Inb4threadlock or devs ignore.

This thread defines the term "badpost."

Your screaming provides no useful information or evidence to back your claims.

Your sense of moral outrage and accusation fail to pass muster.

Make a new thread with less accusative ranting , a constructive title and evidence and it will be taken more seriously.

As it stands this is exactly the kind of thing that gets zero results.

ok how about the fact I saw a militia tank with nothing but militia mods drive from redline to redline while getting attacked by a soloing ads and the tank got away? how about with a gunner in an ads or ds as long as you use the same turret your gunner will do the same amount of damage ? yes I tested this. here is the funny thing you get more ehp, cpu/pg, high & low slots with a normal ds vs an ads. so why would I use an ads vs ds? oh right the turret that the pilot can use. lol that is laughable. you can do a lot more damage with a normal ds with 2 gunners and a mobile cru.

BTW why do we have the skill in vehciles to use better CRUs but we only have 1 in the market?

If you're going to complain about the state of ADS, please do so in a better manner than that. Whining about the changes will change nothing. And to be honest, the only legit complaint you have is about the ROF.

1. Thats your opinion

2. I did a list

3. Complaining is classed as whining anyways it seems by everyone and anyone

4. Your right that nothing will change, never does, if its anything to do with vehicles if wont ever change for the better

5. Legit complaint, again your opinion, but i find that if you are going to change things test them out, test each of the changes on there own ie AB changes 1st, then swarms speeds next, discuss with community and dont pull numbers out of your arse the day before the hotfix also helps

1) Well, you're entitled to your opinion as well. Even if your opinion is wrong (sorry, I had to do that. Been keeping that punchline stored for a while)

2) I've done my fair share of lists too.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2377325#post2377325
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2395459#post2395459
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2350873#post2350873
And research is in there as well

3) Try putting math in your threads, usually cancels it out.

4) Maybe, maybe not.

5) I refer you to #2 (hehe number two)

1. Meh i may disagree with your opinion and that its wrong but is still your opinion and aslong as you believe in it you will consider it right

2. Did your lists ever get anything done tho?

3. You did, nothing changed, even so rattari stands by his graphs and charts instead of seeing 1st hand in the game

4. Since the dawn of the forums pilots have asked for various things which have not happened while CCP goes the other direction like 5% per level CPU/PG.ARMOR/SHIELD skill which pilots lost for no reason yet infantry keep them, if basic things cannot be undone then the big problems will never change

5. 2&3

Inb4threadlock or devs ignore.

This thread defines the term "badpost."

Your screaming provides no useful information or evidence to back your claims.

Your sense of moral outrage and accusation fail to pass muster.

Make a new thread with less accusative ranting , a constructive title and evidence and it will be taken more seriously.

As it stands this is exactly the kind of thing that gets zero results.

Apparently people write in enumerated lists now, so:

1. In your experience as an ADS pilot, what's your kill/death ratio now? Has it dropped under 6:1? Are you an under-average pilot, or do you have a K/D ratio that suggests that ADS pilots aren't underpowered?

There really isn't a third option, given that the ADS pilot stats haven't fallen to where any reasonable person would consider the ADS underpowered, in the absence of a better argument than you've presented.

2. I appreciate that you regret the loss of the days when the average ADS pilot's K/D ratio was 20:1, but can you understand why the rest of us didn't think that was particularly balanced?

3. How would you balance the ADS, without returning to those days of ADS's with 20:1 average K/D ratios? Few of us are going to support a return to clearly over-powered ADSs.

3. Complaining is classed as whining anyways it seems by everyone and anyone

1) Well, you're entitled to your opinion as well. Even if your opinion is wrong (sorry, I had to do that. Been keeping that punchline stored for a while)

2) I've done my fair share of lists too.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2377325#post2377325
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2395459#post2395459
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2350873#post2350873
And research is in there as well

3) Try putting math in your threads, usually cancels it out.

4) Maybe, maybe not.

5) I refer you to #2 (hehe number two)

Apparently people write in enumerated lists now, so:

1. In your experience as an ADS pilot, what's your kill/death ratio now? Has it dropped under 6:1? Are you an under-average pilot, or do you have a K/D ratio that suggests that ADS pilots aren't underpowered?

There really isn't a third option, given that the ADS pilot stats haven't fallen to where any reasonable person would consider the ADS underpowered, in the absence of a better argument than you've presented.

2. I appreciate that you regret the loss of the days when the average ADS pilot's K/D ratio was 20:1, but can you understand why the rest of us didn't think that was particularly balanced?

3. How would you balance the ADS, without returning to those days of ADS's with 20:1 average K/D ratios? Few of us are going to support a return to clearly over-powered ADSs.

I am an ADS pilot.

1) the only time I get above 1.0 on a game is when there is NO AV. any form of AV is now a death sentance to all dropships.

2)somewhat. then again, back in those days, a good ADS was 700k-1m/fit. and as for ISKwise effeciency, ADS was the worst way to go, even for pilots

3) well, first off Buff the ADs's tank. I think that a 20% increase in EHP is fair.
Next add a low slot to both the Python and the Incubus. It makes NO sense that the ADS has less slots than the MLT dropships.
Decrease swarm speed. increase swarm lock range. decrease sound made.
Decrease forge gun knock back.
Increase glow on PLC projectile.

see? no damage tweaks.
nobody complains of a nerf (maybe swarm launchers).

Apparently people write in enumerated lists now, so:

1. In your experience as an ADS pilot, what's your kill/death ratio now? Has it dropped under 6:1? Are you an under-average pilot, or do you have a K/D ratio that suggests that ADS pilots aren't underpowered?

There really isn't a third option, given that the ADS pilot stats haven't fallen to where any reasonable person would consider the ADS underpowered, in the absence of a better argument than you've presented.

This isn't MAG, there's no way to tell how many kills you have with a certain weapon or vehicle/turret.

2. I appreciate that you regret the loss of the days when the average ADS pilot's K/D ratio was 20:1, but can you understand why the rest of us didn't think that was particularly balanced?

If you think ADS pilots had a K/D of 20:1, then you weren't doing AV right. Plus, any slight bump against anything would cost the ship at least 1000 shield, if not more. Even landings are risky, which you wouldn't know, because you don't fly.

3. How would you balance the ADS, without returning to those days of ADS's with 20:1 average K/D ratios? Few of us are going to support a return to clearly over-powered ADSs.

Yet everybody was fine when the Cal logi and TAC ARs were OP, and screamed bloody murder when they were getting nerfed. Hell, Babar made his own thread when they were nerfing contact grenades, claiming his entire style of play was getting nerfed and that he was going to stop playing the game. Well, he didn't leave, and I had to suffer through his bad posts for longer.

I am an ADS pilot.

1) the only time I get above 1.0 on a game is when there is NO AV. any form of AV is now a death sentance to all dropships.

2)somewhat. then again, back in those days, a good ADS was 700k-1m/fit. and as for ISKwise effeciency, ADS was the worst way to go, even for pilots

3) well, first off Buff the ADs's tank. I think that a 20% increase in EHP is fair.
Next add a low slot to both the Python and the Incubus. It makes NO sense that the ADS has less slots than the MLT dropships.
Decrease swarm speed. increase swarm lock range. decrease sound made.
Decrease forge gun knock back.
Increase glow on PLC projectile.

see? no damage tweaks.
nobody complains of a nerf (maybe swarm launchers).

No, just no.

Of course not, because you have to keep your status quo.

Spkr proving again that you don't pay attention.

I did a series of threads detailing testing of the ADS and my conclusion which I have posted In multiple threads was that the ADS firepower needs to be brought back up a bit to compete against groundpounder AV.

But since you're always reactionary to anything I say I'm aware you can't be arsed to read my posts that are always intended to screw vehicle drivers.

To the rest this thread is posited in a fasion that is nothing short of accusative rant that appears to be an attempt to pick a fight in the forum.

Never said that he was wrong. I said he failed to prove his point or make a compelling argument.

Further until a tank can elevate hit main turret enough to hit you without getting lucky with terrain positioning I'll be more sympathetic about failing to farm an HAV.

And lastly this format and the way the OP has answered every dissenting (not even opposing) post tells me that he wants an echo chamber of people agreeing with him. This does not constitute a discussion because one side has set themselves into an antagonistic posture and maintained it from start to lock.

This thread adds nothing useful to the ADS discussion and debate.

1. You do not play from the pilots perspective, or rarther you will not and complain that all pilots give you is anecdotal evidence which happens to be more reliable that your graphs

2. Pull random numbers from your arse - ie ADS ROF numbers

3. Nerfing and buffing at the same time - I understood the AB nerf but yet you dont understand that its the DS only counter to swarms, so what do you do at the same time? you buff swarms so we cant outrun them

4. More nerfing - With the Railgun ROF nerf you decided in your wisdom or stupidity to add on the ADS nerf which cripples the railgun and incubus

5. You dont understand the role of vehicles - You call ASSUALT dropships TRANSPORT? ASSAULT is used for ASSAULTING positions its why it has a gun on it for the pilot to kill infantry and vehicles and it can only trasport 2ppl at a time unless you manage to gimp your fit and put on small turrets. Also at a time we had LOGISTIC dropships which were used from transport and general LOGISTIC things

Bonus - For all you idiots who actually believe in the lolcpm and judge who you voted to be your vehicle candidate and represent pilots, well he failed you and has pulled a jenza and gone awol but found time to play destiny but not to comment on all the vehicle changes including his beloved ds, so another one who does it for the free trip to china but no suprise to the 95% of ppl who really dont care and didnt vote


Anymore?

Nice list.

Even better use of misleading information to make your points. I especially liked the complaint that you can't OHK infantry.

Tell you what. You may OHK infantry when my forge gun OHKs your dropship.

Amount of shots required to shoot required infantry, I can assure you this isn't misleading:

Scouts: 1-2 Sometimes 3 if they're really plate and shield stacked
Assaults: 2-4 usually
Logis: 2-4 as well
Commandos: 2-3
Heavies: 5-8 depending on what type of fatty. (8ish for a proper cal fatty)

Keep in mind I'm using splash damage.

Edit: And no, I don't think this needs to be looked at.

Nice list.

Even better use of misleading information to make your points. I especially liked the complaint that you can't OHK infantry.

Tell you what. You may OHK infantry when my forge gun OHKs your dropship.

It fits my findings with the understanding that those shots all hit.

And the calsent takes six. Three extenders, energizer and rep is six shot with proto missiles.