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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.30 20:43:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Why exactly does that sting though?.
New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play.
How is that a bad thing?.
Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. I will admit that it does devalue a little bit of our grind and effort in the past but you are right in thinking more new players may stick around. I get the same feeling. If this expands the life span of the game, I am all for it. If it creates more diverse and unique battles. I am all for that too. I can see the positive effect these changes may bring. Feeling the devalue of my work and looking at what these changes could mean to the player base, I am willing to bite my ego and let it go if this ends up being good for everyone else.
Wonderfully put master, superb.
I am GJR's Renfield lol
My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine'
Their album - 28 days till maine.
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CharacterNameWasTaken
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
177
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Posted - 2014.10.30 20:54:00 -
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Wrong OP is wrong. |
Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
1247
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:03:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people.
TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum.
Yeah, and people who don't vote complain about the outcome of elections. If you don't speak up, your voice isn't heard. This is not the problem of those who do speak up.
Because, that's why.
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Lloyd Orfay
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:13:00 -
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Nobody likes commandos snipers or scouts in the first place.You've been living under a rock, Patrick?
Grinding in this game is time consuming enough.
Blah blah any other repeated stuff people have been telling melodramatic people such as you on the forums blahblah
People that can't achieve greatness without exploitation don't deserve to exist. Enroll in scout erradication today.
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STYLIE77
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
219
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:48:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Bright Cloud wrote:Who cares? This all the way. If newbs can level up quick enough to not have to no life it so hard to even come close, then I'm all for that. More will actually stick with the game. Anyway, the fact you can Max skills means that the whole 'nigh untouchable vet' level is a figment of imagination and its never been easier to own with a starter fit.
Agreed, the OP's love of his accomplishment is touching.
I have brought many players to this game long after launch and most quit due to the grind it takes to get the first full proto fitting.
Months...
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Sclompton Face-Smasher
uptown456
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:58:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money.
In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You ca get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope.
The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. Yeah we all get that but how can you not see buying three boosters and stacking them to get ahead as not pay to win? People who do that are going to get massively ahead over non money spenders. It'll be nice for the new players but as a vet is stings a little to know I worked for so long and so hard to get where I'm at and now others will be able to reach where I'm at in a fraction of the time I invested. Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?.
You really think the play and tactics will change just because there are more people?  All it will do is add more people to the FOTM and scrub tactics that's already heavily implemented in this game through stomps and playstyle multiplying.
Playstyle: Scout~Passionate In-bred Sniper~Support~Enemy finder
Weapon: Pro SG~SR~SMG~NK~ScR
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1452
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:07:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought:
Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense.
That, in turn, would counteract the point of the changes being new player friendly.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4211
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:08:00 -
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And I will be the king of the scrubs. And I shall teach them my ways.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Devadander
Woodgrain Atari
153
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:09:00 -
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Am I the only person who thinks boosted sp means new skills on the horizon? 
"Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
6217
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:11:00 -
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Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money.
In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You ca get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope.
The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W. Yeah we all get that but how can you not see buying three boosters and stacking them to get ahead as not pay to win? People who do that are going to get massively ahead over non money spenders. It'll be nice for the new players but as a vet is stings a little to know I worked for so long and so hard to get where I'm at and now others will be able to reach where I'm at in a fraction of the time I invested. Why exactly does that sting though?. New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play. How is that a bad thing?. You really think the play and tactics will change just because there are more people? All it will do is add more people to the FOTM and scrub tactics that's already heavily implemented in this game through stomps and playstyle multiplying.
From what I'm seeing, a lot of those fotm scrubs are set to quit because their massive sp advantage and the utility it brings is now gone........
I am GJR's Renfield lol
My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine'
Their album - 28 days till maine.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
4212
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:17:00 -
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^ this
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Michael Arck
5938
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:57:00 -
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You guys are awesome
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
248
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Posted - 2014.10.31 01:52:00 -
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No no no no no! This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im4Tb_AXQig
44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7)
- Open Beta Vet - 30.5mil sp -
R.I.P. Dust 514
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Reign Omega
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
969
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Posted - 2014.10.31 02:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:So know you're complaining about the fact that other people will use your class?
I'm not sure if I should tell you to STFU or HTFU.
There's only 4 damn roles anyhow, everything else is a subclass or a crossover.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13993
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Posted - 2014.10.31 02:16:00 -
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Hmmmmm I barely capped back when it was 180K...... this is now roughly 4x the amount of SP per week and 8x as much with an Omega booster.......
Now I only have 29,000,000 SP....so its not like I have a lot.....but wow....
Dust 514 players.....having everything handed to them..... that's kind of weak. What it took me roughly 18 months to achieve it will now take a player 7 tops.....
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
- Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
6230
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Posted - 2014.10.31 03:18:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Wow didn't realise you could stack boosters. If the 3 mill a week stat is correct........ it would only take them 2 1/2 months to over take me...... and I spent 12 months of hard work grinding my SP out.
You don't need a lecture, so I'll leave you with a phrase you know and have said many times.
Welcome to new Eden (Well, kind of) htfu.
I am GJR's Renfield lol
1.9 ftw!.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2703
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Posted - 2014.10.31 03:25:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP.
Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. thats just "bitter-vet" but a generalized "vet" is lets say 30m+ sp their preferred role is proto cores maxed weapon maxed and a good amount of knowledge of the game and maps (which will be shaken up in 1.9 with new maps and the tweaks to old)
I have 20 mil SP.
I considered myself a vet at 12.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14000
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Posted - 2014.10.31 03:43:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:True Adamance wrote:Wow didn't realise you could stack boosters. If the 3 mill a week stat is correct........ it would only take them 2 1/2 months to over take me...... and I spent 12 months of hard work grinding my SP out. You don't need a lecture, so I'll leave you with a phrase you know and have said many times. Welcome to new Eden (Well, kind of) htfu.
And you think handing people SP like candy is having then "HTFU"?
It's coddling players. They're not hardening up or earning their stuff.....just having it thrown at them.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
- Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.10.31 03:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:True Adamance wrote:Wow didn't realise you could stack boosters. If the 3 mill a week stat is correct........ it would only take them 2 1/2 months to over take me...... and I spent 12 months of hard work grinding my SP out. You don't need a lecture, so I'll leave you with a phrase you know and have said many times. Welcome to new Eden (Well, kind of) htfu. And you think handing people SP like candy is having then "HTFU"? It's coddling players. They're not hardening up or earning their stuff.....just having it thrown at them.
That is a good point, now that I think about it.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Michael Arck
5948
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Posted - 2014.10.31 03:53:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Tears collected. My work here is done. I didn't even have to troll for this one. 
Me and my imagination. Instantly I saw Sebastian bending down to his fallen enemies, collecting tears into his jar (The Evil Within reference)
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.10.31 03:56:00 -
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Lets be honest. HTFU doesn't work here on Dust anymore. It worked in the beginning but it has moved on beyond that. The landscape of Dust has changed. Just my opinion, but the true brutality of Dust would have forced many gamers from it, reason why EVE is such a niche game catering to only certain people.
In the console world, letters and class action lawsuits would change HTFU into "I love you very much, with hugs".
Not that is a diss or anything. It's just that I think HTFU has no place here anymore.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
14000
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Posted - 2014.10.31 03:59:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Lets be honest. HTFU doesn't work here on Dust anymore. It worked in the beginning but it has moved on beyond that. The landscape of Dust has changed. Just my opinion, but the true brutality of Dust would have forced many gamers from it, reason why EVE is such a niche game catering to only certain people.
In the console world, letters and class action lawsuits would change HTFU into "I love you very much, with hugs".
Not that is a diss or anything. It's just that I think HTFU has no place here anymore.
With that I can agree.
GÇ£How does this all work then?GÇ¥
GÇ£Like so Choirboy.GÇ¥
- Mila to Kador, Sub Zero Club, Shoashu Sasaanko
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
6863
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Posted - 2014.10.31 04:14:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Why exactly does that sting though?.
New players will be able to get up to our level much quicker. This also means that we won't have as much of an advantage over most of the players and therefore, the quit dust rate of new players won't be so low. This also means that pubs should get better so we won't have to no life it with cheese ball tactics in PC for some decent level of play.
How is that a bad thing?.
Just the grind that I went through to get my skills. I didn't like any of the triple SP events that much either but I'm all for whatever brings new players in so don't get me wrong I like the SP changes as I hope more players stick around. Oh god, can you imagine triple SP events now? New cap + stacked omega boosters x triple SP = 6,750,000 SP That is more money going into the game. Also at my sp level, that boost hardly matters... After a certain sp point.. You already have multiple suits, maxed passives, multiple guns, ect. All at a proto level. Anymore sp just opens up a few more options but you can only use one suit at a time..So in my eyes the value of sp starts to goes down after first 30m sp. The first 30m sp is probably the most critical. If this brings alot more noobs up to speed with vets the game will feel alot more balanced imo.
Certainly have a point there. Although, 6.75m SP is still rather alarming for one week ._.
Important
Legion Transparency
Post Lv5
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TechMechMeds
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
6233
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Posted - 2014.10.31 04:35:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Lets be honest. HTFU doesn't work here on Dust anymore. It worked in the beginning but it has moved on beyond that. The landscape of Dust has changed. Just my opinion, but the true brutality of Dust would have forced many gamers from it, reason why EVE is such a niche game catering to only certain people.
In the console world, letters and class action lawsuits would change HTFU into "I love you very much, with hugs".
Not that is a diss or anything. It's just that I think HTFU has no place here anymore.
Well clearly yeah lol.
I used to think the same but after fan fest, to think dust warrants such a long grind is completely obnoxious.
I am GJR's Renfield lol.
1.9 ftw!.
Can't play until after Xmas though.
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
249
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Posted - 2014.10.31 05:03:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought:
Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense.
lol like eve where u keep specing skill it improves its% per skill level
Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
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DarthPlagueis TheWise
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Posted - 2014.10.31 05:18:00 -
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why do i still get the red flag notifications at the top right corner of the page for this thread even though i unchecked the box in this post that says "receive notifications for this topic"
Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
575
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Posted - 2014.10.31 05:47:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory.
My three alts I keep paasively gaining sp since last year beg to differ. Time, that is the only difference.
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
630
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:29:00 -
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XSoldierSaintX wrote: I just wish they would let me transfer my minmatar logi bpo to this account.
Give it time.
Yep
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Flint Beastgood III
Carbon 7
Iron Oxide.
630
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:32:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Pay to win requires an advantage that cannot be achieved without real money.
In DUST you cannot buy anything with aur that you couls not with ISK. You can get to 40 mil just like booster buyers. It only takes longer. Speed advantages are not pay to win. Technically officer weapons wouldn't be because you can get thwm via play but that is REALLY pushing the envelope.
The fact that CCP makes the best weaponry non real money purchase speaks against P2W.
Precisely. I never understand when people cry "P2W!".
Yep
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Mobius Wyvern
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
5369
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Posted - 2014.10.31 14:21:00 -
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DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote:It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory.
Uh, you realize that a 30 day SP booster - which is the most cost effective one - is $11? I'd hardly call $33 a small fee for a single month.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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