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DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:22:00 - [1] - Quote It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 848	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:25:00 - [2] - Quote I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1464	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:28:00 - [3] - Quote i disagree as most vets can easly have 30m+ sp and even after the new changes comming in 1.9 the vets will get a massive multipler to sp while newbies still need to nolife or raise their loyalty level up to get better returns at the end of a match.. all the while vets are speeding ahead getting like 5x or more the sp newbros get so vets will still be ahead.. and newbros will get some better sp per game then they currently get meaning they get basic/standard much much faster and advanced a bit faster.. proto is still a massive leap/commitment my verdict the "vet respect" is still there (if such a thing existed in the first place as vets would just roflstomp newbros who are in mlt suits anyway and cause newbros to leave dust and not play again) but this is more about helping newbros get up to speed and also rewarding vets so i see it as Win Win [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:28:00 - [4] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. Not sure what point you're trying to make here. For me it's not about the numbers. It's about having ALL your dropsuit upgrades maxed, so you're just that much better, faster, and stronger. It's about feeling a sense of accomplishment becoming, for example, a Gallente Logi. I was very proud of this because hardly anyone else was willing to choose that race. Not anymore. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1464	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:30:00 - [5] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. thats just "bitter-vet" but a generalized "vet" is lets say 30m+ sp their preferred role is proto cores maxed weapon maxed and a good amount of knowledge of the game and maps (which will be shaken up in 1.9 with new maps and the tweaks to old) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:31:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i disagree as most vets can easly have 30m+ sp and even after the new changes comming in 1.9 the vets will get a massive multipler to sp while newbies still need to nolife or raise their loyalty level up to get better returns at the end of a match.. all the while vets are speeding ahead getting like 5x or more the sp newbros get so vets will still be ahead.. and newbros will get some better sp per game then they currently get meaning they get basic/standard much much faster and advanced a bit faster.. proto is still a massive leap/commitment my verdict the "vet respect" is still there (if such a thing existed in the first place as vets would just roflstomp newbros who are in mlt suits anyway and cause newbros to leave dust and not play again) but this is more about helping newbros get up to speed and also rewarding vets so i see it as Win Win but it devalues each role. you used to be a unique person on the battlefield if you chose something and stuck with it. all the SP boost means for vets is that the roles we haven't skilled into yet are that much less important. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 463	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:32:00 - [7] - Quote Who cares? Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 850	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:32:00 - [8] - Quote Point being, I'm not as effective on the field as I am because of my core skills: it's from knowing the maps intimately and knowing how to read the flow of battle - no amount of SP can give that. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 992	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:32:00 - [9] - Quote I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P2. Snarcasm > Sarcasm Excessively British.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:34:00 - [10] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. Forgot about that. You may have a point there. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.

Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 441	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:34:00 - [11] - Quote Skill>quick sp good players will still be good, noobs will still be noobs, just into ill fitted proto suit quicker. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:40:00 - [12] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Skill>quick sp good players will still be good, noobs will still be noobs, just into ill fitted proto suit quicker. but the SP is too quick. 8 times faster than before with an omega? that's insane. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6197	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:50:00 - [13] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Who cares? This all the way. If newbs can level up quick enough to not have to no life it so hard to even come close, then I'm all for that. More will actually stick with the game. Anyway, the fact you can Max skills means that the whole 'nigh untouchable vet' level is a figment of imagination and its never been easier to own with a starter fit. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4164	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:54:00 - [14] - Quote Meh. Beta vet doesn't care because I have sentinels more or less maxed. I think I could maybe optimize four skills and then no one could be "better" than me without being naturally hot on the battlefield. Means they are either damn good or damn lucky. Either way, not my problem. Let the newbies grind, the last two years of snail's pace progress have led too many to burn out too fast. A feeling of progress always slows burnout. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:56:00 - [15] - Quote glad to see the **** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Atiim 13259	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:56:00 - [16] - Quote So know you're complaining about the fact that other people will use your class? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 444	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:59:00 - [17] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the ** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Haha yep, we're all idiots because the mere thought of the slight possibility of a challenge in months doesn't make us ** our collective pants in fear. wow you've really got our number. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6197	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:04:00 - [18] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the **** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots So you'd rather that less people bother with the game and would prefer an unreasonable grind?. Shut the door on your way out. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4168	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:04:00 - [19] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the ** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Haha yep, we're all idiots because the mere thought of the slight possibility of a challenge in months doesn't make us ** our collective pants in fear. wow you've really got our number. Yup. I might actually bring burned out members of my corp back because of these changes. Totally unfair that CCP may have handed me a recruiting and retention windfall. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 445	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:15:00 - [20] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Totally unfair that CCP may have handed me a recruiting and retention windfall. I know right? ******* CCP Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.

Michael Arck 5929	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:21:00 - [21] - Quote Share the wealth. We got plenty more newberries than we do vets. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:46:00 - [22] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. maybe they are gonna remove pasives and make them an extra dropsuit skill.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1210	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:29:00 - [23] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory. So you're saying we'll be legion? Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2846	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:33:00 - [24] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the **** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Because the community doesn't agree with you, it makes them idiots. How very self righteously Amarr of you. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
DarthPlagueis TheWise 169	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:44:00 - [25] - Quote You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1210	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:51:00 - [26] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. No one that frequents these forums would ever consider me as a welcome member of 'the community',nor do i consider myself under such a grandiose banner. I'm just a scrub with far too much free time on my hands. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4176	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:53:00 - [27] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. That's an awfully big supposition there. In my experience most players neither know nor care that there is a forum. You and your little tryhard friend circle jerk don't qualify as anything resembling a majority. Get over yourself. Most players want more FUN, not more grindy bull shizz. You do not represent the views of anything but an indignant fraction of the player base. And quite bluntly I'd rather see a buncha crazy newbies who are enjoying shooting mans than see you and your buddies restrict everyone to the burnout grind. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 169	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:56:00 - [28] - Quote Again, twice the current cap would put the new players in a really good place SP wise. Quadruple the normal cap completely undermines the hard work ANYONE has done before 1.9 not just the vets. I want to see the NPE improve as much as anybody. However this is overkill. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6203	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:02:00 - [29] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. You keep generalising and projecting your own opinion as fact though, not looking good. We are fanboys because we want the game to be more accessible for newbs which will give the game longevity, OK then. And if we are idiots, then what does that make you for being part of the forum community?. Trust me when i say that the only person I see bring an idiot here, is you. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4178	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:02:00 - [30] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Again, twice the current cap would put the new players in a really good place SP wise. Quadruple the normal cap completely undermines the hard work ANYONE has done before 1.9 not just the vets. I want to see the NPE improve as much as anybody. However this is overkill. There is no such thing as overkill, merely assured kill. Bluntly newbies can close the SP efficiency gap fast. This is a good thing. Vets can keep ahead and retain their 30-70 million SP lead the same way. Whoop de doo. The new changes give vets a reason to do something other than say screw it, passive SP is good enough till legion. Most vets QUIT because of the grind, or only play once a month, or only play forum war 514 because actually playing the game has traditionally rewarded dedication the way a power drill through the forehead rewards a lack of common sense. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6203	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:03:00 - [31] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Again, twice the current cap would put the new players in a really good place SP wise. Quadruple the normal cap completely undermines the hard work ANYONE has done before 1.9 not just the vets. I want to see the NPE improve as much as anybody. However this is overkill. Projecting your own silly emotional trash opinion as fact again and contradicting yourself, not that you'd see it. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 169	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:12:00 - [32] - Quote I'm not the butthurt one here folks. If you weren't yourselves you wouldn't be raging so much about it. Just mourning the end of an era in this game. don't bother replying to me because i'm unsubscribing from the thread Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4180	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:14:00 - [33] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: I'm not the butthurt one here folks. Just mourning the end of an era in this game. don't bother replying to me because i'm unsubscribing from the thread Bye! Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya! EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6203	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:16:00 - [34] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: I'm not the butthurt one here folks. If you weren't yourselves you wouldn't be raging so much about it. Just mourning the end of an era in this game. don't bother replying to me because i'm unsubscribing from the thread No one is raging except you hahahaha. Goodbye. Wants the npe to get better, thinks the needed sp grind reduction will ruin our long time playing advantage. Says we are raging, then rage quits thread. Spouts own opinion and assumptions as facts, calls the forum community idiots. PRICELESS. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4180	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:18:00 - [35] - Quote Tears collected. My work here is done. I didn't even have to troll for this one. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
XSoldierSaintX Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:33:00 - [36] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. Im a closed beta player who had to make a new account. Im glad I don't have to grind all the way to 21 mil sp like before. I just wish they would let me transfer my minmatar logi bpo to this account.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7165	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:42:00 - [37] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory. Someone is really terrified about the SP gap getting smaller. Bring it on newbros. Get some SP. Get into PC. We'll be waiting. We need new blood. I'm tired of playing the same dang corps over and over again. GET ROWDY. Bullet Hell and Duct-Tape? Count me in! FA recruits get free officer BPO's. Enlist today. Must be a scrub to enter.
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 307	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:51:00 - [38] - Quote The SP accrual rate being so low was part of the problem with this game. I think the change should have been done a long time ago but I'm not so sure about the whole triple booster deal. That to me screams pay to win we could have just done with the increase in weekly SP.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4187	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:26:00 - [39] - Quote Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money. In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You ca get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope. The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Kalante Schiffer YOU GOT OWNED BY A CHRONIC FAPPER 807	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:43:00 - [40] - Quote I just hope more people play PC with the big boys now.

Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 309	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:51:00 - [41] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money. In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You ca get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope. The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. Yeah we all get that but how can you not see buying three boosters and stacking them to get ahead as not pay to win? People who do that are going to get massively ahead over non money spenders. It'll be nice for the new players but as a vet is stings a little to know I worked for so long and so hard to get where I'm at and now others will be able to reach where I'm at in a fraction of the time I invested.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6206	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:12:00 - [42] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money. In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You ca get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope. The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. Yeah we all get that but how can you not see buying three boosters and stacking them to get ahead as not pay to win? People who do that are going to get massively ahead over non money spenders. It'll be nice for the new players but as a vet is stings a little to know I worked for so long and so hard to get where I'm at and now others will be able to reach where I'm at in a fraction of the time I invested. Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4189	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:16:00 - [43] - Quote I'm a beta vet. It doesn't even faze me. I don't feel that my work grinding SP will be invalidated. Quite bluntly CCP being overly stingy with the SP rewards and cutting match rewards to 1/5th on release has been a sore point for me for a very long time. what it means to me is that I can tell new and returning players that they don't need to suck up six months of getting boned in the ass with no lube before they will start having fun or be relevant. It means I can train a crew to do damage in a matter of weeks instead of having to play shepherd for months of frustration. It means I can actually feel like I am making progress when I log in and fight rather than grinding for the most worthless payouts and player rewards. In short it feels like less bullshizz grind and more like advancement will come at a pace matching a player's comfort level instead of an eternal grind to achieve parity. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Slave of MORTE Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:37:00 - [44] - Quote It's going to kill dust faster i already have an entire race only 3 more to go and content is so limited .If they don't create content and isk sinks this is gunna shorten the time it takes to have everything drastically Beyond what you mentioned op which will happen as well ...but they still won't be vets sp doesn't make a vet skills do ..just more terrible proto users to kill n harvest Yet another slave of Mortedeamor
Juno Tristan Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:41:00 - [45] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: I got here first so I should keep my advantage If the game had just been released i would agree that 750k is too high but given most experienced players SP levels and the amount of previous bonus SP events I really don't see the issue
doc lowroar THE 300 SPARTANS 20	Posted - 2014.10.30 17:41:00 - [46] - Quote Take two identical race cars , there is usually one winner of the race. It's the driver, not the equipment. Time investment advantage is over, time for skilled competition. "Wherever you go, there you are" -BB
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game RUST415 615	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:00:00 - [47] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. Sure if you were around from day 1 you earned your place... But after that it's just a case of "all these people have been here longer, so now I have to wait several months before I can get on the level playing field." Personally when I was new I had 0 respect for people running around in proto gear and those funky LAV's that killed you if you were even near them... But at least I could forge gun the guy out of the LAV and be a complete turd as well... There is nothing to be proud of about having high sp... No one 'earned' it, it just comes with creating a character sooner... I never feel like I'm earning the next skill I feel like I'm pointlessly waiting for it, while the only advantage is over those that joined afterwards.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6855	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:20:00 - [48] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. Not sure what point you're trying to make here. For me it's not about the numbers. It's about having ALL your dropsuit upgrades maxed, so you're just that much better, faster, and stronger. It's about feeling a sense of accomplishment becoming, for example, a Gallente Logi. I was very proud of this because hardly anyone else was willing to choose that race. Not anymore. It's really not that great. You hit that point and you become jaded because you now lack a sense of progression. Like you've no where to go but sideways into a cross specialization that you're not very good at. What's worse is because there's a lack of progression in relation to the suits themselves, you can max out all your dropsuit upgrades/weapons and then you're left with just the suits... Which can't upgrade any further then just the one skill. So once you get that to level 5 you're at a brick-wall where you have to train into yet another cross specialization that you're not very good at or don't care for. People criticize the Legion way of going things (suits/weapons locked behind progression trees) but I honestly would prefer it so that I could felt like I could become more powerful... This is just... I dunno man. I feel like I've reached the end game three times already. Important Legion Transparency Post Lv5
Mike Ox Bigger Extremely Wicked 311	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:41:00 - [49] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around.
Immortal John Ripper 25396	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:51:00 - [50] - Quote I haven't read this whole thread but the op's first post imo is being overdramatic. You can see a future where everyone goes fotm... Or I can also see a future where stuff is balanced. 4 races, each with an assault, scout, heavy, logi, commando... 4x4 is 16. 16 vs 16 battles. Raising the skill cap may increase diversity on the battlefield. I remember from 1 sp to 30 mill sp I stuck to one suit, one gun, one side arm, one swarm launcher. I maxed all my passives during that time.... Now people can much more easily max their passives and skill into other roles. I think this change will do more good than bad in the long run and if this game truly does have a death sentence then why not let the players get the most out of it before it ends? Nobody really cares if you wanted to skill into something obscure to feel special. What the people want is a balanced game. What they want is to be able to play a very customizable balanced fps. This change opens more doors than it closes. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever

General John Ripper 25398	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:51:00 - [51] - Quote I haven't read this whole thread but the op's first post imo is being overdramatic. You can see a future where everyone goes fotm... Or I can also see a future where stuff is balanced. 4 races, each with an assault, scout, heavy, logi, commando... 4x4 is 16. 16 vs 16 battles. Raising the skill cap may increase diversity on the battlefield. I remember from 1 sp to 30 mill sp I stuck to one suit, one gun, one side arm, one swarm launcher. I maxed all my passives during that time.... Now people can much more easily max their passives and skill into other roles. I think this change will do more good than bad in the long run and if this game truly does have a death sentence then why not let the players get the most out of it before it ends? Nobody really cares if you wanted to skill into something obscure to feel special. What the people want is a balanced game. What they want is to be able to play a very customizable balanced fps. This change opens more doors than it closes. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6857	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:53:00 - [52] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. Oh god, can you imagine triple SP events now? New cap + stacked omega boosters x triple SP = 6,750,000 SP Important Legion Transparency Post Lv5
Immortal John Ripper 25396	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:56:00 - [53] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. I will admit that it does devalue a little bit of our grind and effort in the past but you are right in thinking more new players may stick around. I get the same feeling. If this expands the life span of the game, I am all for it. If it creates more diverse and unique battles. I am all for that too. I can see the positive effect these changes may bring. Feeling the devalue of my work and looking at what these changes could mean to the player base, I am willing to bite my ego and let it go if this ends up being good for everyone else. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
General John Ripper 25398	Posted - 2014.10.30 18:56:00 - [54] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. I will admit that it does devalue a little bit of our grind and effort in the past but you are right in thinking more new players may stick around. I get the same feeling. If this expands the life span of the game, I am all for it. If it creates more diverse and unique battles. I am all for that too. I can see the positive effect these changes may bring. Feeling the devalue of my work and looking at what these changes could mean to the player base, I am willing to bite my ego and let it go if this ends up being good for everyone else. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
Immortal John Ripper 25397	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:00:00 - [55] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. Oh god, can you imagine triple SP events now? New cap + stacked omega boosters x triple SP = 6,750,000 SP That is more money going into the game. Also at my sp level, that boost hardly matters... After a certain sp point.. You already have multiple suits, maxed passives, multiple guns, ect. All at a proto level. Anymore sp just opens up a few more options but you can only use one suit at a time..So in my eyes the value of sp starts to goes down after first 30m sp. The first 30m sp is probably the most critical. If this brings alot more noobs up to speed with vets the game will feel alot more balanced imo. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
General John Ripper 25398	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:00:00 - [56] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. Oh god, can you imagine triple SP events now? New cap + stacked omega boosters x triple SP = 6,750,000 SP That is more money going into the game. Also at my sp level, that boost hardly matters... After a certain sp point.. You already have multiple suits, maxed passives, multiple guns, ect. All at a proto level. Anymore sp just opens up a few more options but you can only use one suit at a time..So in my eyes the value of sp starts to goes down after first 30m sp. The first 30m sp is probably the most critical. If this brings alot more noobs up to speed with vets the game will feel alot more balanced imo. I have been diagnosed with "TED" - Taco Eating Disorder. I can't stop eating tacos. Best Disorder Ever
Kensai Dragon Dust University Ivy League 22	Posted - 2014.10.30 19:40:00 - [57] - Quote At first glance, I can definitely see the OP point - with the cash and time available a person could get up to 1,422,000 sp/week, over 5,688,000 sp/month. This requires, of course, that you stock up on Omega Boosters when they come out, and would average about $100/month, but could certainly be done. The point fails, though, when player skill is applied. Good will be good anyways, bad will still suck but have much less ISK, lol. I get what he's saying, though. It's kind of like when you've been working at a place for a couple of years, then they suddenly hire someone for you to train and pay him more than you make. Kind of a slap in the face. I guess we'll see just how much bonus the vets get next week.
Joel II X Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4142	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:01:00 - [58] - Quote Being a veteran doesnt mean having all trees maxed or something. It's about having played since an early stage (ie beta).
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1922	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:04:00 - [59] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. In fairness, the gap between us as new players and the new players of today is MUCH WIDER than it was. It only makes sense to help new players bridge the now-larger gap as quickly as we did. And if that makes the game more popular (and the additional AUR sales continues to fund Dust improvement and makes Legion become reality), then I'm in favor. Even if it makes our grind, in comparison, seem less valuable. Said a bit differently, I'm not scared of noobs in proto...they're still noobs...and I want more of them to play this game and grow into reak competition that makes me better. But, yeah, I do think it kind of sucks that what took me months to accomplish will be able to be completed in a few weeks....I just think the greater good is what we should focus on.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4209	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:11:00 - [60] - Quote It also makes our grind, as veterans, to our goals moch less onerous and odious. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.

TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6215	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:43:00 - [61] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. I will admit that it does devalue a little bit of our grind and effort in the past but you are right in thinking more new players may stick around. I get the same feeling. If this expands the life span of the game, I am all for it. If it creates more diverse and unique battles. I am all for that too. I can see the positive effect these changes may bring. Feeling the devalue of my work and looking at what these changes could mean to the player base, I am willing to bite my ego and let it go if this ends up being good for everyone else. Wonderfully put master, superb. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.10.30 20:54:00 - [62] - Quote Wrong OP is wrong.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1247	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:03:00 - [63] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. Yeah, and people who don't vote complain about the outcome of elections. If you don't speak up, your voice isn't heard. This is not the problem of those who do speak up. Because, that's why.
Lloyd Orfay Commando Perkone Caldari State 144	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:13:00 - [64] - Quote Nobody likes commandos snipers or scouts in the first place.You've been living under a rock, Patrick? Grinding in this game is time consuming enough. Blah blah any other repeated stuff people have been telling melodramatic people such as you on the forums blahblah People that can't achieve greatness without exploitation don't deserve to exist. Enroll in scout erradication today.
STYLIE77 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 219	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:48:00 - [65] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Bright Cloud wrote: Who cares? This all the way. If newbs can level up quick enough to not have to no life it so hard to even come close, then I'm all for that. More will actually stick with the game. Anyway, the fact you can Max skills means that the whole 'nigh untouchable vet' level is a figment of imagination and its never been easier to own with a starter fit. Agreed, the OP's love of his accomplishment is touching. I have brought many players to this game long after launch and most quit due to the grind it takes to get the first full proto fitting. Months... Cut that time down and more will stick around. Guaranteed.
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 132	Posted - 2014.10.30 21:58:00 - [66] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money. In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You ca get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope. The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. Yeah we all get that but how can you not see buying three boosters and stacking them to get ahead as not pay to win? People who do that are going to get massively ahead over non money spenders. It'll be nice for the new players but as a vet is stings a little to know I worked for so long and so hard to get where I'm at and now others will be able to reach where I'm at in a fraction of the time I invested. Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. You really think the play and tactics will change just because there are more people? All it will do is add more people to the FOTM and scrub tactics that's already heavily implemented in this game through stomps and playstyle multiplying. Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1452	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:07:00 - [67] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. That, in turn, would counteract the point of the changes being new player friendly. People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4211	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:08:00 - [68] - Quote And I will be the king of the scrubs. And I shall teach them my ways. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 153	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:09:00 - [69] - Quote Am I the only person who thinks boosted sp means new skills on the horizon? "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6217	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:11:00 - [70] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money. In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You ca get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope. The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. Yeah we all get that but how can you not see buying three boosters and stacking them to get ahead as not pay to win? People who do that are going to get massively ahead over non money spenders. It'll be nice for the new players but as a vet is stings a little to know I worked for so long and so hard to get where I'm at and now others will be able to reach where I'm at in a fraction of the time I invested. Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. You really think the play and tactics will change just because there are more people? All it will do is add more people to the FOTM and scrub tactics that's already heavily implemented in this game through stomps and playstyle multiplying. From what I'm seeing, a lot of those fotm scrubs are set to quit because their massive sp advantage and the utility it brings is now gone........ I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.

Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4212	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:17:00 - [71] - Quote ^ this EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Michael Arck 5938	Posted - 2014.10.30 22:57:00 - [72] - Quote You guys are awesome Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 248	Posted - 2014.10.31 01:52:00 - [73] - Quote No no no no no! This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im4Tb_AXQig 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7) `- Open Beta Vet - 30.5mil sp -` R.I.P. Dust 514
Reign Omega Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 969	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:01:00 - [74] - Quote Atiim wrote: So know you're complaining about the fact that other people will use your class? I'm not sure if I should tell you to STFU or HTFU. There's only 4 damn roles anyhow, everything else is a subclass or a crossover. Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13993	Posted - 2014.10.31 02:16:00 - [75] - Quote Hmmmmm I barely capped back when it was 180K...... this is now roughly 4x the amount of SP per week and 8x as much with an Omega booster....... Now I only have 29,000,000 SP....so its not like I have a lot.....but wow.... Dust 514 players.....having everything handed to them..... that's kind of weak. What it took me roughly 18 months to achieve it will now take a player 7 tops..... GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6230	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:18:00 - [76] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Wow didn't realise you could stack boosters. If the 3 mill a week stat is correct........ it would only take them 2 1/2 months to over take me...... and I spent 12 months of hard work grinding my SP out. You don't need a lecture, so I'll leave you with a phrase you know and have said many times. Welcome to new Eden (Well, kind of) htfu. I am GJR's Renfield lol 1.9 ftw!.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2703	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:25:00 - [77] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. thats just "bitter-vet" but a generalized "vet" is lets say 30m+ sp their preferred role is proto cores maxed weapon maxed and a good amount of knowledge of the game and maps (which will be shaken up in 1.9 with new maps and the tweaks to old) I have 20 mil SP. I considered myself a vet at 12. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14000	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:43:00 - [78] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: True Adamance wrote: Wow didn't realise you could stack boosters. If the 3 mill a week stat is correct........ it would only take them 2 1/2 months to over take me...... and I spent 12 months of hard work grinding my SP out. You don't need a lecture, so I'll leave you with a phrase you know and have said many times. Welcome to new Eden (Well, kind of) htfu. And you think handing people SP like candy is having then "HTFU"? It's coddling players. They're not hardening up or earning their stuff.....just having it thrown at them. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Atiim 13303	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:51:00 - [79] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: True Adamance wrote: Wow didn't realise you could stack boosters. If the 3 mill a week stat is correct........ it would only take them 2 1/2 months to over take me...... and I spent 12 months of hard work grinding my SP out. You don't need a lecture, so I'll leave you with a phrase you know and have said many times. Welcome to new Eden (Well, kind of) htfu. And you think handing people SP like candy is having then "HTFU"? It's coddling players. They're not hardening up or earning their stuff.....just having it thrown at them. That is a good point, now that I think about it. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Michael Arck 5948	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:53:00 - [80] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Tears collected. My work here is done. I didn't even have to troll for this one. Me and my imagination. Instantly I saw Sebastian bending down to his fallen enemies, collecting tears into his jar (The Evil Within reference) Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain

Michael Arck 5948	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:56:00 - [81] - Quote Lets be honest. HTFU doesn't work here on Dust anymore. It worked in the beginning but it has moved on beyond that. The landscape of Dust has changed. Just my opinion, but the true brutality of Dust would have forced many gamers from it, reason why EVE is such a niche game catering to only certain people. In the console world, letters and class action lawsuits would change HTFU into "I love you very much, with hugs". Not that is a diss or anything. It's just that I think HTFU has no place here anymore. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 14000	Posted - 2014.10.31 03:59:00 - [82] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Lets be honest. HTFU doesn't work here on Dust anymore. It worked in the beginning but it has moved on beyond that. The landscape of Dust has changed. Just my opinion, but the true brutality of Dust would have forced many gamers from it, reason why EVE is such a niche game catering to only certain people. In the console world, letters and class action lawsuits would change HTFU into "I love you very much, with hugs". Not that is a diss or anything. It's just that I think HTFU has no place here anymore. With that I can agree. GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥ GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥ Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6863	Posted - 2014.10.31 04:14:00 - [83] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Mike Ox Bigger wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. Oh god, can you imagine triple SP events now? New cap + stacked omega boosters x triple SP = 6,750,000 SP That is more money going into the game. Also at my sp level, that boost hardly matters... After a certain sp point.. You already have multiple suits, maxed passives, multiple guns, ect. All at a proto level. Anymore sp just opens up a few more options but you can only use one suit at a time..So in my eyes the value of sp starts to goes down after first 30m sp. The first 30m sp is probably the most critical. If this brings alot more noobs up to speed with vets the game will feel alot more balanced imo. Certainly have a point there. Although, 6.75m SP is still rather alarming for one week ._. Important Legion Transparency Post Lv5
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6233	Posted - 2014.10.31 04:35:00 - [84] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Lets be honest. HTFU doesn't work here on Dust anymore. It worked in the beginning but it has moved on beyond that. The landscape of Dust has changed. Just my opinion, but the true brutality of Dust would have forced many gamers from it, reason why EVE is such a niche game catering to only certain people. In the console world, letters and class action lawsuits would change HTFU into "I love you very much, with hugs". Not that is a diss or anything. It's just that I think HTFU has no place here anymore. Well clearly yeah lol. I used to think the same but after fan fest, to think dust warrants such a long grind is completely obnoxious. I am GJR's Renfield lol. 1.9 ftw!. Can't play until after Xmas though.
IMMORTAL WAR HERO NECROM0NGERS 249	Posted - 2014.10.31 05:03:00 - [85] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. lol like eve where u keep specing skill it improves its% per skill level Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
DarthPlagueis TheWise 184	Posted - 2014.10.31 05:18:00 - [86] - Quote why do i still get the red flag notifications at the top right corner of the page for this thread even though i unchecked the box in this post that says "receive notifications for this topic" Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 575	Posted - 2014.10.31 05:47:00 - [87] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory. My three alts I keep paasively gaining sp since last year beg to differ. Time, that is the only difference. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 630	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:29:00 - [88] - Quote XSoldierSaintX wrote: I just wish they would let me transfer my minmatar logi bpo to this account. Give it time. Yep
Flint Beastgood III Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 630	Posted - 2014.10.31 12:32:00 - [89] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money. In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You can get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope. The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. Precisely. I never understand when people cry "P2W!". Yep
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5369	Posted - 2014.10.31 14:21:00 - [90] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory. Uh, you realize that a 30 day SP booster - which is the most cost effective one - is $11? I'd hardly call $33 a small fee for a single month. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector



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