Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold.

Nah, I've seen him in-game and he runs an ADV MinScout with Ishukone NKs.

He's pretty good too.

We don't need more dampening. For details, see below.

And speak for yourself about knifing. That is my favorite minja bonus, and a lot of others too. And since charlie, I have seen people skilling into them BECAUSE of the knife bonus, not hacking.

If you took the knifing bonus, Minjas would become bland. Gallente, with their superior low slot numbers, would be able to be more flexible and out minja a minja.


YOU are the wrong one.

Here is the new scout EWAR scanning models.

As you can see on the sheet, the Amarr scout scans at 17.8, which due to rounding, makes it 18 dB.

You can also see that with 3 complex damps, the minmatar get down to 15.9 dB, which rounds to 16 dB, and easily beats the Amarr scans.

Also, with 2 complex damps, you would be at 18.5, and with a proto cloak, you would get down to 16.65 dB, rounding to 17 dB. Again beating the Amarr scout.

Lastly, you will see that the Gal Logi with a Focused Scanner can scan at 15 dB. With 3 complex damps, and a proto cloak, a Minja can get down to 14.3 dB, rounded down to 14 dB, and beat those scans.

tl;dr Minjas are capable of beating all scans!

Please do your research and trust when lifelong Minjas are telling you that more dampening isn't necessary.

by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sh*t. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts.

The entire scan mechanic is broken.

They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long.

I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat.

by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sh*t. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts.

Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact.

Take the hack bonus, take the speed, just don't take my knives! D:

They can keep their damned bonuses. All I want are my knives.

The entire scan mechanic is broken.

They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long.

I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat.

The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.

Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5.

The entire scan mechanic is broken.

They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long.

I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat.

Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact.

And the only scout with an offensive bonus. Minmatar scouts have it way better than they'd like to think.

2 damps puts you almost under everything, and as I doubt you play much PC you won't likely play against many with precision anyways. I have an alt just for dirty Scrubmatar suits and the scout is just as easy, if not more so than all the others. By far the most versatile, except maybe the Gallente.

I mean, I can go 30-2 easily just running around with three Myofibils in a Minmatar scout without using my weapons.

^ Some good points above, but you can't say that Dust is a crutch-free shooter.

* Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle FTW
* 100% Backpedal Speed
* Insta-spin
* Fine Rifle Hipfire

These movement mechanics are no more or less questionable than drop-shots and dolphin-dives.

The entire scan mechanic is broken.

They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long.

I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat.

The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.

Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5.

Swap the hacking bonus for dampening, the Nova Knife bonus is what makes the suit really fun.

when i use a mini scout i carry the basic KN on all but 1 suit and tbh i have not tried it on any other suit.

i find it so situation and even then 75% of the time i would be better off with a gun. yes i have tried messing about with it as a primary and no i was not great at it in that respect. being that currently it is my only proto suit i do regret choosing the mini scout because if i am honest yes i like the hacking bonus but the KN bonus is almost nothing in respect of my gameplay.

i know many people would not like it to change but i would take any ewar stat as an alternative, hell give me that range which the caldari scouts complain so much about.

Usual CoD hate post

That is the point, they are supposed to sacrifice.

Aside from Gal Logi, who only need to fit an active scanner, the other suits are also making a sacrifice in order to maximize their precision.

I have yet to fit codebreakers because I find with lvl 5 hacking, I can ninja hack just fine. If need be, I can always make a suit specifically geared toward hacking, and switch out after the fact.

This is what the game is supposed to be about. Making sacrifices in order to specialize.

I don't even run damps on my fits right now because most people don't max their precision.

And if I need it, again, I can make a fit that will be dampened enough.

I think things are working well for Minjas. We don't need to be OP in order to be relevant.

Swap the hacking bonus for dampening, the Nova Knife bonus is what makes the suit really fun.

I don't know if you know this but no other scout makes as many sacrifices as the minmatar scout. Amarr scout can use two precision mods without making a single sacrifice (Who the F shield tanks a Amarr scout?). What Amarr scout doesn't have in dampening it makes up in good precision. Caldari scout can dampen with only one dampener and have it's scan range over 60m with a range mod. The tank slots are left so you can tank 453 shields and be a badass. Gallante scout uses 1 dampener to be unscanable, and use two precision to compliment its 10% bonus and now the gallante scout is unscanable and has good precision. These scouts don't even have and fitting issues.

The minmatar scout MUST use two dampeners to stay unscanable thus making it so you cannot fit your two most valuable modules (kincats and hacking mods). The PG usage of kincats forces you to use a complex precision enhancers which can't even detect a scout using an enhanced dampener.

Just give it a cloak bonus to dampening.

P.S. even if caldari scout did use it's two high slots for complex precision mods, It can still tank over 300 shields easy.