DUST Search - i hate being broke can we have raised isk payouts please? :(

RayRay James wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

I am rather surprised you're broke, Saxon, but perhaps running something other than proto suits and proto weapons is in your future.

Makes it a bit harder to have 30+, 40+ or 50+ kill games, but you'll certainly make more ISK.

Personally, I have two cheap fits I run when I'm running a bit low on funds -- a dual ScP advanced cal scout, and a BPO Dren Heavy w/advanced HMG. Both are very isk-efficient (around 30k), still let me get plenty of kills, and are loads of fun to play.

I have a fully blueprint logi suit, I can run 3 of 4 matches in it and be fine. Problem is, then if I pull out the proto, or even some adv scout/commando, all that isk is gone. The proto can wipe out 4 or 5 matches worth of isk in 3 deaths.

Logis, in general, get shafted. We're slow, low ehp, and our role bonuses aren't that great (imo). I understand my role (Ive been playing it for 2+ years) but come on, 286K for a proto logi? And I might get 300K in a match? One loss and I'm even, 2 and I'm deep in the red. I might as well fly an DS, costs less and I have better survivability. If I get someone in the door, I can kill better too.

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saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 700	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:39:00 - [1] - Quote I tried running basic but its actually really hard to make a profit in this game i usually logi for isk but then i notice my team are really sucky and cant seem to shoot straight and die then i cant pick them up cos they dont call for help and i end up on my own with no sub it sucks i just hate being broke SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 963	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:40:00 - [2] - Quote not sure how one loses all their darn isk in battles unless you're running a lot of proto stuff. Running in Militia all the way to Advanced gear has always been enough for me. Should Legion be on the ps4?
shaman oga The Dunwich Horror 3119	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:41:00 - [3] - Quote not sure if you are serious or trolling... Join channel: FW Kickstarter More people in = more FW matches
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1819	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:45:00 - [4] - Quote saxonmish wrote: I tried running basic but its actually really hard to make a profit in this game lol i usually logi for isk but then i notice my team are really sucky and cant seem to shoot straight and die then i cant pick them up cos they dont call for help and i end up on my own with no sub lol it sucks i just hate being broke lol which logi cause i seem to do fine with standard min+CR+adv equipment (like 16-20k per load) or gal logi+BAR+advanced equipment (like 18-21k) so with average payout for some effort being like 200k thats 10 deaths you can get before you go into the red. [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 700	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:46:00 - [5] - Quote shaman oga wrote: not sure if you are serious or trolling... kinda serious i can make a profit but it takes too long but i will be getting rid of my vehicles to see if that helps SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1819	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:46:00 - [6] - Quote shaman oga wrote: not sure if you are serious or trolling... running logi is more expencive then other suits by 2x and that dosnt help us at all because we have such low efp we gotta brick tank to get comparable ehp but as we all know bricking = slow as hell = easy to shoot = die easly = low isk efficiency [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
1913 DfLo ScReWeD uP InC 66	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:49:00 - [7] - Quote Being broke sucks period *ScReWeD uP InC* *BPO's Link Inside*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 4737	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:51:00 - [8] - Quote Wait... I can run std/adv fittings and turn a small profit every match. I can run 'Quafe'/std fittings and turn a large profit every match. Keep in mind, I suck at Dust 514. You are significantly more skilled than I am, and you... can't turn a profit? Either you are trolling us or you are asking for increased payouts so you never have to run anything non-proto. My advice to you, playa...
da GAND Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 964	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:54:00 - [9] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Wait... I can run std/adv fittings and turn a small profit every match. I can run 'Quafe'/std fittings and turn a large profit every match. Keep in mind, I suck at Dust 514. You are significantly more skilled than I am, and you... can't turn a profit? Either you are trolling us or you are asking for increased payouts so you never have to run anything non-proto. Ya he's either trolling or forgot how to survive in anything less than a proto suit just like all those that only run proto suits now. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Mejt0 Puff n Puffers 498	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:10:00 - [10] - Quote da GAND wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Wait... I can run std/adv fittings and turn a small profit every match. I can run 'Quafe'/std fittings and turn a large profit every match. Keep in mind, I suck at Dust 514. You are significantly more skilled than I am, and you... can't turn a profit? Either you are trolling us or you are asking for increased payouts so you never have to run anything non-proto. Ya he's either trolling or forgot how to survive in anything less than a proto suit just like all those that only run proto suits now. Or maybe he no longer play with full proto squad that can save his a$$ :). Either this or as above. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.

Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3104	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:12:00 - [11] - Quote gid guud? EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1820	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:13:00 - [12] - Quote da GAND wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Wait... I can run std/adv fittings and turn a small profit every match. I can run 'Quafe'/std fittings and turn a large profit every match. Keep in mind, I suck at Dust 514. You are significantly more skilled than I am, and you... can't turn a profit? Either you are trolling us or you are asking for increased payouts so you never have to run anything non-proto. Ya he's either trolling or forgot how to survive in anything less than a proto suit just like all those that only run proto suits now. other way around for me, i run std most of the time but when i hop into a proto it feels like godmode and soem matches i dont die but i dont make as much isk/sp as i would if i was being more risky/stupid [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]] All Hail our Lord and Savior CCP RATTATTI o7
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 1	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:24:00 - [13] - Quote I play Dust 514, because the economy of the game... All of us, are MERCENARIES, so we fight for money, but if you need invest more ISK in your fits that ISK Paid as reward ... you are a BAD PLAYER. Many Aurum-proto fits are more OP that a ISK fit... (CCP bussines). but you can run a cheap-funtional fit, make some millions and run Proto fits only in BC's BPO APEX-SERIES will be the solution for brocken wallets in Dust.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 18987	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:36:00 - [14] - Quote You permarun proto, though...? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Currently challenging CCP Rattati for the queef
zzZaXxx Vengeance Unbound 655	Posted - 2014.11.12 16:51:00 - [15] - Quote saxonmish wrote: I tried running basic but its actually really hard to make a profit in this game i usually logi for isk but then i notice my team are really sucky and cant seem to shoot straight and die then i cant pick them up cos they dont call for help and i end up on my own with no sub it sucks i just hate being broke TTK has sped up a lot recently, partly from guns getting buffed, partly from the improved frame rate, and all the kills scouts have added to the game since 1.8 has never been accounted for. Rattati needs to look at the numbers because it's nigh impossible without having a good thing going in PC (too much trouble!) to make a profit. That smacks of faulty design to me and needs to be looked at.
Ku Shala The Generals 1012	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:46:00 - [16] - Quote isk payout for people ranking under top three need to be increased dramatically, think of the newberries! die 10 + times a match to make under 100k isk minimum payout for participating in a full match should be 100k no matter if you rank 1st or 16th back to simple clone math 150 clones (basic suit cost 5-20k isk advanced35- 100k+ proto $$$) so go max per tier basic suits in domination or skirmish 150 x 20 000 (isk/suit) = 3 000 000 (high cost for 150 clones to enter battle) / 16(players/match) 187 500 per player average if cloned. advanced suits in domination or skirmish 150x 100 000 (isk per suit) = 15 000 000 (high cost for 150 clones to enter battle) / 16 (players/match) 937500 per player average if cloned. look at those numbers does anyone get anywhere near those payouts no, should they no, but you should be able to profit in 16th place running advanced gear. the profit should be minimal but the cost of clones per player should be a base start for the payout to the team.(esspecially for the victor) more clones left at the end of battle more profit for the whole team. isk payout is bs why come to a fight for less than 100 k my time is worth that crunch some numbers and find the average cost of an advanced suit with advanced modules and use that average against 150 clones and come up with a better base payout when entering a match thank-you *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2130	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:50:00 - [17] - Quote I am rather surprised you're broke, Saxon, but perhaps running something other than proto suits and proto weapons is in your future. Makes it a bit harder to have 30+, 40+ or 50+ kill games, but you'll certainly make more ISK. Personally, I have two cheap fits I run when I'm running a bit low on funds -- a dual ScP advanced cal scout, and a BPO Dren Heavy w/advanced HMG. Both are very isk-efficient (around 30k), still let me get plenty of kills, and are loads of fun to play.
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4556	Posted - 2014.11.12 17:59:00 - [18] - Quote Nvm can't link Fergie- Glamorous on my phone (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1704	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:04:00 - [19] - Quote da GAND wrote: not sure how one loses all their darn isk in battles unless you're running a lot of proto stuff. Running in Militia all the way to Advanced gear has always been enough for me. It's called being the only mother jammer on your team trying to win. Running below adv in that situation mostly means you're just making your teams clone count go down faster. Sure you could still make a profit running free suits but all you're doing is making your team lose faster trying to take on over half the enemy team by yourself every time you spawn in; it's like breaking your leg with a sledge hammer, that sh!t just ain't fun. I'm surprised Maynard hasn't been assassinated yet. Join us in our Pumpkin Crushing
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 362	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:16:00 - [20] - Quote saxonmish wrote: I then i notice my team are really sucky Troll confirmed. I don't pretend to know whether or not you always run a certain fit, never squaded with you so i can't speculate. But i can at least put togehter your not dumb enough to whine about a ''suky team'' Bt you can try running a 200 k + All Proto Minamatar Logi and tell me how much profit you make each match if you think its easy mode. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.

Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 844	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:19:00 - [21] - Quote It's much more gratifying to dominate those proto-scrubs in a STD suit anyway. Go Go Go.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 724	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I am rather surprised you're broke, Saxon, but perhaps running something other than proto suits and proto weapons is in your future. Makes it a bit harder to have 30+, 40+ or 50+ kill games, but you'll certainly make more ISK. Personally, I have two cheap fits I run when I'm running a bit low on funds -- a dual ScP advanced cal scout, and a BPO Dren Heavy w/advanced HMG. Both are very isk-efficient (around 30k), still let me get plenty of kills, and are loads of fun to play. I have a fully blueprint logi suit, I can run 3 of 4 matches in it and be fine. Problem is, then if I pull out the proto, or even some adv scout/commando, all that isk is gone. The proto can wipe out 4 or 5 matches worth of isk in 3 deaths. Logis, in general, get shafted. We're slow, low ehp, and our role bonuses aren't that great (imo). I understand my role (Ive been playing it for 2+ years) but come on, 286K for a proto logi? And I might get 300K in a match? One loss and I'm even, 2 and I'm deep in the red. I might as well fly an DS, costs less and I have better survivability. If I get someone in the door, I can kill better too.
Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 615	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:37:00 - [23] - Quote I have multiple cheaper variations of my fit which I use based on how the match is going. First, I limit myself to 200K (the standard payout). I never start a match wearing Proto. Normally, I'll first deploy in a 50K-ish ADV fit. I'll use this fit (or a fit of similar value) up to about my third death, after which I will use a 25K fit. If I'm getting totally stomped and going 8+ deaths, I'll either not deploy, or just use a starter fit. I only really like using Proto if I know we're gonna win, and I'm unlikely to die. Using this method, I pretty much never go ISK-negative. I'm currently sitting on approx 140 mil, after restocking all my fits to 200. ISK is easy, SP is the tricky thing! Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel I survived 1.8! Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Ku Shala The Generals 1013	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:51:00 - [24] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: saxonmish wrote: I then i notice my team are really sucky Troll confirmed. I don't pretend to know whether or not you always run a certain fit, never squaded with you so i can't speculate. But i can at least put togehter your not dumb enough to whine about a ''suky team'' Bt you can try running a 200 k + All Proto Minamatar Logi and tell me how much profit you make each match if you think its easy mode. 4 vs 8+ really starts sucking with this new matchmaking you can go against the same team over and over and because your small squad has high sp you go against 2 squads and have 12 BB running around aimlessly, while you keep getting ambushed while the whole enemy team watches your every move. *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (Caldari Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist *Assault -Logistics-Sentinal-Scout-Commando Allround CK-0
Aria Gomes Wirykomi Wolf Pack 677	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:55:00 - [25] - Quote Running proto will destroy your isk wallet, ADV will keep you fighting for the next paycheck, and basic will help you ge money quick. During the sidearm event I got a million isk from a basic Min Scout with mlt knives and mlt bolt pistol. Everything else was complex. Tumblr
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2142	Posted - 2014.11.12 19:59:00 - [26] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am rather surprised you're broke, Saxon, but perhaps running something other than proto suits and proto weapons is in your future. Makes it a bit harder to have 30+, 40+ or 50+ kill games, but you'll certainly make more ISK. Personally, I have two cheap fits I run when I'm running a bit low on funds -- a dual ScP advanced cal scout, and a BPO Dren Heavy w/advanced HMG. Both are very isk-efficient (around 30k), still let me get plenty of kills, and are loads of fun to play. I have a fully blueprint logi suit, I can run 3 of 4 matches in it and be fine. Problem is, then if I pull out the proto, or even some adv scout/commando, all that isk is gone. The proto can wipe out 4 or 5 matches worth of isk in 3 deaths. Logis, in general, get shafted. We're slow, low ehp, and our role bonuses aren't that great (imo). I understand my role (Ive been playing it for 2+ years) but come on, 286K for a proto logi? And I might get 300K in a match? One loss and I'm even, 2 and I'm deep in the red. I might as well fly an DS, costs less and I have better survivability. If I get someone in the door, I can kill better too. I agree, logis are the toughest of the roles to make money on at proto level due to the increases costs. TBH, the only time I run them now is in PC or if our squad is really hurting for one. Proto logis are also, however, WP machines -- and this is also true in the case of standard and advanced versions. I think the fix is to increase payouts for people towards the top end of the board, and stop rewarding as much ISK for people at the bottom. This would also, hopefully, reward people actually trying in the game rather than just redline sniping (and other low risk activities) to avoid ISK losses.
Crimson ShieId Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1372	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:00:00 - [27] - Quote Sorry, Sax, but I'm gonna have to go with the ones saying you're trolling. The way you play, I just can't see you going Isk negative unless you continued to run full proto. I can't even call myself a slayer, but the only way I can go negative in a match is if I'm screwing around (AKA: Having fun punching everyone) or trying to enact a vendetta on a tank or rooftop camper. You should have billions with your KD/R. I want to punch.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2142	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:01:00 - [28] - Quote I don't think he is trolling. First off, it's not his style. Second, even with a proto KDR of 6, when you're getting 20 or 30 or more kills per match, your losses overcome your winnings. It's really not a stretch....
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 414	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:08:00 - [29] - Quote Watches a saxomish video. Reads saxomish thread title. Watches another saxomish video. "There's fuckery afoot" Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader Hi
saxonmish T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 708	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:14:00 - [30] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Watches a saxomish video. Reads saxomish thread title. Watches another saxomish video. "There's fuckery afoot" watch my video's and watch my wallet fluctuate SAXON ON A MISH - My Youtube Channel :)



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