Maybe if noobs stopped trying to go solo in suits that're meant to be with a group of people they wouldnt get torn to pieces by scouts, guys who are meant to flank and ambush opponents. Durr durr durr i gurantee you if a scout goes head up with a couple of your buddies and yourself they'll get owned but people are so determined to be rambo, that when they get Solid Snake'd by a scout they go all rage mode.

This just in:

R8pist enters the bar. All non-r8pists must now leave. Sorry excuse. Take away the cloak and many people would not be running a scout. Let's remember how this whole problem started.

Letting your guard down and assuming you always have a full sitrep will be your downfall, whether it comes at the knives of a scout is irrelevant.

Clipped some junk from quote but left relevant bits:



Point 1: Whether you assume the area is clear or not, at some point you need to try and hack the objective, then you die to a scout because the scout knows you are there, what direction you are facing, and that you are easy pickings.

Point 2: When you check one corner, you are not currently checking 3 other corners, or any of the entrances to the area you are in (in other words, looking in one direction guarantees a scout can exploit all the directions you arent looking).

Point 3: You cannot flank something you are entirely unaware of, you will never see the dangerous scouts until they are up your ass.

Point 4: Yes, Dust is dangerous.



Its not about letting your guard down. Scouts have a big speed advantage, can see you on tacnet, cant be seen on tacnet, and sometimes cant even be seen when they are standing right in front of you, you are going to be stuck using at best an HMG, and they have an assortment of close range weapons that can 2-3 shot anyone, or long range weapons that can pick you to death, and they can use these weapons to their best advantage because they have a huge advantage in intel. The only way to gain parity is to use a scout yourself, but even that doesnt actually COUNTER the scout, because there IS NO COUNTER.

16 vs 16 = there's no room for anything besides the slayer role.. contact between both teams happens under 1 minute. there is no need for a scout role. by the time scout relays the collected information that info is redundant. this isn't MMO it's a match shooter therefore the only respected role is slayer in whatever form.

squad: why didn't you kill those reds? im trying to score an orbital here..
scout: i was too busy collecting info on them to relay to you guys..
squad: they were already dead before you even gave us the memo...
scout: i have minimal combat capabilty, i am a real scout FFS!
squad: noob GTFO do you even dust?

Mr. Aztec,

I think your head is in the clouds. This is not an issue that has anything to do with the players or how they want to play. Fitting "this" over "that" will not sove the issue. In fact, it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at all. Also that video couldn't be anymore irrelevant to dust. That guy is speaking in context of an even playing field. Even in Destiny the difference between common and legendary gear in pvp isn't that significant. In Dust, there is so much variation and much of those elements are balanced inconsistently. The pieces just don't fit together. How long has CCP been attempting balance? This isn't the first time we've been here before. There are bigger issues here. These issues, at it's core, start with the game design and mechanic.

There are two main issues that have plagued this game ever since before the private trails. Both can be described without negative rhetoric and bias. But keep in mind that some suits can exploit and benefit from these two issues more than others. And every suit has been able to claim the FOTM achievment award throuht dust's development.

Performance issues- low framerates, inconsistant framerates, poor hit detection, random, nonsensicle terrain/pathing is equivelant to interpretive art made with glue and flypaper.

Inconsistant game design- this game feels like completely independent teams made different parts of the game without any communication whatsoever the force glued the pieces at the end. Health modules giving static bonuses is the same as giving light suits a 100-200% health mod bonuses. Where are the 100-200% ewar bonuses for mediums and heavies? Where is the continuity? How does this all fit together?

It doesn't. None of it fits. Scouts specifically get bonuses that are permenant and do not require a certain module or weapon to use. Same is also true for heavies. But for assaults, you have to use a specific weapon or else your bonus won't work. And when it works, it's nothing to celebrate over. No permenant background bonuses that give a free 2 or 3 modules worth of bonuses. Just more inconsistencies and puzzle pieces that don't fit together.

OP is an idiot and sales numbers show there is an average 40k suit sales more for scout then the next best suit (assault) THAT should tell you something about how OP scouts are and the problem is snowballing because peopel wanna be OP or want to fight fire with fire since there is NO COUNTER (except exclusively level 5 GAL logi with level 5 Focused active scanners[even tho active scanners are totally broken and useless atm])

http://dust.thang.dk/market_historycategory.php
(right hand dropdown menu -> dropsuits)

ps. the only COUNTER to scouts is MOAR SCOUTS! this being said that is why dust has become **** latly its just gank or be ganked, not gunbattles anymore unelss its scouts bullet weaving a heavy/medium suit to kill them form ANY RANGE with a RAIL RIFLE

Maybe if noobs stopped trying to go solo in suits that're meant to be with a group of people they wouldnt get torn to pieces by scouts, guys who are meant to flank and ambush opponents. Durr durr durr i gurantee you if a scout goes head up with a couple of your buddies and yourself they'll get owned but people are so determined to be rambo, that when they get Solid Snake'd by a scout they go all rage mode.

Its not about letting your guard down. Scouts have a big speed advantage, can see you on tacnet, cant be seen on tacnet, and sometimes cant even be seen when they are standing right in front of you, you are going to be stuck using at best an HMG, and they have an assortment of close range weapons that can 2-3 shot anyone, or long range weapons that can pick you to death, and they can use these weapons to their best advantage because they have a huge advantage in intel. The only way to gain parity is to use a scout yourself, but even that doesnt actually COUNTER the scout, because there IS NO COUNTER.

You may be a legit ******, people always complaining about games then when they add great diverse unique features people wanna complain play the game how its supposed to be played and you eliminate alot of the scouts abilities, you dont go off on your own thinking you're super man chances are scouts arent gonna be to much of a problem to ya.

Yeah, thats right, the cloak visual effect is inconsistent based on lighting and background and sometimes people will be invisible right in front of you. I've seen some stuff. Or rather, I haven't seen some stuff, even though I knew exactly where they were.

There have been instances where I have started firing at a visible scout and he cloaked and just straight up disappeared in front of my sights, only to appear behind me 3 seconds later.

There was an instance where I have turned around, being pretty much positive a scout that I was engaging was following my path, I turn around, and see NOTHING, I shoot in the general direction and score a couple of hits and the scout got scared and ran off, the entire time he was 100% invisible to me. The only reason I knew for sure he was there was a flash of red on my reticle while I was shooting and a couple of hit markers.

Other times the cloak effect is very obvious and easy to see.

If you havent noticed this kind of stuff then you are the one who probably needs to open his eyes.

I carry a good sidearm. But you dont understand what Im saying. If the scout knows where you are, he can adjust his position and take advantage of his weapon's advantages regardless of what weapon he is using. You dont get to determine the terms of any fights at any time. This alone is a massive advantage, but then its combined with much better speed, and much better stealth, with comparable damage from their weapon that you have. Its just not balanced.

And your last point is just some complete bs. The confidence of a person or military force is not some magical key to victory. In fact confidence is frequently the cause of military defeats, especially when the opposing force has some sort of advantage in intelligence, mobility, and stealth, which sounds alot like something I've been talked about recently... hmm what could it be.

This is your problem, you have allowed yourself to become so angered by them that you can't see balanced solutions to real problems.

You just generalize the issues that scouts sometimes exacerbate and call it a day.

Scouts have, for a very long time, supported common sense changes for tanking. This does not mean that scouts shouldn't be able to tank at all, simply that if they do so, that they should be less successful.

I tried to find the post someone made comparing their fully tanked, no EWAR scout to their Assault, and they found the scout to be a full 1m per second slower, and with an HP that their Assault could easily attain with the right mods, while being faster etc. So I would argue that this sense that scouts can out play assaults in a slayer capacity is incredibly flawed.

If you REALLY want to fix the problem, maybe get over your butt hurt, objectively assess the issues, and make some common sense solutions that bring balance to the game without negating the roles you hate just because you hate them.

So, OP.
Explain to me why I would ever want to use something other than a scout.

Your frames are probably dropping severely and is probably making it harder to fight fast moving targets. It happens to me too when I play late at night. I get paired against people in Asia and Europe so my connection is totally useless and I end up getting out strafed by heavies. If I play at other times of the day my connection is top notch.

Stealth and speed might be important factors, but weapon damage and HP are also important. There is of course good strategy and decent gun game. A suit won't give you either.

Confidence is not a synonym for being cocky. Believing you can win is different from believing you should win. You need to be able to believe in yourself to succeed. Believing you will win always will be your downfall. Not believing in your personal ability means that you have no chance of succeeding.

By the way, a high morale is important in war and history shows that those who lose morale also lose the war.

Because you can and you're smart enough to make it work.

It's like asking "why would I ever want to drink anything besides water?". Because you can. Do you need to? No? But you can to get a different experience. It's the reason we have more than one suit in this game.

But all the other choices aren't as healthy for you as the water. I've been many things; a commando, a logi, an assault. I've primarily been a sentinel untill I decided to try out scouts. I'm not exaggerating when I say I find it much easier to be a scout then a sentinel. All that HP won't help you if you can't see the attacker comming, infact the slowed speed makes you an easier target. I've tried many roles, none of which are as effective as the scout. As a scout, I've delt with scouts better than I could with my HMG heavy, and i'm not even using a shotgun.