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One Eyed King
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:08:00 -
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Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie?
Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses.
As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless.
Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group.
Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus.
I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times...
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:12:00 -
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maluble wrote:Beastlina wrote:maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed. I want to be invisible to scouts im not to concerned with heavys or mediums, and hack speed is what makes the min scout not knive bonus. Ishukons lvl 5 prof will one charge just about any medium suit or none proto heavy. We need the dampening to make knives more effective. We don't need more dampening. For details, see below.
And speak for yourself about knifing. That is my favorite minja bonus, and a lot of others too. And since charlie, I have seen people skilling into them BECAUSE of the knife bonus, not hacking.
If you took the knifing bonus, Minjas would become bland. Gallente, with their superior low slot numbers, would be able to be more flexible and out minja a minja.
maluble wrote: Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold.
YOU are the wrong one.
Here is the new scout EWAR scanning models.
As you can see on the sheet, the Amarr scout scans at 17.8, which due to rounding, makes it 18 dB.
You can also see that with 3 complex damps, the minmatar get down to 15.9 dB, which rounds to 16 dB, and easily beat s the Amarr scans.
Also, with 2 complex damps, you would be at 18.5, and with a proto cloak, you would get down to 16.65 dB, rounding to 17 dB. Again beating the Amarr scout.
Lastly, you will see that the Gal Logi with a Focused Scanner can scan at 15 dB. With 3 complex damps, and a proto cloak, a Minja can get down to 14.3 dB, rounded down to 14 dB, and beat those scans.
tl;dr Minjas are capable of beating all scans!
Please do your research and trust when lifelong Minjas are telling you that more dampening isn't necessary.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:30:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:The entire scan mechanic is broken.
They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long.
I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat. Agreed.
Unfortunately that will be a Legion thing
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.23 21:29:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
by beating all scans, they just gimped their own suit to sh*t. Now they can't fit hacking mods or kincats. .34 m/s higher than the normal scout is absolutely nothing. The worst part of the minmatar scout is that it has no ewar bonus whatsoever. It doesn't have enough PG at all. To fit two complex kin cats, you got to use a adv CR and then you have to use precision enhancer instead of shield extender. The PE does close to nothing when versing actual other proto scouts.
That is the point, they are supposed to sacrifice.
Aside from Gal Logi, who only need to fit an active scanner, the other suits are also making a sacrifice in order to maximize their precision.
I have yet to fit codebreakers because I find with lvl 5 hacking, I can ninja hack just fine. If need be, I can always make a suit specifically geared toward hacking, and switch out after the fact.
This is what the game is supposed to be about. Making sacrifices in order to specialize.
I don't even run damps on my fits right now because most people don't max their precision.
And if I need it, again, I can make a fit that will be dampened enough.
I think things are working well for Minjas. We don't need to be OP in order to be relevant.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:42:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
I don't know if you know this but no other scout makes as many sacrifices as the minmatar scout. Amarr scout can use two precision mods without making a single sacrifice (Who the F shield tanks a Amarr scout?). What Amarr scout doesn't have in dampening it makes up in good precision. Caldari scout can dampen with only one dampener and have it's scan range over 60m with a range mod. The tank slots are left so you can tank 453 shields and be a badass. Gallante scout uses 1 dampener to be unscanable, and use two precision to compliment its 10% bonus and now the gallante scout is unscanable and has good precision. These scouts don't even have and fitting issues.
The minmatar scout MUST use two dampeners to stay unscanable thus making it so you cannot fit your two most valuable modules (kincats and hacking mods). The PG usage of kincats forces you to use a complex precision enhancers which can't even detect a scout using an enhanced dampener.
Just give it a cloak bonus to dampening.
P.S. even if caldari scout did use it's two high slots for complex precision mods, It can still tank over 300 shields easy.
Good thing I carry a standard flux then.
Not that it matters, because if they don't have the precision, it doesn't matter how much range they have, because they won't see me coming.
I find that they can't tank enough to withstand my proto knives.
I don't care that it takes more skill and effort to fit and run a minja. It keeps the FOTM out.
Minmatar scouts, as it stands, are now not only the most fun suits to run in the game, but are viable, even in a PC setting.
Lets not forget how hard it was from 1.0 to 1.8 to run Minjas, and how much Alpha changes hurt them.
They are in a good place. Complainers are just being nit picky.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.24 19:24:00 -
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maluble wrote: No you dumb, my proto has 2 complex damp and 1 complex percision enhancer with proto cloak and I still get you have been scanned, scans and dampening mechanics are broke, And with ishy knives proto 5 no scout bonus you do 920 damage with charge stab if both knives connect, follow that up with a non charge and assuming both blades connect thats another 460= bye bye heavy. I am an original minja and im telling you the knife damage is not needed more ewar is. Let me know when you go 46 and 3 using only knives.
If you aren't cloaked when you are scanned, then you will show up for Focused Gal Logi.
If you ARE cloaked when scanned, you need to find a way to document this or record the time etc, because this is a glitch.
Experiencing a glitch is something completely different than insufficient EWAR.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.25 01:59:00 -
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DAAAA BEAST wrote:One Eyed King wrote:Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie?
Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses.
As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless.
Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group.
Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus.
I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times... Lol maluble isn't getting knifed. He is the one knifing people. Imo probably on of the best nova knifers in the game. Don't engage him like a noob cos you'll get shited on. I played with and against him. Yeah...
I know of the best knifers in the game. Mollerz and Maken Tosh are two of them. Neither has heard of this guy.
And if you consider pointing out exactly where to find the EWAR scanning numbers then pointing out exactly how his numbers are flawed, "engaging him like a noob," you need to re calibrate your definition of noob.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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