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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.17 12:47:00 -
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If you're going to complain about the state of ADS, please do so in a better manner than that. Whining about the changes will change nothing. And to be honest, the only legit complaint you have is about the ROF.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.17 13:14:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:If you're going to complain about the state of ADS, please do so in a better manner than that. Whining about the changes will change nothing. And to be honest, the only legit complaint you have is about the ROF.
1. Thats your opinion 2. I did a list 3. Complaining is classed as whining anyways it seems by everyone and anyone 4. Your right that nothing will change, never does, if its anything to do with vehicles if wont ever change for the better 5. Legit complaint, again your opinion, but i find that if you are going to change things test them out, test each of the changes on there own ie AB changes 1st, then swarms speeds next, discuss with community and dont pull numbers out of your arse the day before the hotfix also helps
1) Well, you're entitled to your opinion as well. Even if your opinion is wrong  (sorry, I had to do that. Been keeping that punchline stored for a while)
2) I've done my fair share of lists too.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2377325#post2377325
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2395459#post2395459
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2350873#post2350873
And research is in there as well
3) Try putting math in your threads, usually cancels it out.
4) Maybe, maybe not.
5) I refer you to #2 (hehe number two)
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.17 13:33:00 -
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Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:Lazer Fo Cused wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:If you're going to complain about the state of ADS, please do so in a better manner than that. Whining about the changes will change nothing. And to be honest, the only legit complaint you have is about the ROF.
1. Thats your opinion 2. I did a list 3. Complaining is classed as whining anyways it seems by everyone and anyone 4. Your right that nothing will change, never does, if its anything to do with vehicles if wont ever change for the better 5. Legit complaint, again your opinion, but i find that if you are going to change things test them out, test each of the changes on there own ie AB changes 1st, then swarms speeds next, discuss with community and dont pull numbers out of your arse the day before the hotfix also helps 1) Well, you're entitled to your opinion as well. Even if your opinion is wrong (sorry, I had to do that. Been keeping that punchline stored for a while) 2) I've done my fair share of lists too. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2377325#post2377325https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2395459#post2395459https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2350873#post2350873And research is in there as well 3) Try putting math in your threads, usually cancels it out. 4) Maybe, maybe not. 5) I refer you to #2 (hehe number two) 1. Meh i may disagree with your opinion and that its wrong but is still your opinion and aslong as you believe in it you will consider it right 2. Did your lists ever get anything done tho? 3. You did, nothing changed, even so rattari stands by his graphs and charts instead of seeing 1st hand in the game 4. Since the dawn of the forums pilots have asked for various things which have not happened while CCP goes the other direction like 5% per level CPU/PG.ARMOR/SHIELD skill which pilots lost for no reason yet infantry keep them, if basic things cannot be undone then the big problems will never change 5. 2&3
1) Going to drop this one, it seems we'll be going in circles.
2) I'll give you that, no it didn't.
3) Again, have to give you that one. I'd show him all that crap, but RL is keeping me too busy, and I doubt he'd try it out anyway.
And I'll still stand by recommending you put numbers and math there. Seems to be the nerd language here.
4) ADS is already an SP intensive role. I don't feel giving us more to skill into is a good idea.
5) Another one of those circle things.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.17 13:49:00 -
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emm kay wrote:Gyn Wallace wrote:Apparently people write in enumerated lists now, so:
1. In your experience as an ADS pilot, what's your kill/death ratio now? Has it dropped under 6:1? Are you an under-average pilot, or do you have a K/D ratio that suggests that ADS pilots aren't underpowered?
There really isn't a third option, given that the ADS pilot stats haven't fallen to where any reasonable person would consider the ADS underpowered, in the absence of a better argument than you've presented.
2. I appreciate that you regret the loss of the days when the average ADS pilot's K/D ratio was 20:1, but can you understand why the rest of us didn't think that was particularly balanced?
3. How would you balance the ADS, without returning to those days of ADS's with 20:1 average K/D ratios? Few of us are going to support a return to clearly over-powered ADSs. I am an ADS pilot. 1) the only time I get above 1.0 on a game is when there is NO AV. any form of AV is now a death sentance to all dropships. 2)somewhat. then again, back in those days, a good ADS was 700k-1m/fit. and as for ISKwise effeciency, ADS was the worst way to go, even for pilots 3) well, first off Buff the ADs's tank. I think that a 20% increase in EHP is fair. Next add a low slot to both the Python and the Incubus. It makes NO sense that the ADS has less slots than the MLT dropships. Decrease swarm speed. increase swarm lock range. decrease sound made. Decrease forge gun knock back. Increase glow on PLC projectile. see? no damage tweaks. nobody complains of a nerf (maybe swarm launchers).
No, just no.
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.17 13:58:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Derrith Erador wrote:emm kay wrote:Gyn Wallace wrote:Apparently people write in enumerated lists now, so:
1. In your experience as an ADS pilot, what's your kill/death ratio now? Has it dropped under 6:1? Are you an under-average pilot, or do you have a K/D ratio that suggests that ADS pilots aren't underpowered?
There really isn't a third option, given that the ADS pilot stats haven't fallen to where any reasonable person would consider the ADS underpowered, in the absence of a better argument than you've presented.
2. I appreciate that you regret the loss of the days when the average ADS pilot's K/D ratio was 20:1, but can you understand why the rest of us didn't think that was particularly balanced?
3. How would you balance the ADS, without returning to those days of ADS's with 20:1 average K/D ratios? Few of us are going to support a return to clearly over-powered ADSs. I am an ADS pilot. 1) the only time I get above 1.0 on a game is when there is NO AV. any form of AV is now a death sentance to all dropships. 2)somewhat. then again, back in those days, a good ADS was 700k-1m/fit. and as for ISKwise effeciency, ADS was the worst way to go, even for pilots 3) well, first off Buff the ADs's tank. I think that a 20% increase in EHP is fair. Next add a low slot to both the Python and the Incubus. It makes NO sense that the ADS has less slots than the MLT dropships. Decrease swarm speed. increase swarm lock range. decrease sound made. Decrease forge gun knock back. Increase glow on PLC projectile. see? no damage tweaks. nobody complains of a nerf (maybe swarm launchers). No, just no. Of course not, because you have to keep your status quo.
Explain what you mean?
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:46:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Nice list.
Even better use of misleading information to make your points. I especially liked the complaint that you can't OHK infantry.
Tell you what. You may OHK infantry when my forge gun OHKs your dropship.
Amount of shots required to shoot required infantry, I can assure you this isn't misleading:
Scouts: 1-2 Sometimes 3 if they're really plate and shield stacked
Assaults: 2-4 usually
Logis: 2-4 as well
Commandos: 2-3
Heavies: 5-8 depending on what type of fatty. (8ish for a proper cal fatty)
Keep in mind I'm using splash damage.
Edit: And no, I don't think this needs to be looked at.
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