Snipers should be stealthy, this has in part already been accomplished by not having stupid obvious bullet trails, if the sniper poses an issue, there are hard counters and ways to find/kill them already existing within the game.

Also if it hasn't been done yet, remove the MLT fit sniper fitting. (please)

You know you want to.

Ok so basically, you can f**k off. That's the new stance on snipers. You're K/D is too high, so we're removing the range from your ranged weapon. Go cry in a.. oh you're playing something else already.

We all know the sniper rifle can only be used from distances which in real life would be considered extreme: The sort of range you see in films like Shooter, Enemy at the Gates, but NOT the likely range used by snipers covering friendlies in the field, who tend to be a lot closer (as far as my armchair expertise goes).

I want real sniper rifles. The new range is fine for me, but can I get something that I can aim at a target, say 250m away but also kill someone 30m away; something I can use quickly and then move, not sit on a hive in the hills all day relentlessly executing the same clueless, respawning noob and the occasional scout.

I don't snipe. The action in this game is too intense and I like to be involved directly, not watching from the red zone. But the real reason is. The rifle is ****. I know it is for balance, but why would anyone ever make a mag-fed rifle with only 3 Fuggin bullets per CliP!! It is boring. And I don't always have a mouse handy.

I only counter-snipe. Something I will do begrudgingly if I die three times to the same sniper. And then I always win. Always, love sniping! Love it. I think people who do it all day are twats.

Yup, that's you.

I don't care anymore, sorry.

Can we STOP rebalancing this game now please!

"What good would it do to stop balancing the game?

That would be really stupid."

Ok so basically, you can f**k off. That's the new stance on snipers. You're K/D is too high, so we're removing the range from your ranged weapon. Go cry in a.. oh you're playing something else already.

We all know the sniper rifle can only be used from distances which in real life would be considered extreme: The sort of range you see in films like Shooter, Enemy at the Gates, but NOT the likely range used by snipers covering friendlies in the field, who tend to be a lot closer (as far as my armchair expertise goes).

I want real sniper rifles. The new range is fine for me, but can I get something that I can aim at a target, say 250m away but also kill someone 30m away; something I can use quickly and then move, not sit on a hive in the hills all day relentlessly executing the same clueless, respawning noob and the occasional scout.

I don't snipe. The action in this game is too intense and I like to be involved directly, not watching from the red zone. But the real reason is. The rifle is ****. I know it is for balance, but why would anyone ever make a mag-fed rifle with only 3 Fuggin bullets per CliP!! It is boring. And I don't always have a mouse handy.

I only counter-snipe. Something I will do begrudgingly if I die three times to the same sniper. And then I always win. Always, love sniping! Love it. I think people who do it all day are twats.

Yup, that's you.

I don't care anymore, sorry.

Can we STOP rebalancing this game now please!

Binoculars and Tagging

Binoculars, telescopes, things wot allow you to see far without using a rifle scope. Soldiers have 'em now, why not in the future?

I am a scout and I play like a scout. I actually 'scout' I don't engage unless I have advantage, I don't shotgun cloak 'n runoft, I don't use knifes. I keep at range, hack in silence and keep good comms with my teammates. Great aren't I?

I just want some binoculars, so I can spot for snipers and tanks and everyone else. I also need to be able to TAG targets: The technology is already there within the game and it is broken: A squad leader can call out a target, such as an HAV and it'll stay highlighted for all to see forever. That doesn't make sense - how can the scanner keep track of something it cannot detect?

But what I suggest is better and fair. If you have a foe in sight with a red triangle overhead you should be able to 'tag' him - highlight him so he appears as a priority target on your allies' radars. It makes tactical sense, it is fair, it is a communication and warning device: It is cool. Once he is without range of all scanners he appears normal again.

But tanks are way too sneaky: They are big, loud, noisy but if one ducks in cover for a second it disappears from your radar: this is silly. It should be tracked and obvious - once you've seen it and as long as it is in range it MUST be visible; how can it not be? Also it should take at least 3 seconds to fade away - even with headphones I cannot tell the direct a tank is in - that is due to lack of comms between your in game character to you the user not in game perception and must be rectified.

this is not a balance - it is a mechanic fault fix

We are never going to call of duty style based snipers; sorry. Tactical is the closest you're getting.

Would love binoculars as equipment, maybe a modified scanner with zoom function and a tagging system.

As for why make a weapon with 3 round magazine fed "clip" is nearly the same reason why there are one round weapon clips as well. Size of the bullet or charge can be freakishly enormous. its bad enough our current sniper rounds are almost as large as our heads with the energy packs.

Had a terrible scenario earlier today while playing Dust 514.

I went to the 2nd ring on the orbital bombardment, in the city on bridge map.

@ 375m away was the enemy supply depot..

meaning the rooftop there is 400m

meaning I can't cover the back area near the objective

meaning I can't cover their sniper covered hilltop next to their home point / red line


This was my first experience being choked by the new range nerf. I was very unhappy.

Oh charge rifles are not meant for overwatch; they're designed to terminate known and located targets.

Go with the ishukone (or thales) 450 meters higher ammo endurance comparatively nearly as lethal to most suits and much easier to place a round in one right after the other just don't trigger too early.

Oh charge rifles are not meant for overwatch; they're designed to terminate known and located targets.

Go with the ishukone (or thales) 450 meters higher ammo endurance comparatively nearly as lethal to most suits and much easier to place a round in one right after the other just don't trigger too early.

Can I request a tiny change for 1.9?
In the weapon information, could the range be added under the 'Attributes' section?
People who don't read the forums won't know the differences in ranges when they buy them for the first time.

Yes this is true... it should be implemented... and again thx for delta, still and again, i think that kalakyota should be "reinvented (?)"...

Should be, but likely won't, because it'd likely require a client update. Even though it's something we should have had in the 'Show Info' since day one and many (MANY) players complained about it.

Can't they do it in 1.9?

"Oh charge rifles are not meant for overwatch"

The first thing you say is they're 50m too short of being meant for overwatch.

Do you know what 50m is? And how ridiculous that sounds?

50m is 1/12th of the original 600m sniper range (effectively nothing)



If you told a sniper that their 600m sniper rifle wasn't "meant for overwatch" because let's say a 650m sniper rifle existed.

How do you think anyone listening would react?

The difference between 400-450m is of random to little benefit to the sniper. Not having the full 600m is enough to make the current 400m feel awful. Again you've taken 1/12th of the original sniping distance, and ascribing it to have enough value to determine overwatch. Although it looks good on paper to have a wide variety of ranges for these guns, they're all too short, and the ranges too insignificant. Practical application sucks, find another answer to your red line problems and stop taking it out on snipers.

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