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maluble Espi0nage 35	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:01:00 - [1] - Quote The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3075	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:06:00 - [2] - Quote I dislike sharing my bonus, with the filthy Caldari... ... but I, also, miss my scan range. Man, I miss my OP Gallente Scout. EDIT: Don't touch their knife bonus!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4321	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:33:00 - [3] - Quote FU, leave the bonuses alone Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Tectonic Fusion 2028	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:34:00 - [4] - Quote They are damn close to balance. I only wish I could spec out of my cal scout and into the min scout.
OgTheEnigma The Rainbow Effect 197	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:36:00 - [5] - Quote Swap the hacking bonus for dampening, the Nova Knife bonus is what makes the suit really fun.
Zindorak 1.U.P 636	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:37:00 - [6] - Quote maluble wrote: The only scout that takes doesn't take skill to use is minmatar and caldari the other two can either be seen from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Have minmatar keep nova knife damage; I can't cut brick tanked heavys with ishys and prof 5. Fixed it for ya Pokemon master
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2898	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:37:00 - [7] - Quote You're gonna have a lot of people stabbing you in back and face for suggesting taking away the knife bonus...
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:46:00 - [8] - Quote maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3448	Posted - 2014.08.19 22:08:00 - [9] - Quote Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie? Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses. As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless. Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group. Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus. I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times... You can always tell a Millford Minja
The Eristic Dust 90210 618	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:57:00 - [10] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I dislike sharing my bonus, with the filthy Caldari... Even though the Gal can get lower due to its slot layout, it still feels kinda wrong that the Cal's smaller/secondary bonus is the same as the Gal's larger/primary. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 170	Posted - 2014.08.20 00:59:00 - [11] - Quote Would you rather we get 25% faster reload speed, 15% more damage output, 25% reduction to equipment cpu/pg, and 25% resistance to damage of blaster/projectile/laser/rail? My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Cass Caul 784	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:04:00 - [12] - Quote Temias Mercurial wrote: Would you rather we get 25% faster reload speed, 15% more damage output, 25% reduction to equipment cpu/pg, and 25% resistance to damage of blaster/projectile/laser/rail? All 4 Scouts should have all of those bonuses I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11529	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:15:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times... Nah, I've seen him in-game and he runs an ADV MinScout with Ishukone NKs. He's pretty good too. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11529	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:16:00 - [14] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Temias Mercurial wrote: Would you rather we get 25% faster reload speed, 15% more damage output, 25% reduction to equipment cpu/pg, and 25% resistance to damage of blaster/projectile/laser/rail? All 4 Scouts should have all of those bonuses Scout Dropsuits should not have a bonus to Damage Resistance. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1087	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:27:00 - [15] - Quote maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias. Amarrica! It's Not Safe to Swim.
aaaasdff ertgfdd 227	Posted - 2014.08.20 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. If what you said were true then it might be unbalanced, but anyone can hide from Amarr if they so choose. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
maluble Espi0nage 38	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:44:00 - [17] - Quote Beastlina wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed. I want to be invisible to scouts im not to concerned with heavys or mediums, and hack speed is what makes the min scout not knive bonus. Ishukons lvl 5 prof will one charge just about any medium suit or none proto heavy. We need the dampening to make knives more effective.
maluble Espi0nage 38	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:48:00 - [18] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias. Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact.
maluble Espi0nage 38	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:50:00 - [19] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. If what you said were true then it might be unbalanced, but anyone can hide from Amarr if they so choose. Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold.
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 920	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:54:00 - [20] - Quote The Minmatar scout drop-suit can be incredibly powerful with the right gameplay style and fitting. However, as I do not wish to face that all over again, I'm not telling. :P What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?

maluble Espi0nage 38	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:54:00 - [21] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie? Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses. As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless. Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group. Check your math buddy u need 3 complex damps with proto cloak and your only undetected while cloaked so as soon as u uncloak you can be seen by fully spected ammars and I think a fully spected gal logi with duvolle focused AS. Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus. I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times...
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 786	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:54:00 - [22] - Quote Take the hack bonus, take the speed, just don't take my knives! D: They can keep their damned bonuses. All I want are my knives. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4432	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:58:00 - [23] - Quote maluble wrote: ...are unbalenced Please. Tell us more. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 65	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:07:00 - [24] - Quote I think the min scout bonuses are purrrrrrrrrfect as they are. Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 252	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:09:00 - [25] - Quote Scouts are fine as they are, they all now have strengths and weakness. They don't need to be changed at all. As for Min scout and NK bonus, it is perfect along with hacking. Without the min scout i wouldn't be able shank a fatty in 1-2 shots. Always 1 shot if i triple stack 8% side arm damage mods.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3483	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:12:00 - [26] - Quote maluble wrote: Beastlina wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed. I want to be invisible to scouts im not to concerned with heavys or mediums, and hack speed is what makes the min scout not knive bonus. Ishukons lvl 5 prof will one charge just about any medium suit or none proto heavy. We need the dampening to make knives more effective. We don't need more dampening. For details, see below. And speak for yourself about knifing. That is my favorite minja bonus, and a lot of others too. And since charlie, I have seen people skilling into them BECAUSE of the knife bonus, not hacking. If you took the knifing bonus, Minjas would become bland. Gallente, with their superior low slot numbers, would be able to be more flexible and out minja a minja. maluble wrote: Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold. YOU are the wrong one. Here is the new scout EWAR scanning models. As you can see on the sheet, the Amarr scout scans at 17.8, which due to rounding, makes it 18 dB. You can also see that with 3 complex damps, the minmatar get down to 15.9 dB, which rounds to 16 dB, and easily beat s the Amarr scans. Also, with 2 complex damps, you would be at 18.5, and with a proto cloak, you would get down to 16.65 dB, rounding to 17 dB. Again beating the Amarr scout. Lastly, you will see that the Gal Logi with a Focused Scanner can scan at 15 dB. With 3 complex damps, and a proto cloak, a Minja can get down to 14.3 dB, rounded down to 14 dB, and beat those scans. tl;dr Minjas are capable of beating all scans! Please do your research and trust when lifelong Minjas are telling you that more dampening isn't necessary. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4433	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:14:00 - [27] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Please do your research ... That sounds alot like effort, King. You're being unreasonable :p Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2727	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:26:00 - [28] - Quote The entire scan mechanic is broken. They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long. I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3484	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:30:00 - [29] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The entire scan mechanic is broken. They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long. I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat. Agreed. Unfortunately that will be a Legion thing You can always tell a Millford Minja
DozersMouse XIII Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 873	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:33:00 - [30] - Quote maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. you are dumb you have 3 lows and 3 highs try some comp damps with ishukone cloak and try some damn precision enhancers M.A.G. Platinum trophy holder

DozersMouse XIII Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 873	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:38:00 - [31] - Quote maluble wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. If what you said were true then it might be unbalanced, but anyone can hide from Amarr if they so choose. Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold. are you sure? nuuurf eyesight? M.A.G. Platinum trophy holder
Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 818	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:13:00 - [32] - Quote Atiim wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times... Nah, I've seen him in-game and he runs an ADV MinScout with Ishukone NKs. He's pretty good too. name me all the nova knifers you can remember. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 818	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:18:00 - [33] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: maluble wrote: Beastlina wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed. I want to be invisible to scouts im not to concerned with heavys or mediums, and hack speed is what makes the min scout not knive bonus. Ishukons lvl 5 prof will one charge just about any medium suit or none proto heavy. We need the dampening to make knives more effective. We don't need more dampening. For details, see below. And speak for yourself about knifing. That is my favorite minja bonus, and a lot of others too. And since charlie, I have seen people skilling into them BECAUSE of the knife bonus, not hacking. If you took the knifing bonus, Minjas would become bland. Gallente, with their superior low slot numbers, would be able to be more flexible and out minja a minja. maluble wrote: Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold. YOU are the wrong one. Here is the new scout EWAR scanning models. As you can see on the sheet, the Amarr scout scans at 17.8, which due to rounding, makes it 18 dB. You can also see that with 3 complex damps, the minmatar get down to 15.9 dB, which rounds to 16 dB, and easily beats the Amarr scans. Also, with 2 complex damps, you would be at 18.5, and with a proto cloak, you would get down to 16.65 dB, rounding to 17 dB. Again beating the Amarr scout. Lastly, you will see that the Gal Logi with a Focused Scanner can scan at 15 dB. With 3 complex damps, and a proto cloak, a Minja can get down to 14.3 dB, rounded down to 14 dB, and beat those scans. tl;dr Minjas are capable of beating all scans! Please do your research and trust when lifelong Minjas are telling you that more dampening isn't necessary. by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sht. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts. Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3489	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:29:00 - [34] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sh*t. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts. That is the point, they are supposed to sacrifice. Aside from Gal Logi, who only need to fit an active scanner, the other suits are also making a sacrifice in order to maximize their precision. I have yet to fit codebreakers because I find with lvl 5 hacking, I can ninja hack just fine. If need be, I can always make a suit specifically geared toward hacking, and switch out after the fact. This is what the game is supposed to be about. Making sacrifices in order to specialize. I don't even run damps on my fits right now because most people don't max their precision. And if I need it, again, I can make a fit that will be dampened enough. I think things are working well for Minjas. We don't need to be OP in order to be relevant. You can always tell a Millford Minja
WARRIOR GAC Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION 159	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:36:00 - [35] - Quote I'd settle raise your speed and leave a free module to put another .
xAckie Ghost. Mob 445	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:45:00 - [36] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The entire scan mechanic is broken. They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long. I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat. This. Scouts are still broke. EHP cannot fix the scan / ewar disparity. Or the idiotic shoot but dont show up on the tac net.
mollerz 5065	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:48:00 - [37] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sh*t. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts. The scouting community has been working with CCP Ratatati and Logibro about the minja's PG issues. One thing supposedly on deck is to add a fitting optimization skill for knives. As far as base PG, we've mentioned the issues and have yet, as far as I know, heard a concrete decision on the matter. Please mention your concerns to CCP Rattati if you get a chance. Dingle Dust Berry.
mollerz 5068	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:49:00 - [38] - Quote Oh yea.. and don't touch the knifing bonus. -1 to the OP Dingle Dust Berry.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3122	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:52:00 - [39] - Quote maluble wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias. Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact. Hacking is ewar, I think what you mean is that min scouts dont have an ewar bonus that you like
Kuruld Sengar Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:52:00 - [40] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Take the hack bonus, take the speed, just don't take my knives! D: They can keep their damned bonuses. All I want are my knives. Without my knives... I would be nothing D:

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 253	Posted - 2014.08.23 22:31:00 - [41] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The entire scan mechanic is broken. They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long. I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat. There is nothing wrong with having passive scans in the game, It's not a wallhack since its part of the game. Only people from games that don't have it would consider it a cheat. As for making it a kill streak or something like that, you just need to quit dust if you think they need something from the worst fps in the world in Dust. There are enough people crying to make this game closer to Call of Doody so why are you trying to do it as well? Call of Doody player have completely ruined dust and i really wish they never were allowed to play it. Sine i have been playing since week 1 closed beta, I have watched things that were perfect the way the were get put into the endless nerf/buff cycle all because of the people from the crappy FPS got stomped into the ground. People cry that Dust has broken mechanics in it, well lokk at Call of Doody and tell me which has more broken mechanics in it. In no other good FPS does going prone in the middle of a fire fight work, or doing a base ball slide not get you killed. That good gives everyone a crutch with massive aim assist and things like that, so the worst players look good and average player looks like god, then when they come to Dust where there is no crutches to help them stand on, they cry and whine nd b!tch until CCP caves and ruins yet another aspect of the game.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4437	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:24:00 - [42] - Quote ^ Some good points above, but you can't say that Dust is a crutch-free shooter. * Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle * Backpedal * Insta-spin * Fine Rifle Hipfire These mechanics are no more or less questionable than drop-shots and dolphin-dives. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9141	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:32:00 - [43] - Quote maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. FRAKK YOU! I want to keep my nova knife bonus. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9142	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:39:00 - [44] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The entire scan mechanic is broken. They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long. I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat. It is not... I repeat... it is not a wall hack nor a cheat at all since CCP purposefully implemented the scan in the first place since the very beginning of Dust. I don't care if other games call it a cheat because what happens in other games like CoD, BF, and Halo have absolutely no bearing on Dust. The only game that has any bearing at all on Dust is Eve Online mainly because of the connection with Tranquility and the shared lore between the two games and we all know how Eve players are. Call it a cheat or hack for all I care. If CCP says it's part of the game, then tough luck for you. Live with it or GTFO. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 1088	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:50:00 - [45] - Quote maluble wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias. Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact. And the only scout with an offensive bonus. Minmatar scouts have it way better than they'd like to think. 2 damps puts you almost under everything, and as I doubt you play much PC you won't likely play against many with precision anyways. I have an alt just for dirty Scrubmatar suits and the scout is just as easy, if not more so than all the others. By far the most versatile, except maybe the Gallente. I mean, I can go 30-2 easily just running around with three Myofibils in a Minmatar scout without using my weapons. Amarrica! It's Not Safe to Swim.
mollerz 5077	Posted - 2014.08.24 02:33:00 - [46] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: maluble wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias. Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact. And the only scout with an offensive bonus. Minmatar scouts have it way better than they'd like to think. 2 damps puts you almost under everything, and as I doubt you play much PC you won't likely play against many with precision anyways. I have an alt just for dirty Scrubmatar suits and the scout is just as easy, if not more so than all the others. By far the most versatile, except maybe the Gallente. I mean, I can go 30-2 easily just running around with three Myofibils in a Minmatar scout without using my weapons. lololololol Dingle Dust Berry.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 253	Posted - 2014.08.24 02:36:00 - [47] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: ^ Some good points above, but you can't say that Dust is a crutch-free shooter. * Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle FTW * 100% Backpedal Speed * Insta-spin * Fine Rifle Hipfire These movement mechanics are no more or less questionable than drop-shots and dolphin-dives. remember with anything that has accurate hip fire you have a sharpshooter skill to lessen the spread so it becomes that much more accurate. In dust nothing works that great without a skill to boost it. In Call of Doody there are no skills just perks and weapon mods that break the game even more. If by wiggle, wiggle, wiggle its called strafing and it is a valid fps mechanic that has been around since the fps of pc years in games like quake and doom. when your getting shot no matter how fast you can back pedal you still getting shot when out in the open, insta-spin is in all fps games. so the things you described are in every single fps game that you can play. Yet the broken mechanics in Call of Doody are only in those games where they belong.
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 244	Posted - 2014.08.24 02:38:00 - [48] - Quote shaman oga wrote: The entire scan mechanic is broken. They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long. I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat. This statement is bordering on the most moronic on these forums I have seen. Lets do some basic maths just to show how. In the days of ballerina scanning a single skill active scanner would give a bigger range, area of effect and better precision then then two skills range amplification and precision. The area covered was four times as much using a single equipment slot and a single skill. Fully skilled in the passive eWar skills (not including the pitiful scout ones) you can get a radius of 24m before other skills and modules. A scanner with 100m range smashes that in range and area. I generally beats it in precision too. Too get the really high levels of precision or the high levels of range require investing in multiple modules lowering ones damage amplification/shield tank/armour tank/speed tank. So we have people complaining about eWar scouts with <200 eHP and in the next breath complaining about warrior scouts who drop eWar and speed in favour of tanking. I run four main outfits a basic uplink scout. Two ADV minjas one with a pair of kin cats, the other a pair of Dampeners. The fourth is a full eWar shotgun suit (typically brech). Most of these suits run from about 195-220eHP. I'd like to think I get some sort of bonus to scanning as my compact hives have more eHP. My take on 514: Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 806	Posted - 2014.08.24 04:56:00 - [49] - Quote maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. ** you, get the away from my knife bonus. Learn to pay attention and avoid being seen manually, Minja doesn't need any more ewar help now that omniscience has passed from Cal to Amarr and 2 Damps + Cloak or 3 Damps is enough to evade scans. Get good. Your whole corp is nothing but a bunch of proto-crutch scrubs, you don't see any success at all if you're not q-synced to protostomp newberries in a pub match. ** off. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
xAckie Ghost. Mob 447	Posted - 2014.08.24 06:52:00 - [50] - Quote Lulz. People thinking being invisible and able to passively scan the opposition constantly isn't broken. Active scanner was nerfed for the second half of this statement. Being cloaked and double damped on a gallante is broke and easily abused. My scout with its superior ewar, 2 equipment slots, and better pg, is still better than my assault.

taxi bastard uptown456 220	Posted - 2014.08.24 07:40:00 - [51] - Quote when i use a mini scout i carry the basic KN on all but 1 suit and tbh i have not tried it on any other suit. i find it so situation and even then 75% of the time i would be better off with a gun. yes i have tried messing about with it as a primary and no i was not great at it in that respect. being that currently it is my only proto suit i do regret choosing the mini scout because if i am honest yes i like the hacking bonus but the KN bonus is almost nothing in respect of my gameplay. i know many people would not like it to change but i would take any ewar stat as an alternative, hell give me that range which the caldari scouts complain so much about.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 123	Posted - 2014.08.24 07:53:00 - [52] - Quote OgTheEnigma wrote: Swap the hacking bonus for dampening, the Nova Knife bonus is what makes the suit really fun. Absolutely not. I want all of my dropsuit SP back if this happens.
Balamob SVER True Blood 38	Posted - 2014.08.24 07:55:00 - [53] - Quote CCP should remove all EWAR related bonuses, scouts already have low dB exMAG vet. Sver True Blood faction FTW.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 413	Posted - 2014.08.24 08:55:00 - [54] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: when i use a mini scout i carry the basic KN on all but 1 suit and tbh i have not tried it on any other suit. i find it so situation and even then 75% of the time i would be better off with a gun. yes i have tried messing about with it as a primary and no i was not great at it in that respect. being that currently it is my only proto suit i do regret choosing the mini scout because if i am honest yes i like the hacking bonus but the KN bonus is almost nothing in respect of my gameplay. i know many people would not like it to change but i would take any ewar stat as an alternative, hell give me that range which the caldari scouts complain so much about. Yeah... No reason to change the bonus just because a few people didn't know what they were skilling into or just didn't like the bonus. Especially when the current bonus is both useful and complements the suit's strengths. The Minmatar Scout is excellent how it is. It's fast, it has dampening potential, it's an excellent ninja hacker (even without CBs), and it is one of the best counters for a high HP heavy/logi combo. As for the knife bonus, it may be a bit redundant in pubs, but in PC it is what gives the Min an edge against armor stacked Sentinel Ak.0s with Min Logi support. When you're trying to take down a heavy with almost 2000 HP and over 100 HP/s reps, that bonus is the difference between a dead Sentinel+Logi and a dead Scout. When you're facing down the business ends of a Six Kin Burst and likely a Six Kin ACR, both in very competent hands, having to charge for the second swipe often isn't an option. As for dampening, it's in a good spot. 2 PDs and one KC isn't difficult to fit along with a proto cloak, easily bypassing the Amarr scout. It just isn't a very good option for facing other scouts, it has less HP and fewer fitting options, that doesn't mean that it is inferior, though. Yes, it does need to use all of it's lows to avoid the Focused Scanner on a Gallente Logi, but that isn't much of an issue on the fastest scout. If scanned, it can easily wait out the abysmally short 5s scan, after which it has plenty of time to recover the lost ground and accomplish the objective at hand. Currently, the Minmatar is my most used suit for just about everything other than anti-scout purposes (for which I generally use Gallente). It is also my preferred suit in PC in many circumstances. That is coming from someone proto in Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar Scouts.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2734	Posted - 2014.08.24 10:15:00 - [55] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Usual CoD hate post I've never played a single CoD series game, i don't like frenetic shooters. But i've always said that if some mechanic is good, it's not a sin to copy it. But i've played other games with scan mechanics, none of them let you permascan your enemy behind walls, there positional scanners (like TUGS or land heat seek cameras) which can be destroyed, there are mobile scanners like drones (easily destroyable), there are scan through hacking the enemy "tacnet", there has been also scan through scanning nades, manual spotting and for last on GRFS i had a scanner attached to my SR, but none of them was permanent. Active scanner was the easy way, now is still a easy way to scan (compared to other games) and is more or less balanced, if it wasn't for passive scan that is clearly OP, it would not be OP in 10-15 meters range, but my natural scan is 30 meter, in a game where 90% of my fights are inside 50 meters. Don't bother me with EvE because it's a space RPG (i've tried it and liked it), not a FPS. The only thing this game shares with EvE is possibly the lore, but game mechanics are and should be different. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1165	Posted - 2014.08.24 10:18:00 - [56] - Quote Minmatar Scout is my primary role.. the only complaint I have is the Codebreakers not being High-Slots.. Damn you CCP.. getting my hopes up for 3 Codebreakers/3Profile Damps .. QQ The Minmatar Scout is potentially a bad suit, low HP nad it gets worse if you enhance your speed as that can use up a lot of fitting space, also it's a shame that Gal Scouts 3 Kincatz/1Reg are faster runners But the Minmatar can win games with that hack bonus and with the Knives you can take down anything you see in battle so I accept the suit being squishy due to it's offensive bonuses.. it keeps it in line with the other slaves If you want E-War advantages, dedicate your suit to them... 3 dampeners and 1 Precision Enh make a decent Knifing fit and if someone could confirm I think at that stage I am blocking all but Gallogi Scanners, not too shabby If you want more Ewar advantages, then you need to stockpile your SP and get a new Scout suit... All 3 of the other scouts have better HP values than Matari and thats comparing basic C-I/G-I/A-I with Mk.0 lol The reason being they can afford HP modules, Matari Scouts with armour are an abonination and should be killed HP tanking the Min. Scout completely ruins the advantages of the suit, so try to avoid it... And to leave a note, Minja's are frequently going 20-0 and other crazy scores at the moment.. but How ?? It's pretty simple, Kincatz .. not many in pubs make use of scanning giving slayers the chance to dash in with the Minja and wreak havoc, usually escaping before anyone is aware what just happened to the 5 guys beside him... The issue with this is headache, CCP have made it a better pub-slayer option but in PC it does not perform to the crazy standard that we are seeing in pub battles.. which are not in any way competetive in the first place :/ Derp
Scar Scrilla 340	Posted - 2014.08.24 10:33:00 - [57] - Quote I stabbed a tank yesterady with my paper thin speed galScout - I admit though, it seems to have been the final blow :) "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 818	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:18:00 - [58] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sht. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts. That is the point, they are supposed to sacrifice. Aside from Gal Logi, who only need to fit an active scanner, the other suits are also making a sacrifice in order to maximize their precision. I have yet to fit codebreakers because I find with lvl 5 hacking, I can ninja hack just fine. If need be, I can always make a suit specifically geared toward hacking, and switch out after the fact. This is what the game is supposed to be about. Making sacrifices in order to specialize. I don't even run damps on my fits right now because most people don't max their precision. And if I need it, again, I can make a fit that will be dampened enough. I think things are working well for Minjas. We don't need to be OP in order to be relevant. I don't know if you know this but no other scout makes as many sacrifices as the minmatar scout. Amarr scout can use two precision mods without making a single sacrifice (Who the F shield tanks a Amarr scout?). What Amarr scout doesn't have in dampening it makes up in good precision. Caldari scout can dampen with only one dampener and have it's scan range over 60m with a range mod. The tank slots are left so you can tank 453 shields and be a badass. Gallante scout uses 1 dampener to be unscanable, and use two precision to compliment its 10% bonus and now the gallante scout is unscanable and has good precision. These scouts don't even have and fitting issues. The minmatar scout MUST use two dampeners to stay unscanable thus making it so you cannot fit your two most valuable modules (kincats and hacking mods). The PG usage of kincats forces you to use a complex precision enhancers which can't even detect a scout using an enhanced dampener. Just give it a cloak bonus to dampening. P.S. even if caldari scout did use it's two high slots for complex precision mods, It can still tank over 300 shields easy. Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5808	Posted - 2014.08.24 14:23:00 - [59] - Quote OgTheEnigma wrote: Swap the hacking bonus for dampening, the Nova Knife bonus is what makes the suit really fun. But I like my hacking bonus! pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:25:00 - [60] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sh*t. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts. That is the point, they are supposed to sacrifice. Aside from Gal Logi, who only need to fit an active scanner, the other suits are also making a sacrifice in order to maximize their precision. I have yet to fit codebreakers because I find with lvl 5 hacking, I can ninja hack just fine. If need be, I can always make a suit specifically geared toward hacking, and switch out after the fact. This is what the game is supposed to be about. Making sacrifices in order to specialize. I don't even run damps on my fits right now because most people don't max their precision. And if I need it, again, I can make a fit that will be dampened enough. I think things are working well for Minjas. We don't need to be OP in order to be relevant. I don't know if you know this but no other scout makes as many sacrifices as the minmatar scout. Amarr scout can use two precision mods without making a single sacrifice (Who the F shield tanks a Amarr scout?). What Amarr scout doesn't have in dampening it makes up in good precision. Caldari scout can dampen with only one dampener and have it's scan range over 60m with a range mod. The tank slots are left so you can tank 453 shields and be a badass. Gallante scout uses 1 dampener to be unscanable, and use two precision to compliment its 10% bonus and now the gallante scout is unscanable and has good precision. These scouts don't even have and fitting issues. The minmatar scout MUST use two dampeners to stay unscanable thus making it so you cannot fit your two most valuable modules (kincats and hacking mods). The PG usage of kincats forces you to use a complex precision enhancers which can't even detect a scout using an enhanced dampener. Just give it a cloak bonus to dampening. P.S. even if caldari scout did use it's two high slots for complex precision mods, It can still tank over 300 shields easy. How stupid are you? Do you even have max eWAR skills? With a max eWar skills and 1 proto dampner and a proto cloak, you get over all scans except a proto scanner. and who uses scanners since the 360 scans were removed. As a minja i run proto cloak and 1 proto dampener and i never get scanned. If anything the Min Scout is the most versitile with 3 highs and 3 lows.

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:38:00 - [61] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Minmatar Scout is my primary role.. the only complaint I have is the Codebreakers not being High-Slots.. Damn you CCP.. getting my hopes up for 3 Codebreakers/3Profile Damps .. QQ The Minmatar Scout is potentially a bad suit, low HP nad it gets worse if you enhance your speed as that can use up a lot of fitting space, also it's a shame that Gal Scouts 3 Kincatz/1Reg are faster runners But the Minmatar can win games with that hack bonus and with the Knives you can take down anything you see in battle so I accept the suit being squishy due to it's offensive bonuses.. it keeps it in line with the other slaves If you want E-War advantages, dedicate your suit to them... 3 dampeners and 1 Precision Enh make a decent Knifing fit and if someone could confirm I think at that stage I am blocking all but Gallogi Scanners, not too shabby If you want more Ewar advantages, then you need to stockpile your SP and get a new Scout suit... All 3 of the other scouts have better HP values than Matari and thats comparing basic C-I/G-I/A-I with Mk.0 lol The reason being they can afford HP modules, Matari Scouts with armour are an abonination and should be killed HP tanking the Min. Scout completely ruins the advantages of the suit, so try to avoid it... And to leave a note, Minja's are frequently going 20-0 and other crazy scores at the moment.. but How ?? It's pretty simple, Kincatz .. not many in pubs make use of scanning giving slayers the chance to dash in with the Minja and wreak havoc, usually escaping before anyone is aware what just happened to the 5 guys beside him... The issue with this is headache, CCP have made it a better pub-slayer option but in PC it does not perform to the crazy standard that we are seeing in pub battles.. which are not in any way competetive in the first place :/ You must the window licker on the short bus. Either that or be so new to dust that yuo don't know anything about it. Scouts are not ment to be hp tanks, only FoTM chasers that only have slayer skills even consider hp tanking on scouts. I have run min scout since they first came out and they are nothing that you have described. Min scout is the most versitile scout in the gamer 3 high and 3 low beast out 1 high and 4 lows any day of the week. Min scout do not need to use kincats or cardiac regulators because they have a base speed that if fast enough. The reason that minja's go 20-0 is because they play smart not like the tard i'm responding to. 1 proto dampener and 1 proto cloak and they can't be seen unless you run a proto scanner. I complex percision mod and your golden, combine that with uber damage to NK and 1 complex side arm damage mod and you can 1 shot the most tanked out sentinel suit. Toss in an r/e and you can go 30-0 in a heart beat.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3502	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:42:00 - [62] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: I don't know if you know this but no other scout makes as many sacrifices as the minmatar scout. Amarr scout can use two precision mods without making a single sacrifice (Who the F shield tanks a Amarr scout?). What Amarr scout doesn't have in dampening it makes up in good precision. Caldari scout can dampen with only one dampener and have it's scan range over 60m with a range mod. The tank slots are left so you can tank 453 shields and be a badass. Gallante scout uses 1 dampener to be unscanable, and use two precision to compliment its 10% bonus and now the gallante scout is unscanable and has good precision. These scouts don't even have and fitting issues. The minmatar scout MUST use two dampeners to stay unscanable thus making it so you cannot fit your two most valuable modules (kincats and hacking mods). The PG usage of kincats forces you to use a complex precision enhancers which can't even detect a scout using an enhanced dampener. Just give it a cloak bonus to dampening. P.S. even if caldari scout did use it's two high slots for complex precision mods, It can still tank over 300 shields easy. Good thing I carry a standard flux then. Not that it matters, because if they don't have the precision, it doesn't matter how much range they have, because they won't see me coming. I find that they can't tank enough to withstand my proto knives. I don't care that it takes more skill and effort to fit and run a minja. It keeps the FOTM out. Minmatar scouts, as it stands, are now not only the most fun suits to run in the game, but are viable, even in a PC setting. Lets not forget how hard it was from 1.0 to 1.8 to run Minjas, and how much Alpha changes hurt them. They are in a good place. Complainers are just being nit picky. You can always tell a Millford Minja
maluble Espi0nage 40	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:49:00 - [63] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. you are dumb you have 3 lows and 3 highs try some comp damps with ishukone cloak and try some damn precision enhancers No you dumb, my proto has 2 complex damp and 1 complex percision enhancer with proto cloak and I still get you have been scanned, scans and dampening mechanics are broke, And with ishy knives proto 5 no scout bonus you do 920 damage with charge stab if both knives connect, follow that up with a non charge and assuming both blades connect thats another 460= bye bye heavy. I am an original minja and im telling you the knife damage is not needed more ewar is. Let me know when you go 46 and 3 using only knives.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2014.08.24 16:51:00 - [64] - Quote maluble wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. you are dumb you have 3 lows and 3 highs try some comp damps with ishukone cloak and try some damn precision enhancers No you dumb, my proto has 2 complex damp and 1 complex percision enhancer with proto cloak and I still get you have been scanned, scans and dampening mechanics are broke, And with ishy knives proto 5 no scout bonus you do 920 damage with charge stab if both knives connect, follow that up with a non charge and assuming both blades connect thats another 460= bye bye heavy. I am an original minja and im telling you the knife damage is not needed more ewar is. Let me know when you go 46 and 3 using only knives. been there done that, and if believe having to 2 shot a heavy instead of 1 shot then you must ride the short bus. ayou must be using aurum or lp damps and percision because with my max ewar skills 1 proto damp and proto cloak get under everything except a proto active scanner and that is only .5db lower then my suit.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1166	Posted - 2014.08.24 17:26:00 - [65] - Quote @ 843-Vika I described how the suit can be used and is used by mercs quite often... My fits are all Scout fittings either Ewar/Biotics maybe some Regen or DMG, I vary them when bored As for slayer crap spewing out your mouth.. my AV Plasma Cannon or CR Nova Knives are both valid fits Keeping under the radar and capable of dealing a lot of damage fast, I use the speed to support where I'm needed HP tank?? If I have 300 ehp thats what I call a 'Tanked fitting' my beast Slayer fits max at 306Shield 87Armour.. I have ran Speed tanked Matari fits since the beta, Scouting since I had to hold charges with Nova Knives.. So I've been abusing the FoTm for about a year now.. I'm a super scrub Derp
DozersMouse XIII Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 875	Posted - 2014.08.24 17:50:00 - [66] - Quote maluble wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. you are dumb you have 3 lows and 3 highs try some comp damps with ishukone cloak and try some damn precision enhancers No you dumb, my proto has 2 complex damp and 1 complex percision enhancer with proto cloak and I still get you have been scanned, scans and dampening mechanics are broke, And with ishy knives proto 5 no scout bonus you do 920 damage with charge stab if both knives connect, follow that up with a non charge and assuming both blades connect thats another 460= bye bye heavy. I am an original minja and im telling you the knife damage is not needed more ewar is. Let me know when you go 46 and 3 using only knives. no you're dumb first you said you're getting scanned by other scouts, now you're saying it says "you've been scanned" on your screen. M.A.G. Platinum trophy holder
xAckie Ghost. Mob 447	Posted - 2014.08.24 17:58:00 - [67] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: How stupid are you? Do you even have max eWAR skills? With a max eWar skills and 1 proto dampner and a proto cloak, you get over all scans except a proto scanner. and who uses scanners since the 360 scans were removed. As a minja i run proto cloak and 1 proto dampener and i never get scanned. If anything the Min Scout is the most versitile with 3 highs and 3 lows. for someone who keeps hurling abuse at people, you are still able to be scanned by other scouts. Which is what people are talking about.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2014.08.24 18:28:00 - [68] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: @ 843-Vika I described how the suit can be used and is used by mercs quite often... My fits are all Scout fittings either Ewar/Biotics maybe some Regen or DMG, I vary them when bored As for slayer crap spewing out your mouth.. my AV Plasma Cannon or CR Nova Knives are both valid fits Keeping under the radar and capable of dealing a lot of damage fast, I use the speed to support where I'm needed HP tank?? If I have 300 ehp thats what I call a 'Tanked fitting' my beast Slayer fits max at 306Shield 87Armour.. I have ran Speed tanked Matari fits since the beta, Scouting since I had to hold charges with Nova Knives.. So I've been abusing the FoTm for about a year now.. I'm a super scrub Funny how only min suits in beta was the logi suit. im not some scrub who just join dust. only suits in beta was amarr heavy, gal scout, min logi, and cal assault. And as i said any scout who hp tanks is a dirty FoTM scrubs that don't understand how scouts are supposed to work and cry for nerfs and buffs on them. Go back to school and learn to read better either that or stay in school because you really need it
OZAROW Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1507	Posted - 2014.08.24 18:47:00 - [69] - Quote maluble wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias. Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact. Its that way because its always gonna keep the knife bonus, hacking however could be traded for something better since you can't really be fast and knife and be dampened or hack and be dampened because the way the suits set up I personally would rather a % to speed per level so my base suit would be 9.36 so it has a built in kinetic then I could make all kinds of dope fits. At least its more useable than 1. 3-1.8 SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 254	Posted - 2014.08.24 19:00:00 - [70] - Quote OZAROW wrote: maluble wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias. Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact. Its that way because its always gonna keep the knife bonus, hacking however could be traded for something better since you can't really be fast and knife and be dampened or hack and be dampened because the way the suits set up I personally would rather a % to speed per level so my base suit would be 9.36 so it has a built in kinetic then I could make all kinds of dope fits. At least its more useable than 1. 3-1.8 Because min scout don't need ewar bonus, 3 high and 3 low means no need for ewar bonus if you have max ewar skills.

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3505	Posted - 2014.08.24 19:24:00 - [71] - Quote maluble wrote: No you dumb, my proto has 2 complex damp and 1 complex percision enhancer with proto cloak and I still get you have been scanned, scans and dampening mechanics are broke, And with ishy knives proto 5 no scout bonus you do 920 damage with charge stab if both knives connect, follow that up with a non charge and assuming both blades connect thats another 460= bye bye heavy. I am an original minja and im telling you the knife damage is not needed more ewar is. Let me know when you go 46 and 3 using only knives. If you aren't cloaked when you are scanned, then you will show up for Focused Gal Logi. If you ARE cloaked when scanned, you need to find a way to document this or record the time etc, because this is a glitch. Experiencing a glitch is something completely different than insufficient EWAR. You can always tell a Millford Minja
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 256	Posted - 2014.08.24 20:12:00 - [72] - Quote I have been a minja scout since they were introduced in uprising and they were always the most fun to use. I can use extreme speed and run around hacking while shanking people or i can use ewar top hide from everything and still shank and hack, or i can hp tank while shank and hack. The fact that i can run up to a person guarding an objective unseen and stab them to death then turbo hack something is the greatest thing in dust. Yes i say turbo hack since i have proto minja with level 5 hacking. My point is that min scouts are perfect the way they are, they stand out among the scouts by saying WE DON'T NEED EWAR BONUS BECAUSE WE ARE THE MOST VERSITILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1168	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:22:00 - [73] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: I have been a minja scout since they were introduced in uprising and they were always the most fun to use. I can use extreme speed and run around hacking while shanking people or i can use ewar top hide from everything and still shank and hack, or i can hp tank while shank and hack. The fact that i can run up to a person guarding an objective unseen and stab them to death then turbo hack something is the greatest thing in dust. Yes i say turbo hack since i have proto minja with level 5 hacking. My point is that min scouts are perfect the way they are, they stand out among the scouts by saying WE DON'T NEED EWAR BONUS BECAUSE WE ARE THE MOST VERSITILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you weren't as narrow minded and ignorant i'd bother reasoning with you.... For a guy criticizing intelligence you read like a moron.. I am agreeing the suit is fine and can Ewar if dedicated to do so But feel free to keep attacking other opinions because I'm sure your're one of the Best Scouts in game Innapropriate Irrelevence... Welocome to the Dust Forum, hang around to see why everyone else left :/
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 414	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:21:00 - [74] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: I don't know if you know this but no other scout makes as many sacrifices as the minmatar scout. Amarr scout can use two precision mods without making a single sacrifice (Who the F shield tanks a Amarr scout?). What Amarr scout doesn't have in dampening it makes up in good precision. Caldari scout can dampen with only one dampener and have it's scan range over 60m with a range mod. The tank slots are left so you can tank 453 shields and be a badass. Gallante scout uses 1 dampener to be unscanable, and use two precision to compliment its 10% bonus and now the gallante scout is unscanable and has good precision. These scouts don't even have and fitting issues. The minmatar scout MUST use two dampeners to stay unscanable thus making it so you cannot fit your two most valuable modules (kincats and hacking mods). The PG usage of kincats forces you to use a complex precision enhancers which can't even detect a scout using an enhanced dampener. Just give it a cloak bonus to dampening. P.S. even if caldari scout did use it's two high slots for complex precision mods, It can still tank over 300 shields easy. These "extra sacrifices" that the minmatar scout makes are only there because you either perceive them to be, or only because they are convenient to your argument. The minmatar scout has a unique combination of speed, hacking, dampening, stamina, and damage potential that cannot even be partially replicated by another scout without some major shortcomings in other key areas. The minmatar may not have quite the level of flexibility of the other scouts (which in itself is arguable), but that is not the same thing as having to make greater sacrifices. maluble wrote: No you dumb, my proto has 2 complex damp and 1 complex percision enhancer with proto cloak and I still get you have been scanned, scans and dampening mechanics are broke, And with ishy knives proto 5 no scout bonus you do 920 damage with charge stab if both knives connect, follow that up with a non charge and assuming both blades connect thats another 460= bye bye heavy. I am an original minja and im telling you the knife damage is not needed more ewar is. Let me know when you go 46 and 3 using only knives. Yes, because heavies totally can't have MUCH more than 1380HP. Also, I guess we are ignoring logis with >100HP/s rep tools. EDIT: Forgot a point, check a scanning chart. The only thing that can scan a Min Scout w/ 2x CPX Damps and a Ish Cloak is a Gal Logi with a 20dB base scanner. 5s of visibility isn't too bad when you're running at just short of 10m/s.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 448	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:32:00 - [75] - Quote "It doesnt take skill to use..." is such a stupid sentence to use. You using two thumbs bro. You not even lifting or sprinting Saying what's on people's minds
DAAAA BEAST BEAST EMPIRE 6	Posted - 2014.08.25 01:54:00 - [76] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie? Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses. As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless. Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group. Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus. I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times... Lol maluble isn't getting knifed. He is the one knifing people. Imo probably on of the best nova knifers in the game. Don't engage him like a noob cos you'll get shited on. I played with and against him. Sniper Hunting and Noobs Trolling are my specialities. YT: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCldBb96c0OpYqYdCfEg5
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3519	Posted - 2014.08.25 01:59:00 - [77] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie? Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses. As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless. Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group. Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus. I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times... Lol maluble isn't getting knifed. He is the one knifing people. Imo probably on of the best nova knifers in the game. Don't engage him like a noob cos you'll get shited on. I played with and against him. Yeah... I know of the best knifers in the game. Mollerz and Maken Tosh are two of them. Neither has heard of this guy. And if you consider pointing out exactly where to find the EWAR scanning numbers then pointing out exactly how his numbers are flawed, "engaging him like a noob," you need to re calibrate your definition of noob. You can always tell a Millford Minja
Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 822	Posted - 2014.08.25 02:22:00 - [78] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sht. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts. That is the point, they are supposed to sacrifice. Aside from Gal Logi, who only need to fit an active scanner, the other suits are also making a sacrifice in order to maximize their precision. I have yet to fit codebreakers because I find with lvl 5 hacking, I can ninja hack just fine. If need be, I can always make a suit specifically geared toward hacking, and switch out after the fact. This is what the game is supposed to be about. Making sacrifices in order to specialize. I don't even run damps on my fits right now because most people don't max their precision. And if I need it, again, I can make a fit that will be dampened enough. I think things are working well for Minjas. We don't need to be OP in order to be relevant. I don't know if you know this but no other scout makes as many sacrifices as the minmatar scout. Amarr scout can use two precision mods without making a single sacrifice (Who the F shield tanks a Amarr scout?). What Amarr scout doesn't have in dampening it makes up in good precision. Caldari scout can dampen with only one dampener and have it's scan range over 60m with a range mod. The tank slots are left so you can tank 453 shields and be a badass. Gallante scout uses 1 dampener to be unscanable, and use two precision to compliment its 10% bonus and now the gallante scout is unscanable and has good precision. These scouts don't even have and fitting issues. The minmatar scout MUST use two dampeners to stay unscanable thus making it so you cannot fit your two most valuable modules (kincats and hacking mods). The PG usage of kincats forces you to use a complex precision enhancers which can't even detect a scout using an enhanced dampener. Just give it a cloak bonus to dampening. P.S. even if caldari scout did use it's two high slots for complex precision mods, It can still tank over 300 shields easy. How stupid are you? Do you even have max eWAR skills? With a max eWar skills and 1 proto dampner and a proto cloak, you get over all scans except a proto scanner. and who uses scanners since the 360 scans were removed. As a minja i run proto cloak and 1 proto dampener and i never get scanned. If anything the Min Scout is the most versitile with 3 highs and 3 lows. Amarr scout with to complex precision can scan you easy you idiot. With maxed skills a complex dampner and a basic (15% better than proto cloak) your DB is 20.55 and amarr scout with two precision mods is under 19. Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2170	Posted - 2014.08.25 02:24:00 - [79] - Quote DAAAA BEAST wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie? Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses. As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless. Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group. Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus. I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times... Lol maluble isn't getting knifed. He is the one knifing people. Imo probably on of the best nova knifers in the game. Don't engage him like a noob cos you'll get shited on. I played with and against him. Obviously a maluble alt "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Aria Gomes The New Age Outlaws 441	Posted - 2014.08.26 17:13:00 - [80] - Quote I don't use damps most of the time. But if our knife bonus was to be dropped I'd be furious. Most of the time I run just kincats or a kin/code breaker or maybe a com. damp. I still do just fine against other scouts with a cloak or damps. If you're fast enough being damped shouldn't matter. As well as listning to your surroundings. If I hear a cloak drop or someone running, I look around quickly or attempt to run off. Maybe you should change your playstyle or pick a different scout. Min isn't about dampening. It's about running around like a fool, swinging knives and taking off just as fast.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9164	Posted - 2014.08.26 18:00:00 - [81] - Quote maluble wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: maluble wrote: The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed. Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. you are dumb you have 3 lows and 3 highs try some comp damps with ishukone cloak and try some damn precision enhancers No you dumb, my proto has 2 complex damp and 1 complex percision enhancer with proto cloak and I still get you have been scanned, scans and dampening mechanics are broke, And with ishy knives proto 5 no scout bonus you do 920 damage with charge stab if both knives connect, follow that up with a non charge and assuming both blades connect thats another 460= bye bye heavy. I am an original minja and im telling you the knife damage is not needed more ewar is. Let me know when you go 46 and 3 using only knives. And I'm telling you that more EWAR is not really needed for the Minmatar Scout. The scout is ok where it's at. Also, it sounds to me like you're being scanned by someone who is using the infamous Duvolle Focused Scanner (is that thing still around?) which was known to scan down all scouts except those who specialize in dampening. But considering that the field of vision for the Duvolle scanner is somewhat narrow and that it's now restricted to just taking a snapshot (a major, and overdue, nerf to the Scannerinas), it seems to me you were unlucky enough to be within the direction and range of this particular scanner. Now I don't know what changes they did to the scanner at this point since I don't use scanners at all, if they made any other changes at all besides the nerf to Scannerinas, but again you just had bad luck. I have been running with nothing more than 1x Complex Profile Dampener, 1x AN-18 Cloak Field, 2x Complex Kinetic Catalyzers, and all Complex Sidearm Damage Mods on the rest of the slots with just an Ishy Knife. I have yet to be scanned by any active scanner and I can avoid most scouts as long as I stick to hiding rather than just running around like a chicken with its head cut off. Of course, if I spot an Amarr or maybe a Gal scout, I run away. Remember, I'm picking my battles here. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9164	Posted - 2014.08.26 18:09:00 - [82] - Quote Aria Gomes wrote: I don't use damps most of the time. But if our knife bonus was to be dropped I'd be furious. Most of the time I run just kincats or a kin/code breaker or maybe a com. damp. I still do just fine against other scouts with a cloak or damps. If you're fast enough being damped shouldn't matter. As well as listning to your surroundings. If I hear a cloak drop or someone running, I look around quickly or attempt to run off. Maybe you should change your playstyle or pick a different scout. Min isn't about dampening. It's about running around like a fool, swinging knives and taking off just as fast. Precisely! Exactly my point. Again, the Minscout is the fastest suit in the game. Nothing can compete with it in terms of speed. A smart scout uses that to their advantage rather than waste slots with too many profile damps on a suit not meant for profile dampening. If a scout sees you, run away. They can't catch up to you because you're sprinting like Jessie Owens. At 10m/s, you're already sprinting a whole football field in 10 seconds flat. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 76	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:25:00 - [83] - Quote Geeeeeez... I don't check on this thread for a few days and it decends into name-calling and ****-slinging! Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8... Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1384	Posted - 2014.08.26 21:31:00 - [84] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: At 10m/s, you're already sprinting a whole football field in 10 seconds flat. It's actually a bit faster than that (1m>1yard).
OZAROW Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1510	Posted - 2014.08.26 22:21:00 - [85] - Quote Lol I recently skilled into minmatar assault, and I've been running 2 or 3 kinetic and knives going 10.3+ with 700 hp with rep hives and damage mods or shield energizers just four laughs because thats minmatar and thats the beauty of the slot layout and stamina re-úen DAMAGE AND SPEED! THAT'S MINMATAR! SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9169	Posted - 2014.08.27 01:51:00 - [86] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Lol I recently skilled into minmatar assault, and I've been running 2 or 3 kinetic and knives going 10.3+ with 700 hp with rep hives and damage mods or shield energizers just four laughs because thats minmatar and thats the beauty of the slot layout and stamina re-úen DAMAGE AND SPEED! THAT'S MINMATAR! Almost reminds me of the Jaguar or Wolf in Eve Online. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.


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