I can't even see but he let's me know roughly where they are and if he has a good angle or needs a better one. Suddenly he starts shouting "swarmer! swarmer! Get us out!" I turn out and hit the AB "oh sh-ít two swarms! Floor it!" I get out with half my armor, rep up at supply, he informs me they are at the supply so I do a high orbit and he says he sees them I come in and drop him on them, he deals with them quickly and I pick him back up. Again, teamwork is op.
The last thing we need to do right now is buff dropships in nonsensical ways to promote the false idea that an assault dropship = a gunship. There are legitimate problems that should be addressed and improvements that should be made for the dropships role, not the gunship role. Things like,
Gunners exploding themselves
Rendering for swarms (early warning would fix this too)
Ridiculous impact damage
Control over bay doors
Landing gear shutting off engines
Being able to control landing gear
Ways to signal when its a good time to jump (eg jump light)
Sticky turrets
Really slow turret turn speed
Countermeasures
MCRUs that allow a clone to spawn in on before termination
Supply depot's not giving ammo
Bringing back the health bar for gunners for the pilot
Controllable floodlights
Rendering for null canons and turrets
Balancing damage output/survivability to better suit the dropships role
Bring back different small turrets to fit different roles
Etc.
The only thing I saw in your OP that was a legitimate gripe was the insane collision damage which every dropship pilot is tiered of at this point. The rest was you complaining about how assault dropships aren't enough like gunships to which the only thing I can say is "yeah, no s*** dude."
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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lowdevil
Savage Bullet
7
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Posted - 2014.11.13 08:57:00 -
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YOU JUST DESCRIBED MY IDEA FOR A GUNSHIP ADS ABOVE. THERE' S NO REASON FOR A PILOT TURRET THE WAY THEY HAVE THE MECHANICS SET UP. BUT SEEING HOW THE SHIPS SET UP TO SOLO I WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE REALITY OF THE PHYSICS. ALSO YOU WON'T LAST 5 SECOND SPENDING PG/CPU ON MULTIPLE TURRETS AND NOT DEFENSES. i GUESS ITS OKAY IN PUB MATCHES AGAINST NUBES THOUGH. THEY CAN GET RID OF THE ADS ALL TOGETHER AS LONG AS THEY GIVE ME BACK THE LOGI DROPSHIPS. THEY COULD ACTUALLY HOLD UP TO THE CURRENT OP STATE OF AV ATM. THERE'S YOUR GUNSHIP RIGHT THERE. BUT, FOR THE SOLO SHIP I STILL WANT 5%BONUS TO FIRE RATE NOT 3%. THAT'S A FAIR AND REASONABLE REQUEST.
I FLY A DROPSHIP IN EVERY MATCH I PLAY, THATS 100 MATCHES DAILY ON AVERAGE. I'VE CONFIGURED THEM EVERY WHICH WAY AND I PUT SERIOUS THOUGHT INTO THE REQUESTS ON MY POST |
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1952
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Posted - 2014.11.13 09:41:00 -
[51] - Quote
No idea how you got a gunship ads from my post but okay. I use my pilot turret for added DPs on hard targets like tanks, sure helps bringing them down. The only time an ads is set up to solo is for PC because lol PC and not having a role for a dropship. I have no idea of what you mean by "increase the reality of the physics." I last multiple games with my triple xt python and have a decent tank thanks to my maxed skills.
"They can get rid of the ads all together...." No.
Yeah they could give us 5% ROF on our skill, but the ads doesn't need that and if you have a gunner with ads skills you can reach that, but you would be a fool to choose a bad gunner with ROF skills than a great gunner with no skills.
I don't care if you only have skills in ads and you only fly assault dropships and never run on the ground, your ideas make the dropship op and is not what dropships need. That was the point of my post. There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed with the dropship and its role, small quality of life changes that would really help pilots out without making them solo murder machines.
What dropships need is an increased suppression ability, lower kill ability and higher tank.
Increase splash radius of missiles, lower splash damage, increase direct damage and increase tank. I'm sure you will disagree, but that's because you want to be a gunship pilot and not a dropship pilot.
lowdevil wrote:Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair.
If this is really "serious thought" for you then please, stop. This is about as fair and balanced as fox news.
Also, fix your caps lock, you look silly.
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
217
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:01:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:ADS pilots kill me...they want to be able to obliterate infantry and tanks with no effective counter.
They want swarms with no autolock..lol. So, while the ADS is maneuvering at 200+ meters in the air, they expect AV to be able to hit them with rockets....as if forging an ADS isn't hard enough
forging an ADS is easy as, just not when they are 200m in the air
and if an ADS has to be 200m in the air to avoid railguns, swarms and forges then what fun is it? It is just a waste of ISK...they need a buff. AV is over-powered as ****. 1 forge hit and i get knocked around, then the railgun shoots me before i can steady my ship. Swarms are to fast and as a few pilots have said: Get hit by first, 2nd round on there way, activate AB's then 2nd hits you and 3rd is launched
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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xavier zor
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
217
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:03:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:
What dropships need is an increased suppression ability, lower kill ability and higher tank.
Increase splash radius of missiles, lower splash damage, increase direct damage and increase tank. I'm sure you will disagree, but that's because you want to be a gunship pilot and not a dropship pilot.
No, ADS is designed for assaulting not suppressing (hence ASSAULT dropship)
increased slot modules or base hp and increased missile splash damage radius. They are far FAR to innaccurate
Highest plasma cannon kill: 132 metres
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1515
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:11:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:
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it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does.
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Also in the real world, a missile detonation close by an aircraft tends to cripple it's avionic surfaces hydralics etc.
That usually hurts the capability to stay in controlled flight.
So, I guess there are approximations both for and against.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1952
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:22:00 -
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xavier zor wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:
What dropships need is an increased suppression ability, lower kill ability and higher tank.
Increase splash radius of missiles, lower splash damage, increase direct damage and increase tank. I'm sure you will disagree, but that's because you want to be a gunship pilot and not a dropship pilot.
No, ADS is designed for assaulting not suppressing (hence ASSAULT dropship) increased slot modules or base hp and increased missile splash damage radius. They are far FAR to innaccurate
Yes its meant for assaulting, but with an assault team that deploys from the dropship and not just the dropship itself. There has to be a compromise, it can't be a tanked murder machine. The increased direct damage would reward accurate gunners.
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
266
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:36:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:I love how pilots keep saying that Swarms are EZ mode because they have a lock-on feature.
Yo, that's the only good thing Swarms are for. They are not AI since the ability to dumb fire was taken away. So they should excel and be a potential threat against any vehicle pilot.
My tip? Stop trying to kill AV units. You are just asking yourself to get killed if you flight straight towards them.
To be a better pilot/tanker
You must:
Be in a squad. The ability to use squad chat can help you by telling your squadmates that there is potential AV threat.
Locate AV player. A thing about AV player is that (for infantry) they can be seen by anyone. Just follow the general direction where the Swarms/Forge round came from.
STOP trying to chase and kill AV. Seriously, how many pilots/tankers have I killed because they decide to be cokcy and take me head on. They get the fire power advantage but I get the mobility, taking cover and speed to out-maneuver them
If you are ADS pilot, stop flying behind enemy lines to farm some kils. There's a huge chance of the AV units being behind the enemy lines. So yeah. Be smart and use the ADS for it's intended purpose. Strafing runs rather than Hover-And-Kill.
Before all you pilots come bashing at me. I am also an ADS pilot. Very first thing I skilled into when Uprising launched.
It takes skill to fly one now. And I like it.
I love your answer bro...
As I remember a while ago, my prof 5 swarms didn't scratch the paint on ADS and Tanks.
It would take up to three swarm launchers to even make an ADS break off the engagement.
5 vehicles on the map, 6 or 7 AV players actively shooting the vehicles in tandem and Tankers/ADS going 25/0 up to 40/0 kdrs against the enemy team.
What was the reply to vehicle OP QQ on the forums...
USE TEAMWORK...
All these solo vehicle players had the balls to get on the forums and tell players that WERE using team work to "get gud" at team work...
Now... 2 AV players can wreck crap tanks... proto fit tanks can still take the DPS and escape... but now the worm has turned...
And now Vehicle players are being told to USE TEAMWORK... to take down the AV.
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Jack Galen
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:40:00 -
[57] - Quote
To be fair, the balance has never been better. To me the only issue is the insane physics of collisions and weapon hits.
ADS are, without question, very powerful. We have the best mobility of any unit, and can output serious DPS. My fellow pilots seem to forget this a lot.
They are now opposed correctly by a real threat of just ONE person having swarms - no SP intensive PROTO or FG required. ADS can't just fly without a care in the world like we used to, which is good. If you stick around in an ADS after the first volley hits then you're nothing short of thick.
Most importantly, people have to think about their vehicle fittings to survive and be useful! SHOCK, HORROR!
If we could just tone down the collisions to, say, 50% of what they are now, it would be golden. My Myron often can't right itself before hitting the floor.  |
Mad Syringe
ReDust Inc.
306
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:51:00 -
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If you want to avoid swarms, you have to learn the art of the heli pilots, called nap of the earth which not only means to fly low, but also behind buildings and other cover like terrain.
Hitting afterburners and going for the flight ceiling is a scrub move, and should not be rewarded. Good pilots use the terrain to their advantage, if you can't do that, than it's high time for practice bro!
Anyway, since DS are fairly cheap right now, and decent AV fits (with at least wyrkomis) relatively expensive, I think it's fine as is.
Cheers
Dedicated Minmando Masshole with love for Swarmholing...
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
950
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Posted - 2014.11.13 14:39:00 -
[59] - Quote
Mad Syringe wrote:If you want to avoid swarms, you have to learn the art of the heli pilots, called nap of the earth which not only means to fly low, but also behind buildings and other cover like terrain. Hitting afterburners and going for the flight ceiling is a scrub move, and should not be rewarded. Good pilots use the terrain to their advantage, if you can't do that, than it's high time for practice bro!
NotE flying is not tenable for evasion, because of impacts causing massive bucking as well as Swarms operating too unlike actual missiles (following the path instead of going direct) to make that sort of flying worth the dangers.
It is unfortunate, but good pilots have tested the limits of Swarms and found that attempting to dodge/use NotE is simply not worthwhile. A further decrease to Swarm turning (as Stefan Stahl suggested elsewhere) would allow that, although manoeuvring a dropship often slows you down such that you are vulnerable to the incoming Swarms.
Mad Syringe wrote:Anyway, since DS are fairly cheap right now, and decent AV fits (with at least wyrkomis) relatively expensive, I think it's fine as is.
I agree that DSs have never had a better cost, I do disagree with your AV statement: Wiyrkomis cost 28,000 (less than a normal PRO weapon: fine, it's a specialist weapon) but the point is that AV is plenty effective at STD and ADV. I haven't had more than Swarm Operation 3 since...I don't know when. I use CBR7s and I can drive off vehicles perfectly fine: PRO is not necessary for good AV, and nor is a PRO suit.
On the flip side, an ADS does not require a PRO turret to be effective (my standard Pythons run AT-1s) though I can't say that using lower grade modules is worthwhile, due to the nature of get hit; immediately run, or die.
Jack Galen wrote:If you stick around in an ADS after the first volley hits then you're nothing short of thick.
Most importantly, people have to think about their vehicle fittings to survive and be useful! SHOCK, HORROR!
I agree with most of your other points, but I do have to talk about this.
As much as an ADS shouldn't be tanking dozens of hits and laughing them off, but the biggest issue is that AV will almost always hit you without warning, at which point you are forced to run. Whilst you shouldn't be able to just take all AV shots and kill everything (1.7 anyone?) you should have more than two seconds to react, control your ship and maybe fire an ineffectual shot or two. I'd very much like to be able to influence a fight when AV is present and not be immediately and completely made redundant: a change to the operation of small turrets to allow better strafing runs would let us use the style that Rattati has said we should be using without directly increasing our killing power or resilience.
As for fittings, vehicles are in an awful place for fitting variation: every DS needs an AB or has an enormously inflated risk of death. And almost every vehicle needs to slap on as much resilience as possible. I'd very much like to run low tank Pythons that can perform devastating strafe runs for my squad every (X cooldown) but with the way small missiles (and rails for the Incubus) work, I'm lucky to fire three shots and they are likely to be entirely inaccurate.
But anyway, I agree with you for the most part, it's just that we don't really have flexibility in fitting and only have one way of engaging properly (slow movement and low altitude.)
Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4940
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Powerh8er wrote:Lol, i go 3- 0 in madrugar or missile tank getting ****** by enemy av. **** ur ads. Tanking isn't for everyone....but seriously try a Gunnlogi..... they are just better.
The fact that you can say this unironicaly proves my point that going from fit-centric vehicles to hull-centric vehicles was bad for the game.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Pisidon Gmen
Ivory Vanguard
40
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:23:00 -
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DO NOT bring it in if you dont want to lose it says the proto swarmer with 3 complex damage mods(my fit is 128k)
demanding nurffs to wepons that have been nurfed several times is stupid
i all ready cant lock on at the distance i can be shot from tanks and drop ships and i have found several drop ships that are smart enuff not to take 3 rounds from me (they dont go down the hole battle) hit 1 time you better run
also sick of the dropship not blowing up when killed like tanks and lavs do clones coming out of the crash to kill me is crap if the thing is dead blowup and kill the pep in it like jeeps do
i get kills of dropships now and then but why is it aways 30 sec to 1 min past when the damage is dun to it ?
a tank or lav blows up on impact with the damage not latter giving them time to bail out
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Pisidon Gmen
Ivory Vanguard
40
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:31:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:the occasional straggler read your post. Hopefully more of the pilots do. Swarmers get it it easy with an Auto-Lock weapon. Why can't pilots get some love too? Also, Logi-Derps need to come back. Until it does, My Myron has become my bootleg Eryx.
pilots do have love over tanks and lavs dropships dont blow up on impact with swarms letting pilots bail as well as any outher clones probably 96% of the time a dropship goes down there are no clone kills and no battle feed to warn outher pilots of the swarms |
Pisidon Gmen
Ivory Vanguard
40
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:32:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:The python is suppose to be the king of Caldari drop-ships, yet, it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does. Now that I have spent 6 months!!! of daily play using 20mil sp to level up the ADS it gets nerfed to the point it's only good for killing droplinks and an occasional straggler. Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair. I'll use the spaces for pg cpu upgrades (since you won't upgrade that ever) and the fire rate to actually have a chance in hell to kill av dropsuits before they bounce my ship off the nearest building. One AV suit should not be able to drop an "Ass ault" ship from the sky in one volley. I'm fine with Two taking me down. And while we are talking about dropships, Fix the viper so it actually has the power to ascend without an afterburner, it's pathetic, and I would also like to land a viper without losing half my HP. 2 more thoughts and I'm done. Bring back the Turbines, Logi Dropships, and stop letting gorgon collisions bring down anything in the sky. this is dust 514 not dust "the ghad suicide terrorist game"
P.S.
The assault dropship fire mechanics are the stupidest part about them, I would be fine with getting rid of them completely and adding a gunship with side guns and speed, oh, and bring back the Logi Dropship!!
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DUST Fiend
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
15050
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:49:00 -
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I wonder when players will realize that Pythons aren't the only ADS.....
Rat certainly doesn't know yet.
Bitter Vet extraordinaire, vehicle specialist, sarcastic prick
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Quasar Storm
0uter.Heaven
287
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Quasar Storm wrote:boba's fetta wrote:you get killed by one shot from av 0.o
please do explain why my fully specced out commando + proto swarms shouldnt be able to kill you. Because. -- Swarms are still invisible ( It is a little better, But it still happens every game) -- Swarmers still do not properly render at times -- Tons of other potential dangers that pilots must look out for that instagib. -- Other "friendly" pilots -- Enemy pilots -- Invisible walls -- Random RDV drops that instagib you with zero warning -- MCC missiles -- Installation Missiles -- Swarms being EZ mode with Auto-Lock -- Players have the ability to reskill into Proto AV, So the majority have Proto swarms now. -- Shields being sh!t to start out with for Caldari Vehicles. (Seriously StarFox64 has better shield mechanics.) -The travel is still audible, and I've yet to be hit with an invisible swarm. -See above -Aren't related to Swarms, therefore have no bearings on SL balance* -Compared to the hard life of holding R1 and teleporting to the redline? Lol -Null* -Also irrelevant to Swarm Launchers* --- (1) Swarmers also face several issues, such as blueberries stealing their LAVs, blueberries blocking their shots, 12-15 hostile Infantry players, Scouts w/SGs, Sentinels w/HMGs, etc. However, none of these issues are related to ADSs, so none of them have an effect on AV/ADS balance. However, if you wish to balance SL on factors irrelevant to the SL, the same would have to be done to ADSs. (2) Players also have the ability to re-skill into AP weapons, which increases the quality of enemy threats an AVer has to deal with; it's still irrelevant to ADSs so it as well doesn't affect AV/ADS balance. Balance of quality around quantity is terrible because quantity of items is always inconsistent. For example, a PC match has an average of 2-4 ADSs but an average of 0-2 SL users. Should we buff SLs to compensate for the lower quantity in comparison to the ADS? No? Then that point is hypocritical, and null. (3) The MinCom's sprint speed is (relatively) crap as well. Should we nerf ADS flight speed?
You don't fly much do you? I get hit by invisible swarms every match & who cares if you can hear them whether I'm in my ADS or Tank. Get your facts straight. If you hear them, Its usually too late to get out unless you have your boosters & hardeners ready to go. Seeing them headed your way is much, Much better. The reality is, In every game, There are players that will dedicate their entire match trying to take you out giving no care for the win. Plus, since the swarmers 75% of the time STILL don't render, You can't even tell where the swarms are coming from & when you try to escape them by cornering towers or taking cover -- They go around it most of the time. I've seen swarms go through installations & hills & take 90 degree turns around corners. WTF is that? Also, Our acceleration was already nerfed. It actually takes an afterburner to reach escape velocities. I'm all for AV/Vehicle balance, But I'm pretty sure AV works pretty good. Better than it ever has. People still whining about how they can't do this or that solo is what's stupid.
I'm pretty sure its easy enough to take out a Python or an Incubus. Pythons just get screwed over more because shield mechanics suck. Shields still have a screwed up proficiency Vs. Rails & the slightest bump from anything or any stationary object, Will rip you apart. Everything I listed is what a pilot has to be completely aware of in a match. I added the instagibs because they are a reality to flying in this game. It's actually missing a lot more & things that can wipe us out pretty fast, But not instagibing ADSs. Why should just one swarmer even with Proto AV be able to solo ADSs? Its an EZ mode Auto-Lock weapon that is already very effective Vs. Any vehicle. I think that's mainly because we are all piloting STD vehicles & we are being bombarded by Proto tier AV. Hopefully CCP will have a higher tier ADS to further balance out the tiers.
ADS & Tank pilot.
Drifting on Stormy Seas.
The "Eh" Team
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Quasar Storm
0uter.Heaven
287
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:07:00 -
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Pisidon Gmen wrote:Quasar Storm wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:the occasional straggler read your post. Hopefully more of the pilots do. Swarmers get it it easy with an Auto-Lock weapon. Why can't pilots get some love too? Also, Logi-Derps need to come back. Until it does, My Myron has become my bootleg Eryx. pilots do have love over tanks and lavs dropships dont blow up on impact with swarms letting pilots bail as well as any outher clones probably 96% of the time a dropship goes down there are no clone kills and no battle feed to warn outher pilots of the swarms
Apparently, You just AV. If you did fly ADSs you would realize that a good pilot never relies on other team members & the pilot must take care of himself. Don't blow up on impact? Whoop dee ****!n doo. As soon as we hit anything at any speed, 9/10 our health is ZERO. So, It might as well explode on impact.
Also, How have we pilots have love again? Skills have been removed. Our modules have been taken away. Majority of our vehicles have been removed. Variety of turrets have been removed & have been all replaced by generic turrets & modules.
ADS & Tank pilot.
Drifting on Stormy Seas.
The "Eh" Team
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
98
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:44:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:lowdevil wrote:The python is suppose to be the king of Caldari drop-ships, yet, it reacts like a ping pong ball when a missle hits it. In the world of Physics an object with that much perceived weight and velocity should not react the way it does. Now that I have spent 6 months!!! of daily play using 20mil sp to level up the ADS it gets nerfed to the point it's only good for killing droplinks and an occasional straggler. Give me back at least half of the fire rate and all of the power from afterburners. While your at it add two more module spaces and a built in armor repair. I'll use the spaces for pg cpu upgrades (since you won't upgrade that ever) and the fire rate to actually have a chance in hell to kill av dropsuits before they bounce my ship off the nearest building. One AV suit should not be able to drop an "Ass ault" ship from the sky in one volley. I'm fine with Two taking me down. And while we are talking about dropships, Fix the viper so it actually has the power to ascend without an afterburner, it's pathetic, and I would also like to land a viper without losing half my HP. 2 more thoughts and I'm done. Bring back the Turbines, Logi Dropships, and stop letting gorgon collisions bring down anything in the sky. this is dust 514 not dust "the ghad suicide terrorist game"
P.S.
The assault dropship fire mechanics are the stupidest part about them, I would be fine with getting rid of them completely and adding a gunship with side guns and speed, oh, and bring back the Logi Dropship!! Same thing happens to the Myron. I was on Ashlands flying over the pipes to destroy uplinks, and a single forge shot flipped me 90 degrees and I fell to the ground before I could even react. I mean, I fit 3500 shield HP to try and avoid getting instablapped, and it happens anyway because the AV will just throw me into things.
It really depends where the forge hits the ship there have been times when i hit a viper on the rear while its AB is on and i change its direction of flight depending if its the cal or gal ship they both steer differently
The Little Girl with the HMG
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
98
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:15:00 -
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lowdevil wrote:Your swarms that requires 5mil sp to spec into should not easily take down a python the king of dropships that requires 20mil sp to proto out, not to mention the fact that it's an armor based weapon. The ads should be able to sit and take at least 3 volleys, you should have to reload and finish a second into a fully fitted Python. What you may not understand is that the ADS has been nerfed to the point that it can't even use any proto modules without a PG upgrade which uses up the 1 and only low slot on the ship. HOW DOES A VIPER HAVE MORE SLOTS THAN A PROTO PYTHON???? If you're going to take on a python one on one it should be with the plasma cannon or other SHIELD based weapon because that's all it is. I like the RACIAL differences in this game and agree with the added intelligence requirement in strategically using the right TOOL for the job. YOU swarmers should not be able to knock around my ship like a redheaded trailer queen at closing time, and you should have to work a lot harder to knock down my shields with a missle. HONESTLY THE ARROGANCE THAT A 47k HANDHELD WEAPON (NOT HEAVY WEAPON) SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO EASILY DESTROY A 600K PROTO SHIP THAT TAKES 6MONTHS TO SKILL UP INTO IS ASTOUNDING. The ADS should have enough time under fire to aim and release it's payload. Right now my python can be shot down by one wyrkomi swarm before I even get a chance to aim and fire 3times which is what it takes to kill a commando. I end up hurried and guessing at a few shots and running away. I would really like to sit outside the lock on range of a swarm but its nearly impossible to judge the 25m difference between missle range and swarm lock on range. In conclusion: MORE MODULES, MORE PG/CPU, DEVELOP COUNTERMEASURE FLARES, BUFF FIRE RATE BONUS 2%.
k)
lock on time 3 seconds 2 second pause between lock on a min of 15 seconds give or take to unload 3 vollies, i have seen properly fitted ADS easily shrug off 2-3 vollies, the fact that you are cocky as my dual swarm minmando pulls the other 3 vollies because you thought i had to reload, well yeah what you expect.
you compare the cost of a single weapon to the cost of a entire ship fitting is like saying miltia AR killed my proto suit , why should a free gun kill my proto fitting when i spent a **** ton of SP. its the same thing with tankers when they complain that we have proto AV and they dont have proto tanks but forget to mention that they have proto turrets but lets forget that part.
if i cna postion my self in a place that will get me the advantage ( yes i occonaly roof top camp when the emeny spams uplinks on the roofs) most of the time i just wait for the drop ship to fly close enough or when its turning or slowing down.
yes i do understand that the python needs a increase to its PG and CPU ( i also ADS part time on this acc and full time on my alt) and yes its a pain some times but i figured out as long as i can keep moving i wont have to worry, some times i find my self getting too cunty and i get shot down, the fact that the installations can auto lock and ping the **** out of you from a great distance dosent help either.
The Little Girl with the HMG
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Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9
98
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:22:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Uhm wow, look buddy you are a product of the misrepresented idea of dropships. You want to be a gunship pilot and that's all well and good, but trying to make the assault dropship a gunship is bad m'kay? I understand its hard to shoot av when they knock you all over, but av is meant to kill or route you.
The strength of the dropship is the teamwork aspect (if you didn't know teamwork is op) fit some turrets and get a good gunner or two, I cannot tell you how many times my gunners have saved my python from av. While I'm focusing on flying they are focusing on dropping targets, with the way the camera works for the pythons gun door gunners can do a much better job than you can. There are some issues with this that are worth griping about, namely gunners being able to kill themselves and the horrible rotation speed of turrets.
I fully agree i find it fun gunning for pilots ( im a decent shot) and its what caused me to spec into ADS. most of the time when i jump out of the ship the AVer has no idea becasue they are too focused on the ship i pop the AV get picked up rinse and repeat
The Little Girl with the HMG
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
845
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Posted - 2014.11.14 23:03:00 -
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Personally I think the airborne section of Dust is unfinished rather than unbalanced.
The ADS is the low-hp high-mobility variant. Yes, it gets batted around a lot and dies quickly once somebody aims a FG at it. So does a Scout when you aim a HMG at it, but nobody complains about that because a Scout deliberately chose his role. The ADS is the only aircraft that can be operated alone, so there are few options once that is countered.
The non-assault DS fair a lot better under "bad weather" conditions, but you can't switch between the two roles at will since one requires a gunner and the other doesn't. Long term we really need some medium air vehicle that can go toe-to-toe with AV but suffers when fighting lighter aircraft.
For now I think there's a lot less frustration in piloting if you set yourself up to be able to switch between the pilot's seat and ground-based roles at will. I tend to Logi up the place for bit if the FG presence is too strong. Then I call the ADS back in when the other team switches back to anti-infantry. |
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
3003
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:06:00 -
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Quasar Storm wrote:Pisidon Gmen wrote:Quasar Storm wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:the occasional straggler read your post. Hopefully more of the pilots do. Swarmers get it it easy with an Auto-Lock weapon. Why can't pilots get some love too? Also, Logi-Derps need to come back. Until it does, My Myron has become my bootleg Eryx. pilots do have love over tanks and lavs dropships dont blow up on impact with swarms letting pilots bail as well as any outher clones probably 96% of the time a dropship goes down there are no clone kills and no battle feed to warn outher pilots of the swarms Apparently, You just AV. If you did fly ADSs you would realize that a good pilot never relies on other team members & the pilot must take care of himself. Don't blow up on impact? Whoop dee ****!n doo. As soon as we hit anything at any speed, 9/10 our health is ZERO. So, It might as well explode on impact. Also, How have we pilots have love again? Skills have been removed. Our modules have been taken away. Majority of our vehicles have been removed. Variety of turrets have been removed & have been all replaced by generic turrets & modules.
Preach on brotha!!!
R&B gets more kinky with every album Still rocking ADS
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Will Driver
Horizons' Edge
Proficiency V.
210
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:29:00 -
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Pilot tears are music to my ears ... 
GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥
GÇò Albert Einstein
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1961
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:11:00 -
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Will Driver wrote:Pilot tears are music to my ears ...
You UST have not even here before 1.7 dust....
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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