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DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:22:00 - [1] - Quote It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 848	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:25:00 - [2] - Quote I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1464	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:28:00 - [3] - Quote i disagree as most vets can easly have 30m+ sp and even after the new changes comming in 1.9 the vets will get a massive multipler to sp while newbies still need to nolife or raise their loyalty level up to get better returns at the end of a match.. all the while vets are speeding ahead getting like 5x or more the sp newbros get so vets will still be ahead.. and newbros will get some better sp per game then they currently get meaning they get basic/standard much much faster and advanced a bit faster.. proto is still a massive leap/commitment my verdict the "vet respect" is still there (if such a thing existed in the first place as vets would just roflstomp newbros who are in mlt suits anyway and cause newbros to leave dust and not play again) but this is more about helping newbros get up to speed and also rewarding vets so i see it as Win Win [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:28:00 - [4] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. Not sure what point you're trying to make here. For me it's not about the numbers. It's about having ALL your dropsuit upgrades maxed, so you're just that much better, faster, and stronger. It's about feeling a sense of accomplishment becoming, for example, a Gallente Logi. I was very proud of this because hardly anyone else was willing to choose that race. Not anymore. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 1464	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:30:00 - [5] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I'm a Closed Beta vet. I have 40mil SP. Being a veteran has nothing to do with a number. thats just "bitter-vet" but a generalized "vet" is lets say 30m+ sp their preferred role is proto cores maxed weapon maxed and a good amount of knowledge of the game and maps (which will be shaken up in 1.9 with new maps and the tweaks to old) [[LogiBro ADV/PRO]] [[Level 1 Forum Warrior]] [[Level 2 Forum Pariah]]
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:31:00 - [6] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i disagree as most vets can easly have 30m+ sp and even after the new changes comming in 1.9 the vets will get a massive multipler to sp while newbies still need to nolife or raise their loyalty level up to get better returns at the end of a match.. all the while vets are speeding ahead getting like 5x or more the sp newbros get so vets will still be ahead.. and newbros will get some better sp per game then they currently get meaning they get basic/standard much much faster and advanced a bit faster.. proto is still a massive leap/commitment my verdict the "vet respect" is still there (if such a thing existed in the first place as vets would just roflstomp newbros who are in mlt suits anyway and cause newbros to leave dust and not play again) but this is more about helping newbros get up to speed and also rewarding vets so i see it as Win Win but it devalues each role. you used to be a unique person on the battlefield if you chose something and stuck with it. all the SP boost means for vets is that the roles we haven't skilled into yet are that much less important. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 463	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:32:00 - [7] - Quote Who cares? Bright is the opposite of dark! Who would have thought of that?!
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 850	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:32:00 - [8] - Quote Point being, I'm not as effective on the field as I am because of my core skills: it's from knowing the maps intimately and knowing how to read the flow of battle - no amount of SP can give that. Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Denchlad 7 Dead Man's Game 992	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:32:00 - [9] - Quote I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. The Connoisseur of Weapons. 19/19 L5 P2. Snarcasm > Sarcasm Excessively British.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:34:00 - [10] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. Forgot about that. You may have a point there. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.

Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 441	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:34:00 - [11] - Quote Skill>quick sp good players will still be good, noobs will still be noobs, just into ill fitted proto suit quicker. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:40:00 - [12] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: Skill>quick sp good players will still be good, noobs will still be noobs, just into ill fitted proto suit quicker. but the SP is too quick. 8 times faster than before with an omega? that's insane. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6197	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:50:00 - [13] - Quote Bright Cloud wrote: Who cares? This all the way. If newbs can level up quick enough to not have to no life it so hard to even come close, then I'm all for that. More will actually stick with the game. Anyway, the fact you can Max skills means that the whole 'nigh untouchable vet' level is a figment of imagination and its never been easier to own with a starter fit. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4164	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:54:00 - [14] - Quote Meh. Beta vet doesn't care because I have sentinels more or less maxed. I think I could maybe optimize four skills and then no one could be "better" than me without being naturally hot on the battlefield. Means they are either damn good or damn lucky. Either way, not my problem. Let the newbies grind, the last two years of snail's pace progress have led too many to burn out too fast. A feeling of progress always slows burnout. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 158	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:56:00 - [15] - Quote glad to see the **** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Atiim 13259	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:56:00 - [16] - Quote So know you're complaining about the fact that other people will use your class? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 444	Posted - 2014.10.30 11:59:00 - [17] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the ** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Haha yep, we're all idiots because the mere thought of the slight possibility of a challenge in months doesn't make us ** our collective pants in fear. wow you've really got our number. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6197	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:04:00 - [18] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the **** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots So you'd rather that less people bother with the game and would prefer an unreasonable grind?. Shut the door on your way out. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4168	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:04:00 - [19] - Quote Cyzad4 wrote: DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the ** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Haha yep, we're all idiots because the mere thought of the slight possibility of a challenge in months doesn't make us ** our collective pants in fear. wow you've really got our number. Yup. I might actually bring burned out members of my corp back because of these changes. Totally unfair that CCP may have handed me a recruiting and retention windfall. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 445	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:15:00 - [20] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Totally unfair that CCP may have handed me a recruiting and retention windfall. I know right? ******* CCP Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.

Michael Arck 5929	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:21:00 - [21] - Quote Share the wealth. We got plenty more newberries than we do vets. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
CharacterNameWasTaken G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.10.30 12:46:00 - [22] - Quote Denchlad 7 wrote: I thought this too being a Vet myself but then I just thought: Rattati said there will be Post-Level 5 Content. More SP? Extra content requiring obscene amounts of SP? Makes sense. maybe they are gonna remove pasives and make them an extra dropsuit skill.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1210	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:29:00 - [23] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: It's about knowing that the feeling we used to get - and I honestly still get - when WE were new players... that vets were to be respected and that one day you could EARN that respect yourself... that feeling will no longer exist in Dust. There will be no more diversity. No more will you be in awe at a good Caldari Commando sniper, or a committed Minmatar Scout. No matter what niche you filled prior to 1.9, you will just be another one of the many. It felt good to be one of the few. To have truly earned your place through hard work and careful use of SP boosters. Not just stack 3 of them and cheese your way to upwards of 2 million SP in a week, for a very small fee. This song used to be an icon of how it felt to have achieved greatness in Dust. Now it will just be a faded memory. So you're saying we'll be legion? Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2846	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:33:00 - [24] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: glad to see the **** community doesnt care. at least that hasnt changed. idiots Because the community doesn't agree with you, it makes them idiots. How very self righteously Amarr of you. I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
DarthPlagueis TheWise 169	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:44:00 - [25] - Quote You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
Meee One Amakakeru-Ryu-no-Hirameki 1210	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:51:00 - [26] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. No one that frequents these forums would ever consider me as a welcome member of 'the community',nor do i consider myself under such a grandiose banner. I'm just a scrub with far too much free time on my hands. Official Blueberry of the Forums. Title given by my #1 fan Sgt Kirk.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4176	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:53:00 - [27] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. That's an awfully big supposition there. In my experience most players neither know nor care that there is a forum. You and your little tryhard friend circle jerk don't qualify as anything resembling a majority. Get over yourself. Most players want more FUN, not more grindy bull shizz. You do not represent the views of anything but an indignant fraction of the player base. And quite bluntly I'd rather see a buncha crazy newbies who are enjoying shooting mans than see you and your buddies restrict everyone to the burnout grind. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
DarthPlagueis TheWise 169	Posted - 2014.10.30 13:56:00 - [28] - Quote Again, twice the current cap would put the new players in a really good place SP wise. Quadruple the normal cap completely undermines the hard work ANYONE has done before 1.9 not just the vets. I want to see the NPE improve as much as anybody. However this is overkill. Dust? No, this is AUR514 now.
TechMechMeds KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6203	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:02:00 - [29] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: You're idiots because the vast majority of the people who don't come on this forum, yet have heard a lot about it, don't bother logging on because of the overwhelming amount of CCP fanboys - that's you people - and the pointless arguments that always wind up being won by said people. TL;DR you forum warriors don't have a good reputation outside of the forums. Stop calling yourselves "the community" and realize the vast majority of the actual Dust community doesn't even log onto this forum. You keep generalising and projecting your own opinion as fact though, not looking good. We are fanboys because we want the game to be more accessible for newbs which will give the game longevity, OK then. And if we are idiots, then what does that make you for being part of the forum community?. Trust me when i say that the only person I see bring an idiot here, is you. I am GJR's Renfield lol My favourite BAND '14 days till Maine' Their album - 28 days till maine.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 4178	Posted - 2014.10.30 14:02:00 - [30] - Quote DarthPlagueis TheWise wrote: Again, twice the current cap would put the new players in a really good place SP wise. Quadruple the normal cap completely undermines the hard work ANYONE has done before 1.9 not just the vets. I want to see the NPE improve as much as anybody. However this is overkill. There is no such thing as overkill, merely assured kill. Bluntly newbies can close the SP efficiency gap fast. This is a good thing. Vets can keep ahead and retain their 30-70 million SP lead the same way. Whoop de doo. The new changes give vets a reason to do something other than say screw it, passive SP is good enough till legion. Most vets QUIT because of the grind, or only play once a month, or only play forum war 514 because actually playing the game has traditionally rewarded dedication the way a power drill through the forehead rewards a lack of common sense. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.



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