ONE precision enhancer should reveal all normal scouts, then it should tier up from there. 1 dampener scout = 2 precision assault, 2 dampener scout = 3 precision assault, etc...

I use a needle in PC too, but only the 100% ones.

But when a person is involved in PC and takes it serious it's not FOTM, it's a shift in meta, there is a difference. A lot of the things considered FOTM in pubs don't translate to PC very well. It's another issue in my opinion with CCP being overly concerned about solo players in pubs when balancing.

Let me assure you that we are monitoring the situation very carefully. Every indication is that our Hotfixes are changing the landscape/meta slowly but surely.

We are measuring Kills/Spawn and Kills/Death ratios for dropsuits and weapons, and also Spawns/Consumption and Market Sales data to gauge player preference. Admittedly, most of these balancing and engagement data dashboards have been implemented over the last 3 months.

1) Blaster Tanks - Took a KDR hit, but 10-20%, nothing grievous
2) Seeing Gallente and Caldari Scouts make way for both Minmatar and Amarr
3) Assault Rifles, really amazing actually how closely they perform but we are now seeing some bumps we would like to smooth out
4) HMG Sentinels, also seeing them and HMG efficience go down, but just right down to other suits and the HMG is on par with the Rifles.
5) Racial parity within each frame is something we keep an eye out, and it seems, even though Amarr is touted as the best of the bunch, that they are all on par. Minmatar overall do slightly worse and we will take note of that.
6) Sidearms, we see that they are unbalanced, but the numbers aren't crazy, the Assault SMG is OP, and the Flaylock is UP, but overall, nothing crazy. It's just that everyone grows up with the SMG in their Starter fit and stick with it.
7) Dmg mods needed a tweak and got one, other shield mods in high will need a buff to compete with extenders.
8) Armor plate stacking is definitely on the way out, seeing way more reactives, ferros and repair modules, regulators need a buff.

So again, the playerbase and engagement is actually as healthy as it has been for a long time, and I sincerely believe in making DUST 514 a better game for us all.

P.S. I try to play one or two Domination matches every morning, after the boys go to school and before the baby wakes up, it's around 7:30-8:30 Shanghai time. So if you want to kill me, that's where you can find me, but bring your A game, you don't want to be killed by a dev

Shotguns are definitely NOT OP. Their RoF has been nerfed since the proficiency change, their range is horrible, and their worst quality (if I could call it that) is the hit detection.

Not only that, but the operation skill makes it harder to use per level, awkwardly enough. If a change is coming to the shotgun, let it be the operation skill and change it to RoF or something useful. Maybe an increase in pellet count or hit detection (lol).

Is it possible to make this data public for us to misinterperate look over? I'm sure I and many other would like to examine some actual data rather than just hearsay and personal opinions.

cal scout is still rather FOTM cause you cannot get them passively on tacnet with out gimping your ehp.. they have stupid high shield regen and can brick their ehp well OH and lets not forget the BUGGED HITBOX and super range on passive scan.. thats why cal scout is still the daddy vs cal assault or most other suits

Math must be hard for you. Fitting two cPEs allows assaults to see half of the scouts if they aren't running damps. 3cPE will allow to see all scouts that aren't running damps.

Logistics can fit one less precision than assaults for the same scenario.

No...assaults shouldn't be "heavy" scouts. Besides logistics can already do this. Scouts have to fit one precision to see scouts too except the amarr and gal as they get bonuses to them. If you want to counter a scout with an assault either run a focused scanner or sacrifice all your hp to do so. Scouts have to sacrifice multiple low slots to stay hidden just the same.

Scouts that don't want to be seen can't be seen, but you have to force most of them to do that. And it's always a large sacrifice.

The focused gal scans already require half the scouts to use the proto cloak and 3 damps. Without the cloak we are seen and can't fit any more lows. The gal is the only one who can forgo cloak for 3 damps.

advanced and proto shotguns can easly 2shot kill from like 0-15 meters meters with a TTK of like 1 second

2-shot at 15m, heh?

Sounds like an easy experiment.
Please link video.

I'm not sure if people are using Cal Scouts much in PC, maybe but it doesn't seem all that likely. The Gal Scout is the scariest thing out there for a Heavy city squad and the best counter to it is now the Amarr Scout.

But I haven't had much time for PC since July and haven't heard the squad comps lately.

3) Assault Rifles, really amazing actually how closely they perform but we are now seeing some bumps we would like to smooth out

Changing uplinks to a lower number of variants and applying skills as bonuses instead of 10 different variants to eliminate spam would change the meta in HUGE ways.

Let me assure you that we are monitoring the situation very carefully. Every indication is that our Hotfixes are changing the landscape/meta slowly but surely.

We are measuring Kills/Spawn and Kills/Death ratios for dropsuits and weapons, and also Spawns/Consumption and Market Sales data to gauge player preference. Admittedly, most of these balancing and engagement data dashboards have been implemented over the last 3 months.

1) Blaster Tanks - Took a KDR hit, but 10-20%, nothing grievous
2) Seeing Gallente and Caldari Scouts make way for both Minmatar and Amarr
3) Assault Rifles, really amazing actually how closely they perform but we are now seeing some bumps we would like to smooth out
4) HMG Sentinels, also seeing them and HMG efficience go down, but just right down to other suits and the HMG is on par with the Rifles.
5) Racial parity within each frame is something we keep an eye out, and it seems, even though Amarr is touted as the best of the bunch, that they are all on par. Minmatar overall do slightly worse and we will take note of that.
6) Sidearms, we see that they are unbalanced, but the numbers aren't crazy, the Assault SMG is OP, and the Flaylock is UP, but overall, nothing crazy. It's just that everyone grows up with the SMG in their Starter fit and stick with it.
7) Dmg mods needed a tweak and got one, other shield mods in high will need a buff to compete with extenders.
8) Armor plate stacking is definitely on the way out, seeing way more reactives, ferros and repair modules, regulators need a buff.

So again, the playerbase and engagement is actually as healthy as it has been for a long time, and I sincerely believe in making DUST 514 a better game for us all.

P.S. I try to play one or two Domination matches every morning, after the boys go to school and before the baby wakes up, it's around 7:30-8:30 Shanghai time. So if you want to kill me, that's where you can find me, but bring your A game, you don't want to be killed by a dev

At 15m a Shotgun only does 10% damage. . . if you got killed at 15 meters than either someone else was damaging you or you survived the previous damage with a sliver of health left.

The cloak may help you get there, but after you fire the first shot they start to turn around. Before the second shot they've started to fire, before the third shot you're dead.

900 eHP against a shotgun gives you all you need to win an encounter with them.

It's a Specialized Alpha Damage weapon. If I'm running a shotgun and I get the drop on you, by all rights you should be killed.
Its Optimal Range is 4.8m.

Moving while cloaked doesn't render you invisible, it leaves a glowing blue outline. You're just as likely to notice or ignore it as you are someone that isn't cloaked that's got a Scan Profile under your team's Scan Precision.

Explain how the theory I've laid out is unfair toward scouts. You can still hide, it just takes more effort, unless you have a racial bonus etc.

I was with you all they way until you said HMGs are on par with rifles, and they are, however the only thing "heavy" about them is weapon handling. They are LIGHT mg's. Heavy machine guns (Browning M-2, PKM 12.7, etc) all have range and are ment for support of a full company. LIGHT machine guns (m240b, browning 1919, MG42) are for squad support on smaller scales. I,E Us Marine, pacific theatre, see John Basilone.

Point being. If the mislabeled hmg is meant for close quarters only (ew) they need a handling increase. Quicker reload and such.


If not, how about we @ least give it some semi realistic range?


Id love to also get into scramblet pistols but they are still tolerable. I just wish my magsec would get a lil rof or recoil bonus. Thanks for reading

I still chuckle when I push the button, you hear the boom from the shotgun and then 4 seconds later they fly through the air and die from it.

The only thing I would really take a look at is what the speed does to the hit detection on a scout suit. Rattati needs to make a scout with 9.5m/s or over and try this in a pub:

Run in the middle of redberries.
Wiggle left stick back and forth and jump around as fast as you can.

Laugh Maniacally until they finally kill you.

Saw you, I was dumbing around trying to make an AV fit (I didn't have one on CCP Rattati) and got AFK kicked

I did go second in Fracture Road 14/7 and a little less than 2k WP, in my defense. Atiim can vouch for me

P.P.S Shotguns and Burst HMG are OP

Saw you, I was dumbing around trying to make an AV fit (I didn't have one on CCP Rattati) and got AFK kicked

I did go second in Fracture Road 14/7 and a little less than 2k WP, in my defense. Atiim can vouch for me

You can't be serious about the shotgun thing.