Inb4threadlock or devs ignore.

This thread defines the term "badpost."

Your screaming provides no useful information or evidence to back your claims.

Your sense of moral outrage and accusation fail to pass muster.

Make a new thread with less accusative ranting , a constructive title and evidence and it will be taken more seriously.

As it stands this is exactly the kind of thing that gets zero results.

ok how about the fact I saw a militia tank with nothing but militia mods drive from redline to redline while getting attacked by a soloing ads and the tank got away? how about with a gunner in an ads or ds as long as you use the same turret your gunner will do the same amount of damage ? yes I tested this. here is the funny thing you get more ehp, cpu/pg, high & low slots with a normal ds vs an ads. so why would I use an ads vs ds? oh right the turret that the pilot can use. lol that is laughable. you can do a lot more damage with a normal ds with 2 gunners and a mobile cru.

BTW why do we have the skill in vehciles to use better CRUs but we only have 1 in the market?

If you're going to complain about the state of ADS, please do so in a better manner than that. Whining about the changes will change nothing. And to be honest, the only legit complaint you have is about the ROF.

1) Well, you're entitled to your opinion as well. Even if your opinion is wrong (sorry, I had to do that. Been keeping that punchline stored for a while)

2) I've done my fair share of lists too.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2377325#post2377325
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2395459#post2395459
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2350873#post2350873
And research is in there as well

3) Try putting math in your threads, usually cancels it out.

4) Maybe, maybe not.

5) I refer you to #2 (hehe number two)

Apparently people write in enumerated lists now, so:

1. In your experience as an ADS pilot, what's your kill/death ratio now? Has it dropped under 6:1? Are you an under-average pilot, or do you have a K/D ratio that suggests that ADS pilots aren't underpowered?

There really isn't a third option, given that the ADS pilot stats haven't fallen to where any reasonable person would consider the ADS underpowered, in the absence of a better argument than you've presented.

2. I appreciate that you regret the loss of the days when the average ADS pilot's K/D ratio was 20:1, but can you understand why the rest of us didn't think that was particularly balanced?

3. How would you balance the ADS, without returning to those days of ADS's with 20:1 average K/D ratios? Few of us are going to support a return to clearly over-powered ADSs.

Spkr proving again that you don't pay attention.

I did a series of threads detailing testing of the ADS and my conclusion which I have posted In multiple threads was that the ADS firepower needs to be brought back up a bit to compete against groundpounder AV.

But since you're always reactionary to anything I say I'm aware you can't be arsed to read my posts that are always intended to screw vehicle drivers.

To the rest this thread is posited in a fasion that is nothing short of accusative rant that appears to be an attempt to pick a fight in the forum.

Never said that he was wrong. I said he failed to prove his point or make a compelling argument.

Further until a tank can elevate hit main turret enough to hit you without getting lucky with terrain positioning I'll be more sympathetic about failing to farm an HAV.

And lastly this format and the way the OP has answered every dissenting (not even opposing) post tells me that he wants an echo chamber of people agreeing with him. This does not constitute a discussion because one side has set themselves into an antagonistic posture and maintained it from start to lock.

This thread adds nothing useful to the ADS discussion and debate.

Nice list.

Even better use of misleading information to make your points. I especially liked the complaint that you can't OHK infantry.

Tell you what. You may OHK infantry when my forge gun OHKs your dropship.

And it never will

You never answered this question. Or did I miss your answer? Perhaps the single most important piece of information you can possibly tell us about your experience as an ADS pilot. You wrote a long response as though the difference between PC and pubs was important, but you never gave up a number. I don't care if you give me two numbers, once for PC and one for pubs. I don't care if you're imprecise, giving me a rough approximation, but I would like to know what your K/D ratio is as an ADS pilot.

Leaving that number out of your first post is a large part of why most people will read your first post as a whine rather than a constructive complaint.

That's nice that you think so. I disagree. I suspect that several developers at CCP disagree. I suspect the people on the other side of that average ~15:1 K/D for ADS pilots disagree.

That was a very long post that avoided answering the question, again. Why is it about your K/D ratioas an ADS pilot that keeps you from revealing it? Is it so high that it completely undermines your position that ADS are underpowered? Is it so far below average for ADS pilots that that it indicates that you are underpowered, rather than the ADS?

I don't mind answering your questions, but first I'd like a straight answer to the very first question I asked you. If you think ADS are underpowered, why are you avoiding an honest answer to a simple question about your K/D ratio as an ADS pilot?

You think 15:1 is too high, well what do you think yours is? 10:1? 5:1?

Ok, so as far as we know, that ~15:1 KDR figure is accurate. You dont have enough recent experience as an ADS pilot to let you say, "Oh no in my experience the ADS pilots KDR has dropped to ____."

I guess neither of us is in a position to tell CCP that they've nerfed the ADS too much. I can say as a user of proto-swarms, the balance feels pretty good right now. Proto-swarms don't feel even a little OP. I think I'm catching poor pilots, but more often than not, ADS pilots kill me or get away. That's fine. Even when I coordinate with other AV, smart pilots are still getting away, repping, and coming back.

When I coordinate with two or three other AV, we're much more likely to kill the ADS, but not always. Sometimes good pilots drive more of us in to AV suits, then hang back out of lock range, but still present on the field, until their allies on the ground roll through us. Even without getting a single kill, an ADS pilot can have a disproportionate influence on winning the match for his team. That's not underpowered.