ADS is really OP. Rattati's balance work isn't just, or even primarily, based on his personal experience. CCP has metrics for how weapons, dropsuits, vehicles, etc. are performing, how many are sold, and more. They use a lot of statistics in balancing.

The problem is your ADS was "denied" by a swarm launcher. The question is: Was your ADS killed by a swarm launcher? You should die in an FPS.

ADS is really OP. Rattati's balance work isn't just, or even primarily, based on his personal experience. CCP has metrics for how weapons, dropsuits, vehicles, etc. are performing, how many are sold, and more. They use a lot of statistics in balancing.

The problem is your ADS was "denied" by a swarm launcher. The question is: Was your ADS killed by a swarm launcher? You should die in an FPS.

If ADS is killable by a single swarm launcher outside of the ADS pilot being incredibly stupid then it simply kills the role.

The thing about vehicles in pubs is that I don't think they can EVER be balanced vs AV. There are just simply too many solo players and noobs derping things up. If they are balanced for pubs as you are proposing they should be so cheap that you don't worry about losing 4 or 5 a match.

I don't think ADS are OP. o.o I can take one down solo if it's a bad to decent pilot. The pilots that are worth their salt or both to bring good gunners take several AVs to slay but really only one good swarmer to keep from being effective. That's my experience with them at any rate.

ADS will simply be too expensive to fly (even with the decrease in price) and it'll certainly be too expensive to LEARN how to fly (killing stuff is the hard part).

ADS is really OP. Rattati's balance work isn't just, or even primarily, based on his personal experience. CCP has metrics for how weapons, dropsuits, vehicles, etc. are performing, how many are sold, and more. They use a lot of statistics in balancing.

The problem is your ADS was "denied" by a swarm launcher. The question is: Was your ADS killed by a swarm launcher? You should die in an FPS.

CCP gives 15 (I think) starter LAVs in Battle Academy. What if they did the same thing with Dropships? Sure, they'll crash and burn hard, but I think it would be a good way to get new players to try them out. Might even convince a few of them to go the ADS route.

I love all the tears. Especially from pilots who were able to stack their skills and fire faster than what was intended. I love 2 & 3 shotting Derps & ADerps. AV took their nerf a while back the same time tanks were buffed. Sorry they broke your crutch. Please use a cup to catch any lil morsels that might drip off your crybaby cheeks. Bye

There was a newsletter or something to sign up for awhile back that gave you 50 Kali. Recon Drop ships.

See you next week.

Lol, don't count on it.

awwwww, I swear, vets got all the good stuff. (-_- ;)

I'm not one to typically do this, but here we go.

Your recent proposals are simply stupidity at it's max. First you indicate that ADS are OP because you yourself can't kill one with swarms, so buff swarms. Ok, sure maybe a slight buff is needed.

Now you feel it necessary to nerf the ROF. Umm, ok. Just ******* remove vehicles *******. I've stuck it out for a long time but with the advent of destiny (which I'm having WAY more fun with) and this crazy balancing act you have decided to go with, I'm done. Things are way more balanced than you think, but you choose to listen to the "BAD PLAYERS".

I played 2 games this weekend, my ADS was denied by a SINGLE swarm launcher, and my tank had little impact due to insane AV out in an OMS. But you continually feel AV needs more buffs. Go PC and see what happens when good players play with balanced suit match ups.

GG ratt, it was a nice try but way to screw the pooch. I'll be sticking with destiny, me and most everyone I've played with on dust. And no, you can't have my isk, I'd rather it sit there and waste away.

A solo role that cannot be killed by another solo player specced in the role intended to counter it should not exist. So if ADSes can't live with balanced gameplay, that's their choice.



I have long held that I am entirely okay with a vehicle costing as much as a dropsuit, as long as it's balanced to be as powerful as one. ISK cost is not an excuse to be more powerful than two or three players combined.

And yeah, I inherently believe vehicles are broken, and unfixable in DUST. I have a really strong and sincere hope CCP completely redesigns vehicles for Legion from the ground up with proper roles and counters in mind.

This had nothing to do with being a Vet. This was like 2-3 months ago. Maybe longer. All blends together

They will never be able to balance vehicles vs solo players in pubs.

People need to stop advocating for solo STD/Militia/BPO ISK grinders in pubs and push for a more team play oriented game. Push the better players toward playing in team deploy modes and it should clear the way for people to derp it up in pubs.

The times when vehicles were the most balanced in PC, they were completely and utterly destroying the game for people in pubs.

I know people say we shouldn't balance around ISK, but I don't see a way around it for vehicles. The better players in the game are in squads using teamwork while droves of solo players are licking installation windows in the redline. I don't see how it's possible.

hop in a destiny tank and tell me whether or not you're more powerful in dust.

yeah. you're like a ******* omnipotent god in dust.

They will never be able to balance vehicles vs solo players in pubs.

People need to stop advocating for solo STD/Militia/BPO ISK grinders in pubs and push for a more team play oriented game. Push the better players toward playing in team deploy modes and it should clear the way for people to derp it up in pubs.

The times when vehicles were the most balanced in PC, they were completely and utterly destroying the game for people in pubs.

I know people say we shouldn't balance around ISK, but I don't see a way around it for vehicles. The better players in the game are in squads using teamwork while droves of solo players are licking installation windows in the redline. I don't see how it's possible.

This game should be about choices and not being forced to team up with anyone or befriend someone to just come out even .

You already start off this game on the same team .

You've got people who love the friendly fire aspect of this game but your talking about squads , I've been friendly fire stomped by squads in FW .

What is this ..??.. , pre-school ???

Some of these players are not the smartest and trying to figure out who's who is another thing in it's self .

You shouldn't be forced to do anything but win in this game .

I play matches and watch players , who are on the same team ... watch each other die on a daily basis , I can drop a vehicle and get it stolen by a team mate , get team killed in FW , place turrets on HAV's and watch players get into my tank and shoot the air and ground and then when we are confronted by another HAV , my turrets have no ammo because these " team mates " used all the ammo shooting at nothing worth while , they used it up on shooting other team mates , the ground and the MCC and yes if I was in a squad then maybe that wouldn't happen or would happen less but the fact of the matter is , you can't rely on anyone other then yourself and forcing every aspect of this game to be team based will drive away more people then it attracts .

People like to have and use their own personalities and not be forced to do anything , much less ... then to co-op with people who are not as serious in winning or focused ... or some that are too serious and don't like to fool around while playing this game .

I'm serious when I play and don't like to fool around , don't know too many who play that way .

I play solo and I play to win .

Don't see what you said there to have much truth behind it .

Your story doesn't reflect the community as a whole .

Goofing off doesn't get the job done for me .

but... but... think of all the stuff you have!! all of the isk! all of the sp! all of the forum likes!! all of the kills!!

Wow, so many temper-tantrums over this!

You guys are making me feel old.