just 1 cal scout counter this......

I agree. As long as people stick with a squad, a scout can be countered. Nothing discourages me from attacking more than a group that regularly has eyes behind their heads. This is why the vast majority of my victims happen to be lone stragglers and redline snipers.

Not any more, my friend. Min/Gal scouts win the EWAR race if they stack enough dampeners.

Not any more, my friend. Min/Gal scouts win the EWAR race if they stack enough dampeners.

The knives are not the issue. With some proper situational awareness and a passive scanner buddy, they can be spotted. The issue come with the degrading server quality that makes the quick suits untouchable unless you can effectively use a weapon with splash damage. I prefer the assault mass driver for this.

HA ! minmatar scums will burn infront of my gal & cal scout

I really don't see why you need an entire squad to counter a single scout that is easy to see, as the cloaks of this game are fairly tame in comparison to others (like the Crysis series and the HL2 mod 'The Hidden' for example). Even if scouts can see you, that means that they'll be within your proximity most of the time. Being paranoid also helps...

Also, another way to understand the ways of the scout is to play scout yourself, and I play everything from infantry to vehicles. Lone targets are the perfect victims, and usually uncontested (is not overpowered when they're simply not paying attention). Most knifers that attempt to kill me are quickly dispatched... to death.

One thing I wonder about is that some people find the slashing sound of knives to be fairly quite, while I find them noticeably loud, and some people complain when they don't hear it...

Hearing is just as effective, if not more than, tacnet scanning.

Everyone can be tacnet invisible now.

Its blind vs blind in scout ways, unless someone chooses not to dampen.

Sounds like an even playing field to me.

The only issue I have found is kincat stacked proto scouts. With a cloak when they sprint you won't see them I've stared intently at one before that was hiding behind a supply depot. I knew exactly where it would be and I never saw it sprint to the left of me and shotgun me. That and you can't see the blue sheen of the cloak in lens flare parts of the game (I really wish they would get rid of that, are you telling me these ******* suits don't have tinting? Sound is another issue, it's really just a pet peeve, but everything should sound like your in a suit... granted halo doesn't do it either but still, it would add to the immersion.

As for the Crysis comparison everyone can cloak so it's pretty balanced. And Ironically with you bringing up the hidden... that's a mod where you have a team versus a cloaked guy with a knife and stun grenades. Our scouts can pull out light weapons and start shooting you before their cloak even wears off. Those games are just bad comparisons.

Min scout has zero EWAR bonus. It can't possibly win anything EWAR related that another race can't match. Except *perhaps* the cal scout due simply to the extra low at proto.

Knufe ans stun grenades? You mean hunter in which youre perma cloaked with a bow right. P.S. only like 200 people play crysis anymore.

calm down guys its not really OP

hahaha

scrambler scouts and to an extent shotgun scouts coutner this setup quite nicely

for the record though the min scout is unscannable with 3x complex damps for everthing except a gal logi toting a proto focused scanner

And if he runs a proto cloak (and is using it), I believe the min scout evades even the Gal Logi.

Do you agree?

its hard to do the math on it but probably yeah

wow. the concept of knives killing players... welcome to the normal world of FPS...

The only issue I have found is kincat stacked proto scouts. With a cloak when they sprint you won't see them I've stared intently at one before that was hiding behind a supply depot. I knew exactly where it would be and I never saw it sprint to the left of me and shotgun me. That and you can't see the blue sheen of the cloak in lens flare parts of the game (I really wish they would get rid of that, are you telling me these ******* suits don't have tinting? Sound is another issue, it's really just a pet peeve, but everything should sound like your in a suit... granted halo doesn't do it either but still, it would add to the immersion.

As for the Crysis comparison everyone can cloak so it's pretty balanced. And Ironically with you bringing up the hidden... that's a mod where you have a team versus a cloaked guy with a knife and stun grenades. Our scouts can pull out light weapons and start shooting you before their cloak even wears off. Those games are just bad comparisons.

Edit: Also, sound issues happen a lot because of bad coding. Ever turn around to a dropship or tank that is right behind you and you couldn't hear them? Ever had someone rapid fire a ScR and you couldn't hear it? Ever get run over by an LAV only to hear the engine finally as it drives away from you? Same happens sometimes for shotguns and knives. When people are complaining about not hearing the sounds, that's is because sometimes the game just decides it doesn't want to produce a sound.

I wasn't discussing the gameplay or balance of the games that I mentioned that involved cloaks... just the visual of the cloaks and defining how they are far more difficult to see than Dust's cloaks. Just the visual appearance. Cloaks in Dust are walking christmas trees in comparison, at least for me and a few others.

I stack quad complex kincats on my Gallente scout with a cloak, and see other players utilizing a similar fitting running at similar speed just fine...

You can't see the cloak in immensely bright areas as they completely overtake the cloaks appearance. I like to refer to it as 'the reverse ninja', where it is not the shadows that hide you well.

Sound issues are true, but the majority of the the time they are not too consistent. I also love it when I die to orbitals that appear out of nowhere... "Where the f*ck was the 'whiiiiiiiiiiiir'?"

I find it very funny that the op didn't list aim adhesion as one of the reasons nova knives work better

minmatar scouts are absolutly insane.

this weekend has been an absolute stompfest with games like

52/5
44/6
41/3
43/4
38/4

http://imgur.com/a/ysuRk#0

with the hit detection finally working and that tiny bit of extra range this suit is absolutly devistating to any team that isnt rocking a whole squad of scouts of its own.

im absolutly floored what such a small change could do

(this was with a proto minmatar scout with proficiancy 5 in nova knives... your results may very)

Only because you and everyone in your Corp glitch this game

Way OP...Two issues here, one is the base dmg is way too high, 2nd is that targets moving beyond a certain speed don't seem to register dmg very accurately this is a known issue but it really shows in this case. For me its more frustrating then even the cheese of Shotgunning Gal Scouts because usually i can take a shotgun blast, stilll turn and burn FTW, but KN are just way too hard hitting if they are over prof. 3 its generally a one shot even on heavies from what I've heard which is just dumb, why have all that armor/health and SP invested to withstand Dmg. when u can get killed by a 5mill SP setup that costs half the isk. and is stupid easy to play.

They are weilded by 300 hp or less scouts who have to get within 2.5 meters to kill you.

Man up.

i forgot