ADS is really OP. Rattati's balance work isn't just, or even primarily, based on his personal experience. CCP has metrics for how weapons, dropsuits, vehicles, etc. are performing, how many are sold, and more. They use a lot of statistics in balancing.

The problem is your ADS was "denied" by a swarm launcher. The question is: Was your ADS killed by a swarm launcher? You should die in an FPS.

I don't think ADS are OP. o.o I can take one down solo if it's a bad to decent pilot. The pilots that are worth their salt or both to bring good gunners take several AVs to slay but really only one good swarmer to keep from being effective. That's my experience with them at any rate.

A solo role that cannot be killed by another solo player specced in the role intended to counter it should not exist. So if ADSes can't live with balanced gameplay, that's their choice.



I have long held that I am entirely okay with a vehicle costing as much as a dropsuit, as long as it's balanced to be as powerful as one. ISK cost is not an excuse to be more powerful than two or three players combined.

And yeah, I inherently believe vehicles are broken, and unfixable in DUST. I have a really strong and sincere hope CCP completely redesigns vehicles for Legion from the ground up with proper roles and counters in mind.

This game should be about choices and not being forced to team up with anyone or befriend someone to just come out even .

You already start off this game on the same team .

You've got people who love the friendly fire aspect of this game but your talking about squads , I've been friendly fire stomped by squads in FW .

What is this ..??.. , pre-school ???

Some of these players are not the smartest and trying to figure out who's who is another thing in it's self .

You shouldn't be forced to do anything but win in this game .

I play matches and watch players , who are on the same team ... watch each other die on a daily basis , I can drop a vehicle and get it stolen by a team mate , get team killed in FW , place turrets on HAV's and watch players get into my tank and shoot the air and ground and then when we are confronted by another HAV , my turrets have no ammo because these " team mates " used all the ammo shooting at nothing worth while , they used it up on shooting other team mates , the ground and the MCC and yes if I was in a squad then maybe that wouldn't happen or would happen less but the fact of the matter is , you can't rely on anyone other then yourself and forcing every aspect of this game to be team based will drive away more people then it attracts .

People like to have and use their own personalities and not be forced to do anything , much less ... then to co-op with people who are not as serious in winning or focused ... or some that are too serious and don't like to fool around while playing this game .

I'm serious when I play and don't like to fool around , don't know too many who play that way .

I play solo and I play to win .

Don't see what you said there to have much truth behind it .

Your story doesn't reflect the community as a whole .

Goofing off doesn't get the job done for me .

Wow, so many temper-tantrums over this!

You guys are making me feel old.

Jesus.

As a pilot (and AVer) even I can see how hideously OP ADS' (especially with the ROF) were. They were only vaguely balanced by their cost, but that wasnt enough.

The nerfs hurt yes, but lowering the hull cost helps massively. Also allows the real pilots to shine through, not the wannabes.

So everyone should feel sorry for the OP because the OP saw the next FOTM, ADS with stacked pilot skills. But Big Bad CCP broke his toy. OMG that is so traumatic.

Sorry but that is a load of sh!t. Tanks have slowly disappeared from PC becuz they suck now. Maybe you might see some, but then it becomes just a worthless trading of tanks. The tankers have a pizzing contest of who can pop who. Most PC's take place on the same boring map, where tanks are irrelevant. Scouts, cloaks, & Derps can do everything better than tanks. Drops ships had this coming and well deserved.

Are you sure you've actually played pc? I was about to comment on how ADS's are ruining pc. My corp refuses to play without at least two ads pilots. They always have at least 15 kill and a 4 kdr. At least you can hide from tanks in the city. There's literally nowhere an ads can't kill you.

This thread has really been educational.

As in, it taught me who doesn't actually play PC.