I was playing around with melee today and if its true they fixed knife hit detection I hope they fix melee too... Had a guy hacking right in front of me walked right up to him punched him twice he turned around and shot me once with his militia shotgun doing 800+ e/hp damage... (I was using a Calmmando so the shotgun did bonus damage to my 500 shields)

Funny thing was in the kill screen he had 213 shields and 200 armor (He was an adv minmitar logi with a cloak.) I later had him shotgun me again and he had the exact same suit with the exact same shields. That's when I realized my two punches did not hit him even though his shields flared and body moved.

TL;DR: That's cool OP, can Rattatai fix the melee detection now?

On a side note my favorite thing to do is punch a minja to death when the hit detection actually works.

ALL novaknife kills, every single kitten one of them

scrim and dom

all maps, in citys and open spaces doesnt seem to matter as i dont stand in the middle of an open field no matter what map it is :P theres always rocks and crates for cover.

flanking on open maps is actually alot easyer it just takes longer, i like to use blueberrys as bait to make sure their attention is focused in the direction i want them to be focused however.


proto suits are incredably easy to take out, 1 charge swipe and done, only brick tanked amaar and gal heavys survive that and i can just finish them up with a mele hit after the knife to clean up the survivors. a tip is to jump on aproach and charge while in the air alowing you to charge up your knives without losing any speed.


kin cats are your friend

But what about all the min scouts who do just that, only for me to dodge away and keep range. I know there are a lot of stupid blueberries (often times if it wasn't for me just paying attention to that cloaker running around the side, all blueberries would die to one scout that was clear as day to anyone using their eyes), but where do I get berries like the ones you come against.

And I run 2 kin cats and 2 myos with a cloak and nothing but a knife on my pure knife suit. All it takes is 2 or 3 bullets from a freaking milita weapon to drop me.

But what about all the min scouts who do just that, only for me to dodge away and keep range. I know there are a lot of stupid blueberries (often times if it wasn't for me just paying attention to that cloaker running around the side, all blueberries would die to one scout that was clear as day to anyone using their eyes), but where do I get berries like the ones you come against.

And I run 2 kin cats and 2 myos with a cloak and nothing but a knife on my pure knife suit. All it takes is 2 or 3 bullets from a freaking milita weapon to drop me.

Please report to PC deploys for OP knife testing..
Pub battles a Min Scout can go 20-0 with his bare hands, Is the suit OP?

No.. neither are the knives, what is OP is peoples ignorance to cloakers and the lack of effort with scans
'Knife you once, shame on me.. Knife you twice shame on you!'
Mercs rarely bother to check their flanks or to use scanning gear in pub battles, opening themselves up to Scout kills
Some Minja's are just damn hard to avoid but a large % are just fast suits making quick flanks and getting kills...
which would be negated if - The team covered their flanks - Used the right scanning gear..

In PC the Mk.0 has a good hacking and killing bonus but is kept in-line by the fact it is the easiest to track down
You see it get some use but it is still an inferior suit to the Gk.0 Scout and the others are arguable depending how you play

In pub battles... 2 Kincatz will do most of the work, the reds are unlikely to scan you down and even if they did,
your speed gets you out of most tight spots.. And right back into the next kill

But in PC where the balance is best 16 Vs 16 going for the win, I do not think the Nova Knives are any way OP
They are efficient to quickly take down an enemy (any enemy ) and get hacks in fast..
If the knives could not down an enemy as fast as they do.. what would be the point in using the weakest suit ingame??

And if you insist on runnin Mk.0 with Ishukones in public contracts I am not surprised you think it's OP

Got OHKed twice by a Russian min scout knifer soon after the change. He didn't get the drop on me either time, was just camping a doorway and hit me in the face. FIrst time, was expecting a gunfight, second time, was expecting knives, but hadn't realized the range had been buffed.

Moral of the story is, a NKer can now actually lock down an enclosed area unless you brought a burst HMG or core locus with you. Does seem borderline OP, not sure min scout+NKs is really meant as a stationary instaglib dispenser. Perhaps there is some counter I'm missing though.

You could grenade/RE every doorway lol, but as far as reasonable counters I guess you just have to learn to twirl like a ballerina all the time. It's what I do always now because of how many shotgun/knova knife scouts are running around these days.

Even if knova knives got buffed they can't be OP unless we consider shotguns to be OP.

What I'm saying is I KNEW EXACTLY WHERE HE WAS! But there was still no way to handle him, short of running off to a supply depot to get explosives... which is just asking for a knife in the back. He could camp like a heavy indefinitely, instaglibbing anyone that came that way. There has always been a similar thing with shotguns, but they do at least miss more than NKs do now and are not going to OHK anything heavier than a scout.

I suppose that's true although My Caldari assaults get Ohkoed by shotguns a lot. Darn that shield damage profile on shottys.

There wasn't another way into the building?

Got OHKed twice by a Russian min scout knifer soon after the change. He didn't get the drop on me either time, was just camping a doorway and hit me in the face. FIrst time, was expecting a gunfight, second time, was expecting knives, but hadn't realized the range had been buffed.

Moral of the story is, a NKer can now actually lock down an enclosed area unless you brought a burst HMG or core locus with you. Does seem borderline OP, not sure min scout+NKs is really meant as a stationary instaglib dispenser. Perhaps there is some counter I'm missing though.

All the entrances were the same, so while I reposition myself he could just camp the doorway I'm moving to.

What I'm saying is I KNEW EXACTLY WHERE HE WAS! But there was still no way to handle him, short of running off to a supply depot to get explosives... which is just asking for a knife in the back. He could camp like a heavy indefinitely, instaglibbing anyone that came that way. There has always been a similar thing with shotguns, but they do at least miss more than NKs do now and are not going to OHK anything heavier than a scout.

Did you not jump and then backpedal?

It is still hard for me to kill people who are constantly moving. If I lose track of someone for a second, I am dead.

I would never sit in one place as a knifer, unless I was trying to hide and survive. That is just a good way to get myself killed.

Otherwise, shotguns at 5-10 m work as well. Even of the militia variety. You rarely see knifers with lots of tank.

ah true let me guess was it the little Gallente Socket buildings with two entrances and a roof access? If so, then yeah I'd imagine he could see your red chevron the whole time. In that situation id just bail and go find another target. If you are scared of him coming at you just watch the building while you call in a LAV. He's not going to catch you if your driving away lol. I assume it was just you and him so I would of done this and went off to join the rest of the fight where everyone else was.

He was hiding literally next to the door. So to enter the building I had to get to within 1-2m of him. It would have been possible for me to jump in and he MIGHT have missed but it's a very high risk move with the new knife range.

Jumping is a big issue for knifers. You would be surprised how effective it is. I swear that sometimes people jump within my range, and it results in my knife not hitting them.

Was there an alternate entrance you could have used?

The knives are not the issue. With some proper situational awareness and a passive scanner buddy, they can be spotted. The issue come with the degrading server quality that makes the quick suits untouchable unless you can effectively use a weapon with splash damage. I prefer the assault mass driver for this.

minmatar scouts are absolutly insane.

this weekend has been an absolute stompfest with games like

52/5
44/6
41/3
43/4
38/4

http://imgur.com/a/ysuRk#0

with the hit detection finally working and that tiny bit of extra range this suit is absolutly devistating to any team that isnt rocking a whole squad of scouts of its own.

im absolutly floored what such a small change could do

(this was with a proto minmatar scout with proficiancy 5 in nova knives... your results may very)

Proto spam squad with max skill on PUB match..............., "REALLY!"

I'm so proud of you.