ok then what about the rest of what I said? here is food for thought. you can use any suit for anything you wish however (wthin game seting) if you are not using it to its pros then you can not say look it is uneven. it is like a heavy using a nova knives -(apples to oranges) . although your comparing those two is more like apples to pears close but different.

Role wise the Caldari and Gallente assaults perform the same role, which is to kill. How they perform this role is drastically different yet their function is the same.

The problem that will happen is that making the suit viable to "be stealthy" would be a change to it's roles necessary functions, that is those necessary for it to perform any useful functions in the near future as the EWAR meta continues to change. Because of this the point that is being made is that, the Gallente suit CANNOT handle this change in meta, and anything that cannot change and adapt to the meta becomes obsolete and dies, Darwinism.

Breach AR nerf? Are you serious? You do play this game right? Is the reduced range in which you are forced to fight in not enough for you?

And as far as Gallente Logis go, I bought the respec to skill out of Gallente Logistics because I knew you guys would nerf the ever loving **** out of scanners.

I could say a lot more but I'm sick right now with a Cold.

But I'm severely disappointed in you, anything other than an Efficiency range nerf to the Breach AR would send it back into being **** again.

BAR nerf is on the table, yes.

We are also rebuffing gallente native reps, based on 12 pages of feedback

Gallente suitslast buffnew buff
Commando35
Logi35
Medium Basic35
Heavy Basic2.54.5
Assault2.54.5
Sentinel24
Light Basic23
Scout1.52.5

The basic frames have higher regen than the specialised suits? Am I reading that correctly? If so, why?

OK, been thinking a lot about the scan duration and know why it may not be necessary. It's the combination of knowing the direction on top of the duration.

So probably pulling the change until we remove the directional arrows.

Increase precision on scanners and increase the bonus to precision on gallente logistics suit. That way you can scan crappy ssuits but for anyone willing tp put points jn dampening it will take more than that.

I would suggest the following:

*Applies to players fully skilled into dampening using no dampeners.

1. a standard scanner cannot pick up heavy suits or below unless the scanner user has at least level 1 in gallente logi in which case he can scan heavy suits but not medium or light with the standard scanner.


2. An advanced scanner can scan heavy suits without the user being skilled in gallente logistics. An advanced scanner cannot pick up medium suits unless the user is using a gallente logistics suit with the gallente logi skill at level 3.



3. A proto scanner can scan heavy and medium suits without any skills into the gallente logistics suit but not scouts. A proto scanner user can scan scouts only if the user has level 5 in gallente logistics.

*focused scanner should be reduced to 75 meter but can scann all suit types.

Increase precision on scanners and increase the bonus to precision on gallente logistics suit. That way you can scan crappy ssuits but for anyone willing tp put points jn dampening it will take more than that.

I would suggest the following:

*Applies to players fully skilled into dampening using no dampeners.

1. a standard scanner cannot pick up heavy suits or below unless the scanner user has at least level 1 in gallente logi in which case he can scan heavy suits but not medium or light with the standard scanner.


2. An advanced scanner can scan heavy suits without the user being skilled in gallente logistics. An advanced scanner cannot pick up medium suits unless the user is using a gallente logistics suit with the gallente logi skill at level 3.



3. A proto scanner can scan heavy and medium suits without any skills into the gallente logistics suit but not scouts. A proto scanner user can scan scouts only if the user has level 5 in gallente logistics.

*focused scanner should be reduced to 75 meter but can scann all suit types.

Spreadsheet on an idea for AR changes that won't necessarily nerf it, but allow it to play slightly differently and thus "nerfing" it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fcbHsEHX9jNk72PH0_zs6ZLC7oL6DDkOdVMvUTRtU60/edit?usp=sharing

Rattati - ARR kick. Is it going to pre-nerf levels?

Its really balanced at the moment IMO.

I don't think it is. Its supposed to be fr CQC, but it lags behind the other rifles because of the lowest DPs of the assault variants (working as intended) and hipfire kick making it unwieldy inCQC (needs correcting)

Idk I think it's range needs to be lower, the difference between the rail rifle dps and a assault scrambler is practically none but the range diff is 10 meters.

Rattati while I believe that heat control plays a part in balancing the HMG it is not the whole story. It will only drop the numbers when you hit the heat threshold where there is no functional difference between the burst and standard HMGs.

It provides too much of an advantage in close-in fighting to regulate down to appreciable without knocking it to a short burst operating weapon. I can tell you that it will not fall off in popularity until its usefulness is measured in single digit seconds which will obviates it's purpose of sustained fire point defense.

Further because of the sentinels focus on CQC to the exclusion of all else touching mobility does more damage than good and will break the class as we saw in chrome with HMGS that operated only at close ranges without the ability to track strafing enemies.

But the CQC arena also obviates the drawbacks of the heavy frame due to the fact that almost all of the primary objectives have zero visibility outside the HMG optimal. This creates a no-win situation for most light weapons except scout run weapons because the scout can cause HMG hit detection to fail, but more likely the sentinel won't see them.
the scout sentinel interaction isn't a problem.

The things that are required to make scouts efficient vs. HMG heavies lead to scouts also having unnerving efficacy versus assaults who should be the scissors to scout paper.

But let's go down the list.

Hitbox: you can't miss a sentinel, this is established but in CQC you cannot maneuver well enough, or get enough range to capitalize on this. CQC negates the hitbox disadvantage.

Speed: CQC obviates the need for speed and maneuverability by forcing fast moving opponents to move with caution through established and predictable chokepoints to engage which allows sentinels to negate their maneuverability problems.

Range: An LAV can be exploited to get a heavy into optimal. Because of the hull buffs to LAVS AV grenades are no longer an effective deterrent as any LAV without any modules requires two shots with any prototype AV to kill. CQC forces assault dropsuits to engage inside HMG optimal leading to a need for the use of OHK alpha to evict sentinels entrenched. This tactic is unreliable and easily countered.

Scouts: because scouts have to be able to kill heavies in CQC they are less vulnerable to attack by assaults.

Sensor blindness: Sentinels are sensor blind but can entrench in positions where their backs are to a wall and all approaches are covered within optimal.

Mobility: turn speed penalty was removed from the dropsuit because you cannot have a designated CQC platform that can be torched like a turtle on it's back.

Vulnerability to focused fire: CQC allows chokepoints that force other players to engage face to face one at a time.

The problem is not the sentinel, the problem is the assigned venue combined with a sustained fire weapon. CQC negates heavy disadvantages. Period.

The only place where sentinels are vulnerable is open terrain.

Rattati your work with the burst is beautiful. That iteration of the HMG is what a CQC heavy weapon should be. It has sufficient drawbacks to not dominate because it is not a sustained engagement weapon.

However, the other two HMG iterations create more problems in CQC than any other weapon. The only way to bring them in line without basically making them burst HMG copypasta with a few tweaks is to remove them from CQC and make them open ground, area denial weapons.

I suggest placing a turn speed penalty on the standard and assault variants to discourage their use in CQC and buffing their range so they remain powerful squad support weapons but with an exploitable weakness commiserate to the burst.

Assaults should not be helpless against sentinels in close and sentinels are not nearly exposed enough to weapons that can torch them while entrenched.

I admire your willingness to review the issue and I'll be damned if I don't agree that Sentinels are too dominant. But the approach you are taking will require making the burst a better choice in all situations to accomplish the same mission.

Please consider changing the gun's role to change the dynamic of the dropsuit.

Militia HMGs are almost less efficient than using an assault rifle.

The overheat almost makes the burst HMG look forgiving.

And no. Unless the almost can be removed from my statements the spam will not stop.

You underestimate the persistence of players looking for easy fast kills.

The HMG is always going to be on the razor's edge because CQC negates all disadvantages of the sentinel suits themselves.

This was supposed to follow the clip buff of the ARR, and the ARR will also benefit from less kick (above)
ARR clip to from 252348buff

So we are aiming for redoing the "lost" balance hotfix next Tuesday.

Here are additional tweaks we are proposing to add to that hotfix. Please comment.

HMG-Sentinel is simply too dominant across all game modes. The best way to allow other Frames to combat them is to get them when they are down. I believe Heat is the best way to manage this situation. Good Sentinels will manage their heat well and not be bothered by this change.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2378540#post2378540


Militia HMG23.525.0nerf
Standard HMG1820.0nerf
Advanced HMG17.119.0nerf
Prototype HMG16.218.0nerf
Officer HMG15.317.0nerf

The normal RR was supposed to get increased charge up to reduce its CQC ability. Using the opportunity to pull back on the Kick magnification.

Rail Rifle: charge- up0.30.6nerf
Kick ease :0.20.1buff

A new players worst experience is to get insta-popped during spawn-ins. Adding a CRU passive scan is a good way to help players decide whether this will be suicidal or not. Precision catches all non-damped and non-damp skilled frames

CRU passive scan:15m radius35 precisionbuff

This was supposed to follow the clip buff of the ARR, and the ARR will also benefit from less kick (above)
ARR clip to from 252348buff

The current delay is almost not noticeable. Bumping it to 1.0 seconds, but also re-introducing the de-cloak animation, that makes the decloak happen over time. These should offset with a slight nerf to cloaks.
Cloak delay 1. secnerf
Cloak animation 1 secbuff

Commonly requested, reducing the zoomed tracking speed of the laser, incrementally. Maybe more later.
ADS laser
yaw0.30.25request

With team based scans, we need to react immediately, there is too much scanning going on without effort. Further buffs and nerfs to scanning will follow with EWAR shake-up initiative

Focused Active Scanner: Only squad sharenerf
Base range100m75mnerf
Base visibility from 5 to 35 seconds3 secondsnerf

Thanks!

Please don't nerf the Focused Scanner. It is not OP. It is not being Spammed. The range and duration are unnecessary, and this is coming from someone that has all 4 proto scouts. (yes on squad only though)

Agreed. Much better off spamming one of the 28dB scanners. Of the proto scanners, I'd imagine the Creodron Flux is your best seller and Focused or Proximity is your worst. As far as pubs go, at least.