DUST Search - i hate being broke can we have raised isk payouts please? :(

Leadfoot10 wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

I am rather surprised you're broke, Saxon, but perhaps running something other than proto suits and proto weapons is in your future.

Makes it a bit harder to have 30+, 40+ or 50+ kill games, but you'll certainly make more ISK.

Personally, I have two cheap fits I run when I'm running a bit low on funds -- a dual ScP advanced cal scout, and a BPO Dren Heavy w/advanced HMG. Both are very isk-efficient (around 30k), still let me get plenty of kills, and are loads of fun to play.

I have a fully blueprint logi suit, I can run 3 of 4 matches in it and be fine. Problem is, then if I pull out the proto, or even some adv scout/commando, all that isk is gone. The proto can wipe out 4 or 5 matches worth of isk in 3 deaths.

Logis, in general, get shafted. We're slow, low ehp, and our role bonuses aren't that great (imo). I understand my role (Ive been playing it for 2+ years) but come on, 286K for a proto logi? And I might get 300K in a match? One loss and I'm even, 2 and I'm deep in the red. I might as well fly an DS, costs less and I have better survivability. If I get someone in the door, I can kill better too.

I agree, logis are the toughest of the roles to make money on at proto level due to the increases costs. TBH, the only time I run them now is in PC or if our squad is really hurting for one.

Proto logis are also, however, WP machines -- and this is also true in the case of standard and advanced versions.

I think the fix is to increase payouts for people towards the top end of the board, and stop rewarding as much ISK for people at the bottom.

This would also, hopefully, reward people actually trying in the game rather than just redline sniping (and other low risk activities) to avoid ISK losses.


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RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 724	Posted - 2014.11.12 18:20:00 - [1] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I am rather surprised you're broke, Saxon, but perhaps running something other than proto suits and proto weapons is in your future. Makes it a bit harder to have 30+, 40+ or 50+ kill games, but you'll certainly make more ISK. Personally, I have two cheap fits I run when I'm running a bit low on funds -- a dual ScP advanced cal scout, and a BPO Dren Heavy w/advanced HMG. Both are very isk-efficient (around 30k), still let me get plenty of kills, and are loads of fun to play. I have a fully blueprint logi suit, I can run 3 of 4 matches in it and be fine. Problem is, then if I pull out the proto, or even some adv scout/commando, all that isk is gone. The proto can wipe out 4 or 5 matches worth of isk in 3 deaths. Logis, in general, get shafted. We're slow, low ehp, and our role bonuses aren't that great (imo). I understand my role (Ive been playing it for 2+ years) but come on, 286K for a proto logi? And I might get 300K in a match? One loss and I'm even, 2 and I'm deep in the red. I might as well fly an DS, costs less and I have better survivability. If I get someone in the door, I can kill better too.
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound RISE of LEGION 725	Posted - 2014.11.12 20:39:00 - [2] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: RayRay James wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: I am rather surprised you're broke, Saxon, but perhaps running something other than proto suits and proto weapons is in your future. Makes it a bit harder to have 30+, 40+ or 50+ kill games, but you'll certainly make more ISK. Personally, I have two cheap fits I run when I'm running a bit low on funds -- a dual ScP advanced cal scout, and a BPO Dren Heavy w/advanced HMG. Both are very isk-efficient (around 30k), still let me get plenty of kills, and are loads of fun to play. I have a fully blueprint logi suit, I can run 3 of 4 matches in it and be fine. Problem is, then if I pull out the proto, or even some adv scout/commando, all that isk is gone. The proto can wipe out 4 or 5 matches worth of isk in 3 deaths. Logis, in general, get shafted. We're slow, low ehp, and our role bonuses aren't that great (imo). I understand my role (Ive been playing it for 2+ years) but come on, 286K for a proto logi? And I might get 300K in a match? One loss and I'm even, 2 and I'm deep in the red. I might as well fly an DS, costs less and I have better survivability. If I get someone in the door, I can kill better too. I agree, logis are the toughest of the roles to make money on at proto level due to the increases costs. TBH, the only time I run them now is in PC or if our squad is really hurting for one. Proto logis are also, however, WP machines -- and this is also true in the case of standard and advanced versions. I think the fix is to increase payouts for people towards the top end of the board, and stop rewarding as much ISK for people at the bottom. This would also, hopefully, reward people actually trying in the game rather than just redline sniping (and other low risk activities) to avoid ISK losses. We did take a bit of a nerf to WP with the needle changes. If I'm running solo, those people that I could successfully pick up before now don't know I'm actually not a scrub and won't hit the revive button. I understand (somewhat) the need for the change, but still. As for being a WP Machine, If that translated into a higher isk payout, I'd be all for it. However, in most cases now, I can get a higher return on investment as a adv scout set for hacking and coming in third than I can as a proto logi coming in first. Personally, I don't think that's right.