BTW you can read the spreed sheets all you want for the numbers but nothing beats a good field testing of the changes that CCP makes to the game.

I agree. Hope you find a solution for your ailing PS3 soon!

This thread is amusing me.

Full of CPM and candidates.

Specifically, the amusing part is that I voted for all of you on my main.

lel.

Also, I agree wth Aeon insofar as I think a strategic variant (as opposed to tactical) would be nice, for battlefield control purposes.

As you mention in a later post, it was intentional and by design. Back in beta we had infinite draw distances that outlined players in blocky black non-sense that could be seen through the 'dust in the wind' sort of visual effects (SSAO was also visible). It's literally no different then the crippling issue of not being able to hear **** behind you because of an 'animation optimization' that was slated to be fixed but never was (dev's words, not mine).

So, tie it all into account and there is literally nothing here that is the fault of the sniper rifle. Redline is simple game mechanics, sniping perches are map design, and render distance is optimization. All of which paint a nice little picture for the up-and-close rough-and-tussle but we've been steadily draining options out of the game to accomodate for that for as long as anyone can remember.

IMO, kill the SSAO and bring back the draw distance. See what the performance looks like after that.

Mmmmm... that old rendering distance was attached to a different rendering engine altogether. That engine was discarded when they found it was causing the older PS3 models to burn out.

I find it much harder. I had just started getting used to the old recticle, so I could quickly counter-snipe someone, but now it takes me a long time to line the shot up. It's mostly guess work and relying on the numbers, as I can't see the lines or dot go red if I'm on target.

And snipers on rooftops can't always be counter sniped now due to the range nerf. Delta stole all my easy kills from me!

This thread is amusing me.

Full of CPM and candidates.

Specifically, the amusing part is that I voted for all of you on my main.

lel.

Also, I agree wth Aeon insofar as I think a strategic variant (as opposed to tactical) would be nice, for battlefield control purposes.

I'd have stuck with the old stats. More worthwhile to have longer range and the ability to suppress units on the rooftops/kill their equipment then to outright kill them and not be able to actively get them off the roof.

Gotta be honest man. Seems like you prefer long range low risk lower skilled sniping as opposed to high risk high skill high reward sniping from that statement....

TO be fair -- a super long range sniper is reasonable for me. And I understand your point about the map design and progression being a HUGE factor in redline sniping.

However -- if we are all 100% honest with outselves -- snipers sit way in the back where they don't even render on other player's screens and can't be attacked by anything except another sniper. That's absolutely silly.

The recent change put's sniper in much more peril -- especially given the aim steady mechanic in this game (i'd consider revising that...) but with the significant headshot damage increase it really makes sniping feel more like SNIPING.

All of THAT being said -- im not sure the recent range nerf was right. I sometimes feel like snipers can't cover areas they should be able to cover EVEN when in the battlefield proper.

So you want sniper rifles that cannot kill a heavy with two+ magazines?

People forget that they changed the draw distance to correlate with the weapon you're using, so looking around for a sniper whilst holding a shotgun - technically speaking - is foolhardy because you're not expected to be able to engage that target anyway. I don't assume to use that as evidence as to why the sniper rifle's range should be reduced or why we should -not- have an ultra-long range rifle variant available.

An M16 has a longer effective range than every weapon in Dust 514 (and many many many other games)

Your point?

Also Fiction vs Science Fiction vs Non-fiction.

This is something I, at least, take into account. But when you get shot at with an AR or rail rifle or something, it's reasonable to expect you can look and see where the shot came from and try to go counter it. Or that at least somebody in your party might have a weapon that can locate that individual.

Lol @ leanna, you think IWS is trolling.
He's not trolling, he's just some socially ******** kid with problems falling in the autism spectum.

He legitimately thinks those terrible ideas are good ones.

The sniper rifle is the finest example of balancing a weapon for pub matches when everything else is balanced for PC.

Okay, so back from my little hiatus (I dunno why, maybe because I have a new job and can actually afford my masochistic tendencies).

Why was the sniper rifle range changed, exactly..? Game already has a favor toward high ground mechanics; whereas other games give you options (Planetside 2 has jetpacks, Destiny has levitation abilities, Battlefield 2: Special Forces has grappling hooks) Dust 514 you're left with... Well. Dropships, Orbital Strikes, and Sniper Rifles.

So, imagine my surprise when I try to counter rampant rooftop gameplay in a domination map with a sniper rifle only to discover that it's got a max range of 350m. Which is literally saying that legitimate sniper play like Grid H-9 to the Outpost is now invalidated.

Considering that I was gone and didn't read any of the discussions, I can only imagine it went something like this:

CCP: "How about we increase the damage to compensate for the increased TTK that's been going on since 1.8?"
Player A: "Waaah, redline snipers."
CCP: "How about reduced range?"
Player A: "Ship it. **** the consequences."
SymbioticFork and other legitimate snipers: "This is the dumbest decision that I could have ever witnessed."

I said it at least a dozen times before I left in just about every complaint thread imaginable: Redline sniping is an issue with map design and gamemode progression, it's not the fault of the sniper rifle itself. Sniper Rifles were never a problem during Closed Beta///Crater Lake because there was forward momentum in the game-mode and while I realize that that will never happen because development for Dust 514 is now against our religion, I still think it was a dumb idea to reduce the anti-rooftop counters to Orbital Strikes (now harder due to WP increase) and Dropships without providing something else in return.

Welcome back dude.

On CCP's defense...
Rattati and them didn't do so bad with this one.

At least the Sniper Rifles put down a good bit easier.
The Tactical is a nice little 6-shot demon, with better stability.
The sights are mostly improved.

Nice changes.
I'm still not sniping anymore, though.

Redline sniping is MOSTLY fixed with this little change. Players deep in the redline are hardly going to hit anything beyond their homepoint (depending on the map of course). But you still have them in the redline anyway.

It was nice to see sniper rifles get their absolute first rebalance, EVER.
They are more dangerous, and I still see them function decently in competent hands.

It's sad that proper long range sniping is dead in this game, but at least if you do pick up a sniper rifle to take someone out, it will NOT let you down. The Charge sniper rifle got a massive base damage buff, and a crazy headshot bonus, so pesky Sentinel snipers can be killed. Calmando snipers hit very hard, naturally. All damage bonuses considered.

The sniper rebalance is bittersweet.

EDIT: Yes, the range was cut to curb redline sniping. Let no one convince you otherwise. Rendering wasn't a problem after you gave the game a few moments to load sprites and models at range.

just imagine the Caldari sniper rifle in Arma 3 with the efficient range off 12000 m

So far the feedback on the new rifles said we hit the nail on the end with the damage.

New Tactical Magazine Size is beloved.

Winged dots have mixed reactions

Circle dots on Tactical are not that well loved.

Rifle Ammo skill useless.

Charge Rifle ammo lamented at bit; players have adapted and learned to not burn thier shots all up.

Counter sniper behaviors are evolving

Newer long range sniper behaviors are also evolving.

Field sniping population is up and behaviors and new sniping spots in field are also constantly evolving and has not yet full settled down.

Fitting meta is also changing a bit too.

Range Subject has been a hot iron.

Dust 514 is supposed to be team based gameplay, with communication.

This is the cry of a solo player

Can we just have all races sniper rifles please?

Various things

Bluntly if we had better maps (and more players per match) I'd be howling to have all of the weapon ranges multiplied somewhere between x5 and x10.

all of them.

Also BULLET TRAILS for sniper rifles?

Dust 514 is supposed to be team based gameplay, with communication.

Adding trails to sniper rifle rounds? After a handful of kills it should be rather obvious where someone is sniping from.

The complaint of not having enough good sniping locations wouldn't exist if this were not true.

This is the cry of a solo player seeking a revenge kill and in my opinion is garbage.

Wouldn't that put the shotgun somewhere between 30m and 60m...? Plz no.

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Okay, so I have to be in a squad and communicate, but you don't. Okay.

Caldari - sniper rifle
Amarr - laser rifle (?)
Minmatar - precision rifle (unreleased)
Gallente - ...

What were the Gallente going to get? I don't think I have ever heard of such a thing.