No one fears them. That is a problem for sure. But we can't kill them either. Also a problem.

The real issue here is that most snipers choose to snipe from the redline, where they are extremely challenging (and sometimes impossible) to kill. Their range needs to drop, to get them out of the redline and they need to be able to kill (the current stats for damage are actually quite nice as far as that is concerned). Drop the range down to the point where they can't cover a letter from the redline and then balance damage from there.

As far the sniper rifles in this game having any resemblance to real sniper rifles I think you need to just throw that idea out the window for the following reasons:

1) The maps are not large enough to accommodate for realistic sniper weapons.

2) The way the physics engine handles sniper rilfes does not allow for travel time, bullet drop, or windage removing any challenge from sniping.

3) Having a redline and realistic sniper rifles would make the weapon have zero risk (which should never even be an option) and removing the redline would just lead to dominant teams camping enemy MCC and ground spawns (which used to happen all the time).

4) Games are supposed to be fun for everyone and, lets face it, real weapons including sniper rilfes, are not created around the idea of an enemy having an enjoyable, fun, and fair combat experience. Multiplayer games on the other hand, need to include all these elements to make people want to play them.

the idea that games must always be fun isnt true. Eve Online is not a fun game. its a game where people have found fun causing misery to others.

the redline needs to go. give sky spawns from anywhere we want within the current redline zones to combat camping. problem solved.

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if the bolt pistol get its ROF nerfed, then will the bolt pistol get another increase in damage to keep its overall dps?

Eve online is fun in many different respects, causing misery is merely one of them. If it wasn't fun to do other things you'd only see trolls in game which would make it not fun, even for trolls. Plus there are other aspects of the Eve which are fun and don't involve hurting others.

Getting rid of the redline really isn't going to happen any time soon. I'm pretty sure it would require a client side update, which aren't happening right now, and sky spawning would just turn tactical ground movement into suicide to flank tactics. Big enemy group approaching? No problem. Simply have your squad suicide, then sky spawn behind the enemy and a pack.

I agree that getting rid of the redline would solve the issue but it would also start a whole bunch of other issues.

As to the BP RoF reduction Ratatti never said a %, so I hope he is aiming at a lower number to start so he can make lost of small incremental changes to get things perfectly tuned. Also I'm guessing the RoF reduction is intended to cause a DPS reduction, so boosing damage would be counter productive. I could be wrong about his intentions though.

Reducing ROF a little is the option we prefer - it is overperforming, the data is clear

the BP ROF nerf i would expect to nerf the BP overall handling and make it harder to apply its dps. i think its over performing because unlike the other pistols it has a scope and good range. but unlike a sniper rifle, it doesnt have sway or crazy kick to compensate for. they can increase damage again and nerf ROF and we will still keep our dps but now you must make each shot count even more.

Lol the damn aim assist is the problem.
You're fooling yourselves if you think the Bolt Pistol takes skill. Knock off it's aim assist, and then itll be a master weapon worth it's stats.

Again you don't need to nerf damage, rof, or anything. Just kill its aim assist and you'll have a fine skill weapon.

Bolt Pistol Fire Interval to 0.5 from 0.44444

It still has lower dps and hard to apply damage due to charge up, plus very small clip.

We are keeping tabs on it for a tweak though.

My data should show that I have been using bolt since it dropped with reasonable success. I must admit.. I like the instagib on the unready scout
But now it has way too much dakka


Meet me in the middle, 5 shots 180-ish dmg.

/extends hand

Rate of fire nerf planned wont make a differance please just make its recoil make people do backflips and a decent accuracy nerf while moving and while hipfiring make a huge accuracy nerf and the aim down sights time like x2. Then it can be classed as a so called 'skill weapon'

I'm using it since it came out and i'm talking against my own interests, but you should tone down damage a bit.

Thank you for saying you are doing so. I am, of course, aware that its DPS is lower but I really feel like you guys are undervaluing range when making range vs damage comparisons. At any rate, I have great faith in your ability to analyze the data we provide you through playing and will gladly step back from this for a while to see how everything pans out.

Once again thank you Rattati and all the other Devs who's tags we will never see on the forums.

The fact I can get 20+ kills with Dual-Proto Bolt Pistols is mad. On Assault, no less.

Yeah, but you died 30 times.. Admit it...

do you think sniper rifles have too much range and too much alpha?

honestly, the only comment i have about it is that it makes a better sniper rifle. same damage per shot, but way better handling and no sway lets you use it at closer ranges alot better.

i use the bolt pistol as an opener. get the first shot to equalize the enemy HP with mine and usually drop most of their shield hp. if they dont respond to the first shot then ill fire another and then finish then with my rail rifle.


my issue with it is that its become my main weapon and my rail rifle has become my sidearm/finisher. anything outside bolt pistol range gets the RR treatment.

i dont want to see the bolt pistol nerfed because its become a fantastic counter to scouts. theres finally a weapon that can stop them before they get into shotgun range. ive been wasting scouts all day that think they can just run up to me like before. assault scouts are officially dead with me. they simply pose no threat and they honestly can go back to their niche role again of stealth.