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maluble
Espi0nage
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:01:00 -
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The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:06:00 -
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I dislike sharing my bonus, with the filthy Caldari...
... but I, also, miss my scan range.
Man, I miss my OP Gallente Scout.
EDIT: Don't touch their knife bonus! |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:33:00 -
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FU, leave the bonuses alone
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:34:00 -
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They are damn close to balance.
I only wish I could spec out of my cal scout and into the min scout.
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OgTheEnigma
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:36:00 -
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Swap the hacking bonus for dampening, the Nova Knife bonus is what makes the suit really fun. |
Zindorak
1.U.P
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:37:00 -
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maluble wrote:The only scout that takes doesn't take skill to use is minmatar and caldari the other two can either be seen from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Have minmatar keep nova knife damage; I can't cut brick tanked heavys with ishys and prof 5.
Fixed it for ya
Pokemon master
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2898
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:37:00 -
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You're gonna have a lot of people stabbing you in back and face for suggesting taking away the knife bonus... |
Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:46:00 -
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maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5.
Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:08:00 -
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Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie?
Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses.
As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless.
Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group.
Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus.
I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times...
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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The Eristic
Dust 90210
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:57:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:I dislike sharing my bonus, with the filthy Caldari...
Even though the Gal can get lower due to its slot layout, it still feels kinda wrong that the Cal's smaller/secondary bonus is the same as the Gal's larger/primary.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
170
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:59:00 -
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Would you rather we get 25% faster reload speed, 15% more damage output, 25% reduction to equipment cpu/pg, and 25% resistance to damage of blaster/projectile/laser/rail?
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:04:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:Would you rather we get 25% faster reload speed, 15% more damage output, 25% reduction to equipment cpu/pg, and 25% resistance to damage of blaster/projectile/laser/rail?
All 4 Scouts should have all of those bonuses
I blame her for nova knife kills on tanks
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:15:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times...
Nah, I've seen him in-game and he runs an ADV MinScout with Ishukone NKs.
He's pretty good too.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11529
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:16:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Would you rather we get 25% faster reload speed, 15% more damage output, 25% reduction to equipment cpu/pg, and 25% resistance to damage of blaster/projectile/laser/rail? All 4 Scouts should have all of those bonuses
Scout Dropsuits should not have a bonus to Damage Resistance.
DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:27:00 -
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maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5.
What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias.
Amarrica!
It's Not Safe to Swim.
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aaaasdff ertgfdd
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:27:00 -
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maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5.
If what you said were true then it might be unbalanced, but anyone can hide from Amarr if they so choose.
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maluble
Espi0nage
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:44:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed.
I want to be invisible to scouts im not to concerned with heavys or mediums, and hack speed is what makes the min scout not knive bonus. Ishukons lvl 5 prof will one charge just about any medium suit or none proto heavy. We need the dampening to make knives more effective. |
maluble
Espi0nage
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:48:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. What's that? I can't hear you over that roaring sound of bias.
Bias? min scout is only 1 without ewar bonus. How is that bias? Its stating a fact. |
maluble
Espi0nage
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:50:00 -
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aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote:maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. If what you said were true then it might be unbalanced, but anyone can hide from Amarr if they so choose.
Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold. |
medomai grey
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:54:00 -
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The Minmatar scout drop-suit can be incredibly powerful with the right gameplay style and fitting.
However, as I do not wish to face that all over again, I'm not telling. :P
What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
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maluble
Espi0nage
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:54:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Were you not around between 1.8 and Charlie?
Minmatar and Amarr were completely negated by Caldari and Gallente bonuses.
As things stand, Amarr have a role, but aren't OP, Caldari are no longer OP, Gallente still have an advantage, but it is not so great that the other scouts are useless.
Scouts are more balanced than they have ever been as a group.
Check your math buddy u need 3 complex damps with proto cloak and your only undetected while cloaked so as soon as u uncloak you can be seen by fully spected ammars and I think a fully spected gal logi with duvolle focused AS.
Besides, Minmatar can beat scans with 2 damps and a proto cloak, so we don't need a dampening bonus.
I think you are just sneakily against Minjas and have been knifed too many times...
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:54:00 -
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Take the hack bonus, take the speed, just don't take my knives! D:
They can keep their damned bonuses. All I want are my knives.
Nova Knives are best sidearm.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4432
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:58:00 -
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maluble wrote:...are unbalenced
Please. Tell us more.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:07:00 -
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I think the min scout bonuses are purrrrrrrrrfect as they are.
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
252
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:09:00 -
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Scouts are fine as they are, they all now have strengths and weakness. They don't need to be changed at all.
As for Min scout and NK bonus, it is perfect along with hacking. Without the min scout i wouldn't be able shank a fatty in 1-2 shots. Always 1 shot if i triple stack 8% side arm damage mods. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:12:00 -
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maluble wrote:Beastlina wrote:maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5. Can't all the scouts be invisible to everyone with enough dampening mods now? In the ewar department they are lacking naturally but they have that a useful hacking bonus, are the fastest suit, and are the only suit that gets a damage bonus to a weapon. I don't run min scout though so i can't speak from experience and you may be right. Seems like they are the truest assassin scout since they can take out even proto sentinels quickly with everything maxed. I want to be invisible to scouts im not to concerned with heavys or mediums, and hack speed is what makes the min scout not knive bonus. Ishukons lvl 5 prof will one charge just about any medium suit or none proto heavy. We need the dampening to make knives more effective.
We don't need more dampening. For details, see below.
And speak for yourself about knifing. That is my favorite minja bonus, and a lot of others too. And since charlie, I have seen people skilling into them BECAUSE of the knife bonus, not hacking.
If you took the knifing bonus, Minjas would become bland. Gallente, with their superior low slot numbers, would be able to be more flexible and out minja a minja.
maluble wrote:
Wrong if I have three complex dampeners and proto cloak a full speced ammar scout with complex enhancers can still see me, Im like .5 away from falling under there scan threshhold.
YOU are the wrong one.
Here is the new scout EWAR scanning models.
As you can see on the sheet, the Amarr scout scans at 17.8, which due to rounding, makes it 18 dB.
You can also see that with 3 complex damps, the minmatar get down to 15.9 dB, which rounds to 16 dB, and easily beat s the Amarr scans.
Also, with 2 complex damps, you would be at 18.5, and with a proto cloak, you would get down to 16.65 dB, rounding to 17 dB. Again beating the Amarr scout.
Lastly, you will see that the Gal Logi with a Focused Scanner can scan at 15 dB. With 3 complex damps, and a proto cloak, a Minja can get down to 14.3 dB, rounded down to 14 dB, and beat those scans.
tl;dr Minjas are capable of beating all scans!
Please do your research and trust when lifelong Minjas are telling you that more dampening isn't necessary.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:14:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
Please do your research ...
That sounds alot like effort, King.
You're being unreasonable :p
Shoot scout with yes.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:26:00 -
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The entire scan mechanic is broken.
They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long.
I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat.
PSN: ogamega
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:30:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:The entire scan mechanic is broken.
They call it scan, but it's a wallhack, in FPS it's a cheat or in other games it's a special bonus achieved for certain actions (kill streak, stun enemy, hack enemy tacnet) but it's always something that doesn't last for long.
I would accept the active scanner nerf, if only they find a way to balance passive permascan, which is actually better than the old active scan, but at the current state of things the whole scan is a legal in game cheat.
Agreed.
Unfortunately that will be a Legion thing 
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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DozersMouse XIII
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
873
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:33:00 -
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maluble wrote:The only scout that takes skill to use is minmatar the other three can either hide from everyone on radar or see everyone around them, this is severely flawed.
Give minmatar dampening instead of nova knife damage; I cut heavys just fine with ishys and prof 5.
you are dumb
you have 3 lows and 3 highs
try some comp damps with ishukone cloak and try some damn precision enhancers
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