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Gaurdian Satyr
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:20:00 -
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ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
aaaaaaaaand im dead from more BS again
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
839
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:25:00 -
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2500/4 (old squad size) = 625 x 6 (new squad size) = 3750. 3750 should have been the new orbital cost when the squad limit got raised to 6. We even told CCP this -- but once again CCP doesnt listen to the community until its too late. We dont know what goes on in-game even though we play it every week/day...
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
363
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:26:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Jesus, it's almost like they want you to be working in a team or something.... |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2213
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:27:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Just ran with a squad that got two OBs.
Seems to be working fine. |
Bobs urges
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
25
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:28:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns Jesus, it's almost like they want you to be working in a team or something....
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Coleman Gray
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1092
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:31:00 -
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Considering obitals now hit inside buildings...yeah 5k is fine, not even 1k wp is needed by each memeber. You get squad order bonus as well. Most players in an dom or skirm can reach at least that without a 20% buff to their WP gain.
If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:35:00 -
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not sure why orbitals are even in the game, at least at 5k they aren't as scrubby |
TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5225
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:39:00 -
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I wouldn't mind going back to dropping around 6 ish+ OBS a match.
Sounds good, totally reasonable.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Denchlad 7
Dead Man's Game
464
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Posted - 2014.08.18 20:41:00 -
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Copying my post from other thread.
Denchlad 7 wrote:5000WP is fine. Myself and a friend got a 2 man orbital in Ambush. Its not that hard to get for a well oiled squad.Yes, I have noticed a lot more one sided battles (and redlines) but realistically it promotes full squads, teamwork and better abilities. You want to win? Work for it. An OB is not an insta win button. You should only get it if you put the effort into your squad and you and your squad members earn it.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=172146 Have a read.
I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. 3 to go.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
52
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:03:00 -
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I do think 5000 is too much. Sorry, but not everyone is a pro. Orbital Strikes should be accessible to ordinary players, providing they work hard for it. You think squads of randoms formed in the squad finder are going to be hitting 5000wp per match? Not to mention that this new requirement screws over smaller squads. I don't advocate returning the OB requirement back to 2500wp though. I think 4000 would be a good number. This still encourages teamwork and squadding, and it would be within the grasp of the ordinary player.
Again, sorry, but we aren't all pros.
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Gentlemen's.Club
5023
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:35:00 -
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I've got over 4k war points in my advice logi suit before in a solo squad. 5k is really not that much.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
2183
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:45:00 -
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Prefer 5000 or 6000 wp for an orbital. I've seen two man squads that have gotten three orbitals before and that shouldn't happen ever, imo.
With a full squad of pro killers 5000 isn't that much. Their biggest problem if they're stomping that hard will prolly be finding targets as peeps quit the match or retire to the passive-sp incentivized redline/MCC.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2095
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:46:00 -
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My days of easy solo OBs are now over 
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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P14GU3
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
841
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Posted - 2014.08.18 23:59:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I've got over 4k war points in my advice logi suit before in a solo squad. 5k is really not that much.
Ive gotten over 5k in an adv logi, Shayz has done over 7k in a proto. This doesnt mean it happens all the time. If I'm having the best game of my dust career, why shouldn't I give my squad an orbital? Even good logis don't break 2k every game. My avg is about 1500 or so and Im usually near the top of the board.
I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
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Sum1ne Else
Fatal Absolution
1355
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:07:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns Just ran with a squad that got two OBs. Seems to be working fine.
Same.. Not too sure what this is all about. It should encourage you ALL to squad up. C'mon its less than 1000WP each, this really is not hard to do! If I run solo and lay links I make 3500wp in one dom.
Longest PLC Kill - 193.71m
Logi mk.0 - Com gk.0 - Scout gk.0 - Ass ak.0
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Thurak1
Psygod9
936
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:26:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
NA its not that bad.
I mean with how many kills i get with my burst hmg now its easy to get 1k wp's per game. |
Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
2326
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:28:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Requires a good squad effort, as it should, get a 5-6man squad and get to work..
Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
1078
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:33:00 -
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Whats that line always thrown at us lone wolves? Oh right... its a team game. Quit complaining about have to have actual roles to perform in your team game.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
700
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:40:00 -
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I thought 5000 WP was a little high myself, but I've changed my mind after playing. If you're in a decent squad, it's not hard to get one or two. And it promotes team play, which is good.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Thurak1
Psygod9
936
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Posted - 2014.08.19 00:48:00 -
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One thing that is nice now with the ob being 5k is when getting steamrolled at least you dont get nailed by orbital after orbital on top of it all. |
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
948
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Posted - 2014.08.19 01:50:00 -
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The part that pisses me off is it's not going to stop armor repair farming.
Eternal Beings - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
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Nobinishi
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
18
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:30:00 -
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So what you're trying to say is that a six man squad should put in little to no effort to get the strongest application of force in the game. 840 WPs ......really.....god forbid you use teamwork...that be too OP...It's fine the way it is.
416 WPs ...seriously what kind of effort is that to get OBs previously...kill like what...4 people and drop an uplink and get 4 spawns 4 assists and use a needle 1 time..huh.....lool...
Now you got to actually fight and push your opponents, not that previous garbage, of spamming
Check the Bass Bruh !! My bad still figurin' out the buttons..
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3063
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Posted - 2014.08.19 11:22:00 -
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Double, unedited post. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3063
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Posted - 2014.08.19 11:23:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Sounds like you're against teamwork and well diverse squads...
You know, what an effective squad would be? What Dust is supposed to be focused at? |
IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
164
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Posted - 2014.08.19 11:27:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
164
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Posted - 2014.08.19 11:29:00 -
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obs are fine its just that scubs are trying to get 1 and almost eveyone you play with plays like a scrub lol i no longer do dom as i can decide outcome of bush by myself
Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3861
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:04:00 -
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Its fine, gg scrub |
Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
311
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:11:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
3 or 4 people can easily get a barrage... Without a logi... Get into a squad, it's a team game. |
Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
770
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Posted - 2014.08.19 12:55:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote: 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
um.. no, 5000 WP is 2 tankers in Ambush OMS
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H0riz0n Unlimit
Inner.Hell
122
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:28:00 -
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Squad from 1-3 players ->2500 wp; squad from 4-6 players 5000 wp. Thats what i think it should be
Tanker since I was born -- Want back my blaster -- Madrugar 1125/6753 -- Reduce weakspot dimension
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5234
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:40:00 -
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H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:Squad from 1-3 players ->2500 wp; squad from 4-6 players 5000 wp. Thats what i think it should be
That's a quality idea I reckon.
Didn't you mention that a while back?, about 2 maybe less months ago?.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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lunatis orrak
Battlefield Brawlers
44
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:46:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Dropped 2 consistently yesterday 100 points from dropping 3 last night do not see a problem run a organized sqaud don't worry you'll get one one day.
Would like to add that not being able to drop obs constantly on the heads of the whole enemy team cowering on the mushroom on a map such as skim junction makes it more aggravating but not a problem
CHUBBY CHASER FOR LIFE
!BEWARE MY FAT BULLDOGS!
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1307
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Posted - 2014.08.19 14:21:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Considering obitals now hit inside buildings...
Huh? |
Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
383
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:26:00 -
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Before charlie, everyone was dropping orbitals where they only could. We were dropped OBs for 1 redberry trying to hide. Yes 2,5k was too low.
5k is good. You can still get 1 with random squad and 2-3 with good squad.
If you want more WP, drop few links, destroy few vehicles and go slay some reds.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1973
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:28:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Its called Hard work, not spam Links and Hives... Even with 5000 WP cost, we dropped 3 in one match last night... It was good fight and blue berries lost it for us... Could you imagine if it was still 2500 WP ?! We wouldn't have to bother with the Blue berries.... |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:51:00 -
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"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools
Saying what's on people's minds
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1973
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:06:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools
# GetGudScrub |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
425
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:13:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools # GetGudScrub
#Getagfvirginnerd
Saying what's on people's minds
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emtbraincase
Savage Bullet
199
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:24:00 -
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My corp was discussing just this idea for awhile. I was trying to explain why I actually like the raise, but would've understood 4000-4500WP/Strike. Since most of them play in squad with me, they understood what I meant. Here is the best I can recreate my explanation (and hopefully why this isn't so bad at 5k). Realize all of this I am discussing is almost only done in Adv suits before the WP change, and the new numbers have been more Proto suit than before because of reasons that will get mentioned. Not exhaustive, just best ones I heard so far to change them again, and anyone can have someone like those I mention from here out (infntry or vehicle, but my vehicles guys are really good).......just takes SP, abandoning all other playstyles in favor of it until completed and practice.
1) Decrease WP cost for non-full squads-------A truly dedicated logi (meaning if on a team of 5, he is the only person refusing to farm in an amazing pilot's tricked out ADS, because he knows he can outscore ANYTHING he can get in a ship, at any time) will get more than 2000WP/Match regularly, 2500-3500 often, and 3501+ once in awhile (barring perfect-storm like situations in which we can pump out 7500+ WP). You can see how this skews the numbers that a squad can achieve. If someone wants the squad size to decrease the WP cost of a strike, then it is possible, unless that number is over 2500 WP, that I (and many others like me) will form 1-man logi squads simply to farm orbitals, while the rest of the team will earn on a slightly reduced scale. We may get 2 orbitals where only 1 was possible before. Thus, it is actually disincentive for people to form full squads, instead of a 5/1 configuration that nearly reduces the cost for any number of orbitals.
2) Drop it back down to a lower number than 5k WP---------- As above, the ease of gaining a single orbital has not changed for my squads possibilities. The only thing that 5k WP per strike has done is reduced the max number of strikes we can release in a match has gone from 8-9 OB's in a single match (missed 9 by ~250 WP, so acting as if we got there since it's a maximum) to no more than 4. It may seem insignificant, but we rarely drop more than 2 now, and regularly would have 2-3 people in a squad have earned their own 2500 WP orbital before. It helps random noobs that we were orbitaling to death beforehand. We don't like it, but we can adjust, and generally have.
3) Some maps aren't fun anymore--------sometimes, on certain maps, the best strategy changes. I was pissed when I realized the THE supply depot was less important because you couldn't orbital yourself to victory anymore from it's friendsly confines.
Fewer orbitals means more pewpew, and vehicles take a more important role since they can't do their Logi impersonation without serious disadvantages any longer, and earn now (just as with the logi) at the expense of boots/guns on the ground. I am also using Proto now (1 suit per game) because I can't be guaranteed an orbital is even gonna come in the whole match. No respawn means I gotta have all we could need from the start. I lose 1 proto suit each match, which I didn't use for the several months prior even once (and got relatively equal scores).
So, I can't believe I'm saying this but..........I think the 5k WP per orbital is actually a good thing overall. CCP got it right, even though I thought at first that it was insane as well. But after playing it awhile it makes some sense, just not necessarily for the reasons I mention.
TL;DR I thought 5kWP was crazy at first as well, but is actually right because of hopefully logical reasons |
Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
55
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:07:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools
Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. Everyone here seems so insecure about their ability like teenagers are about there **** size. 'Oh yeah, my squad of faggoty proto stompers got 10 OB's yesterday, git gud scrub lololololololololololololol' 
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5243
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:19:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. Everyone here seems so insecure about their ability like teenagers are about there **** size. 'Oh yeah, my squad of faggoty proto stompers got 10 OB's yesterday, git gud scrub lololololololololololololol'
It would seem that you are either both crap, or both insecure about your ability to get orbitals.
Which one?.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
3874
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:25:00 -
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I think 5000 is a little too high. 4k would have been fine.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:41:00 -
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5000 is perfect.
Teams now get only one or two (on average). This encourages squad leaders to save them for tactical purposes and not just use them to farm kills.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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emm kay
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
180
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:48:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
not that hard to get.
I had a solo orbital the other day.
I also squadded with CCP archduke and got 2 in one game :)
--
You called, sir?
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Gaurdian Satyr
Glitched Connection
303
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:30:00 -
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i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves?
aaaaaaaaand im dead from more BS again
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
55
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:18:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves?
THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!! Oh yeah, and guys, remember that you can't have full squads in any match, because it will be 6, 6, 4. That last squad will find it a lot harder to get an OB. We're not all insecure protostomping vets. I think 4k is a good number.
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5247
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:29:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Gaurdian Satyr wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves? THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!! Oh yeah, and guys, remember that you can't have full squads in any match, because it will be 6, 6, 4. That last squad will find it a lot harder to get an OB. We're not all insecure protostomping vets. I think 4k is a good number.
Yeah that's cool.
I'm down with my 3 man squad going from 1-2 up to 3-4 OBS a match.
I'm sure players will have a much easier time making an impact on the battle getting nuked every 3 mins right?.
We get what you are saying but you clearly do not understand what you are proposing.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5247
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:34:00 -
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Why is it that every time we try to make it fairer for newbs so they don't get smashed, theres always the fence that wants to make it 'fairer' by going back to smashing the sht out of them again?.
Ulterior motives indeed and very obvious.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:44:00 -
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Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well...
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:49:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well...
Yeah fair point.
I guess I can't see past my own elitist bullsht although I'm not really that amazing, just consistently good no matter what.
Iv read a lot of inspiring stuff concerning dust recently, iv decided that I'm going to stick with matches that are a guaranteed fail and help the newb/new/newer players regardless.
Its nothing to do with k/d or isk, but fun.
Edit: That's why I quit natches pronto, no fun in banging your head off a wall repeatedly just to watch a bunch of newbs trying to fk a door knob, so to speak.
I'll go with it from now on.
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:50:00 -
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lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before.
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before.
I don't agree with that. I have been on the loosing side a few times since charlie and my squad still manages to get an orbital or 2.
It requires more effort yes but its not unobtainable.
Heck its harder sometimes when the team is winning because its a huge race to see who gets the kill first when a red dot pokes out of the redline. |
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well...
 5633 WPs 10/5 in a dom with a Logi basic M-1 suit basic shields & armor with only a core rep tool....healed every person I saw without full HP and still lost the match. You don't need full proto. People need to apply effort in what they do. It is who wants it more, who is willing to learn from their mistakes and improve on their gameplay is what seperates the proficiency of players in any pvp game.
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emm kay wrote:I also squadded with CCP archduke and got 2 in one game :)
That game was fun, I was actually about to comment here mentioning that one. Good game, emm kay!
Gaurdian Satyr wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves?
Yes, and yes. While I would advise you to avoid using offensive language on the Forum, I do agree. We were discussing this in depth with CCP Logibro and GM Scotsman, and is on my long list of stuff that I will bring up on our next meeting, and just won't stop poking people until something gets done about it.
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Nobinishi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well... 5633 WPs 10/5 in a dom with a Logi basic M-1 suit basic shields & armor with only a core rep tool....healed every person I saw without full HP and still lost the match. You don't need full proto. People need to apply effort in what they do. It is who wants it more, who is willing to learn from their mistakes and improve on their gameplay is what seperates the proficiency of players in any pvp game.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:46:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves?
its not exactly a feat to get 2k WP solo in pub matches and have fun at the same time, so your 3-4 man squads should have no issue getting at least one OB a match considering you get 20% plus leader commission more WP just by using squad orders
I played a single match before i set off to work in the morning using just dren gear and still got 4k, was pretty fun, got to work, wasn't nearly as fun :P
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:26:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before.
OBs make pubstomps even stompier, and never ameliorate them, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees. |
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:41:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. OBs make pubstomps even stompier, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees.
The massive rig pumps out tunes
Everyone stomps around the speakers
Orbitals are blue ish
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:19:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. OBs make pubstomps even stompier, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees. The massive rig pumps out tunes Everyone stomps around the speakers Orbitals are blue ish
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:31:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. OBs make pubstomps even stompier, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees. The massive rig pumps out tunes Everyone stomps around the speakers Orbitals are blue ish +1 even though I don't know what this is
'The rig' is the term used for the sound system used at a rave.
Stomping is a kind of drug induce dance to thumping techno music lol.
My eyes are brown.
Thought I may as well make that a haiku ish as well lol.
Edit: Well it's not drug induced but rather that the people there are so wasted that they can only really dance like a zombie lol. I don't do drugs either except weed and occasionally booze but I have a lot of buddies who get on that once a month lol.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:33:00 -
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Im happy it prevents OB spam but i think it should of been easier to get OB's based on squad size.
1 person 1500Wp
2 people 2000 or 2500WP
3 people 2500 or 3000WP
and so on
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:35:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:Im happy it prevents OB spam but i think it should of been easier to get OB's based on squad size.
1 person 1500Wp
2 people 2000 or 2500WP
3 people 2500 or 3000WP
and so on
I do like this idea, again lol.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:37:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Zindorak wrote:Im happy it prevents OB spam but i think it should of been easier to get OB's based on squad size.
1 person 1500Wp
2 people 2000 or 2500WP
3 people 2500 or 3000WP
and so on I do like this idea, again lol.
Sorry this was already stated? i just thought of this so i decided to post it
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:50:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Zindorak wrote:Im happy it prevents OB spam but i think it should of been easier to get OB's based on squad size.
1 person 1500Wp
2 people 2000 or 2500WP
3 people 2500 or 3000WP
and so on I do like this idea, again lol. Sorry this was already stated? i just thought of this so i decided to post it
Hehe, I'd jack them up 250-500 per tier though.
I'm not boasting but 1500 is pretty easy.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:56:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
didnt i do this kind of thread not a week or two ago? but i do agree 5k is too much.. 3750(625 per person)-4000 would be more sound.. preffering 4000 cause its 666.6 points per person in a team of 6
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TechMechMeds wrote:I wouldn't mind going back to dropping around 6 ish+ OBS a match.
Sounds good, totally reasonable.
i wouldnt mind seeing maybe 4 orbitals a match in skirmish.. maybe 6 in domination.. perhaps 1 or 2 in ambush
i dotn get why bitter-vets have a hard-on for 5k points when 4k seems fair and reasonable.. oh wait i can.. they like to be on unfair advantages so they as a squad can rake in the uber points and drop those orbitals with out worry of the other team dropping them
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Zindorak wrote:Im happy it prevents OB spam but i think it should of been easier to get OB's based on squad size.
1 person 1500Wp
2 people 2000 or 2500WP
3 people 2500 or 3000WP
and so on
thats bad.. as in an intense domination i can get 3k+ pretty fast. if there is a nice meatgrinder to harvest mucho WPs from
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:46:00 -
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5000 WP for an orbital is fine, in an even match or if your on the winning side of a Pub Stomp.
However I would say that Domination and Skirmish gamemodes should have a DEFCON level for the loosing team that does one of the follwing.
1) Periodically awards the team with an orbital
2) Significantly reduces WP requirment for that team
3) Significantly increases WP rewards for that team
4) Periodically drops in Infantry Aggressive Turrets
This should be maintained until the loosing team returns to level pegging and cannot be earned agai by either team.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:04:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I wouldn't mind going back to dropping around 6 ish+ OBS a match.
Sounds good, totally reasonable. i wouldnt mind seeing maybe 4 orbitals a match in skirmish.. maybe 6 in domination.. perhaps 1 or 2 in ambush i dotn get why bitter-vets have a hard-on for 5k points when 4k seems fair and reasonable.. oh wait i can.. they like to be on unfair advantages so they as a squad can rake in the uber points and drop those orbitals with out worry of the other team dropping them
Wtf did I just read?.
No, its to stop us getting a sh!t load per match actually, some of us dont to go back to nuking newbs whenever they start making a comeback in a match.
Games are now won through gunplay a lot more than they used to be.
Why is his do hard yo understand?.
I'm also all for lowering proto sp and isk costs for newbs, I guess that means that I just want cheaper proto for myself right?.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:10:00 -
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I've been getting like 4 orbitals in some matches in 6 man squads, so 8-9 orbitals for a squad was a serious overkill. Even with 3750 WP for orbital that would be 5-6, which is overkill too. But yeah, in regular matches it's maybe 1 or 2 orbitals for a squad and since it happens so rarely you don't find any use for it when you get one. It's really tough to balance it when it's based on WP.
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TechMechMeds wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I wouldn't mind going back to dropping around 6 ish+ OBS a match.
Sounds good, totally reasonable. i wouldnt mind seeing maybe 4 orbitals a match in skirmish.. maybe 6 in domination.. perhaps 1 or 2 in ambush i dotn get why bitter-vets have a hard-on for 5k points when 4k seems fair and reasonable.. oh wait i can.. they like to be on unfair advantages so they as a squad can rake in the uber points and drop those orbitals with out worry of the other team dropping them Wtf did I just read?. No, its to stop us getting a sh!t load per match actually, some of us dont to go back to nuking newbs whenever they start making a comeback in a match. Games are now won through gunplay a lot more than they used to be. Why is his do hard yo understand?. I'm also all for lowering proto sp and isk costs for newbs, I guess that means that I just want cheaper proto for myself right?.
*shrug* i still just feel 5000 was too much of a hike vs what it used to be.. but even so at 5k the winners still use them to dish out some butthurt retrebution or an additional kick while were on the floor..
butthurt retrebution.. basically one example is i just kileld a dude in a proto suit at a cap point i cap it next thing i know orbital gets me and i was the only one there.. so it was either wasted or pure unadulterated butthurt cause he lost a protosuit.. no matter the WP cost they will always be used and miss-used
atleast CCP should let us try it at 4k points and see how it goes, if its not recived well after maybe 3 week of testing (1 week to submit the change to PSN) then it can go back to 5k.. cause atm thats what all these hotfixes are about.. finding the balance.. because we all know ccp is goign to be using this data for legion too
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:22:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:I wouldn't mind going back to dropping around 6 ish+ OBS a match.
Sounds good, totally reasonable. i wouldnt mind seeing maybe 4 orbitals a match in skirmish.. maybe 6 in domination.. perhaps 1 or 2 in ambush i dotn get why bitter-vets have a hard-on for 5k points when 4k seems fair and reasonable.. oh wait i can.. they like to be on unfair advantages so they as a squad can rake in the uber points and drop those orbitals with out worry of the other team dropping them Wtf did I just read?. No, its to stop us getting a sh!t load per match actually, some of us dont to go back to nuking newbs whenever they start making a comeback in a match. Games are now won through gunplay a lot more than they used to be. Why is his do hard yo understand?. I'm also all for lowering proto sp and isk costs for newbs, I guess that means that I just want cheaper proto for myself right?. *shrug* i still just feel 5000 was too much of a hike vs what it used to be.. but even so at 5k the winners still use them to dish out some butthurt retrebution or an additional kick while were on the floor.. butthurt retrebution.. basically one example is i just kileld a dude in a proto suit at a cap point i cap it next thing i know orbital gets me and i was the only one there.. so it was either wasted or pure unadulterated butthurt cause he lost a protosuit.. no matter the WP cost they will always be used and miss-used atleast CCP should let us try it at 4k points and see how it goes, if its not recived well after maybe 3 week of testing (1 week to submit the change to PSN) then it can go back to 5k.. cause atm thats what all these hotfixes are about.. finding the balance.. because we all know ccp is goign to be using this data for legion too
I understand but the reality is that the cheaper OBS are, the more butthurt retribution and nukes every few mins you will get.
I literally got so bored if dropping OBS that I neither wanted to be squad leader or even wanted to drop them. Its just cheap free kills and as you said, butthurt retribution.
I wouldn't mind 4k wp for OBS but the reality is that its just more OBS for vets and still little - nothing for newer/less adept players.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:29:00 -
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As the old saying goes.
"perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you"
Well that's the best part of a quote anyway, but it is not taken out of context.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:32:00 -
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Lol I rarely get anything more than two people in a squad because none of my friends are online..... Always just me and the same guy hitting 1k WP a match each..... But with more people it isn't too hard to get 5k WP. I honestly think that the amount of WP it takes to get an orbital depends on the amount in a squad. If you run 6 guys in a squad, 5k is around 800 WP each, and that is easy enough. But if you run smaller squads like 2,3,4 people, its harder. For two man squads, you each need to get 2500 WP, which is a solo orbital in the olden days. For three, you each need to clear 1600 WP for a orbital, and you don't see those often. For a four man squad, its 1250 WP for one orbital. What I usually see in pubs are people who get 1000-1500 at the top. As you get lower, the numbers range from 1000-500. That means that a typical 6 man squad would achieve one orbital that match, saying that they all got the top 6 spots. If a typical 3 man squad all got into the top, they wouldn't get an orbital, just because the requirement is so high for them. The only way for a two man squad to get an orbital as I see it is for two logi's to support the whole team with uplinks, nanohives, and reps. I don't have numbers for what the WP should be for the amount of people, but I do hope that it will change.
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Krixus Flux wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools # GetGudScrub #Getagfvirginnerd
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NAV HIV wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:NAV HIV wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools # GetGudScrub #Getagfvirginnerd #LameComeBacks
you got him there
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:22:00 -
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THE ONLY FORMULA THAT WILL WORK!
1 man squad: 2500
2 man squad: 3000
3 man squad: 3500
4 man squad: 4000
5 man squad: 4500
6 man squad: 5000
Anything else: Ill find something better to play! (Defiance is awesome-for a free game) HUGE maps!
Dust is a BORING mess! All you people do is suck ALL the FUN out of it! Nerf this buff that. Get your shitz together! Your RUINING my player experience!
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:50:00 -
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ROADKILLURAZZ wrote:THE ONLY FORMULA THAT WILL WORK!
1 man squad: 2500
if by work, you mean anyone that knows what the R1 and L1 buttons do will get at least one OB a match
lol
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Posted - 2014.08.20 18:50:00 -
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What you talking about?
3 merc, ambush oms, and 2 obis ;0
3 merc, ambush, 1 obis.
2 asaluts, 1 logi, 34 nano hives droped (triage and proto), 12 uplinks droped.
So, 5000 wp for full squad is nothink.
Good day ;)
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Hi, I'd like to--... whoa--How many pages is this threa---oH MY LOURDE?!
I remember the videos and interviews that CCP used to sell Dust 514 at its early Beta/May-Release periods. The mercs assaulted a district with the objective being complete control of the stratosphere above the district (to stop any enemy MCCs from parking) and a single top-notch prize of activating the super-gun (can't recall it's actual name) that was able to destroy warbages and enemy vessels OUTISDE the stratosphere.
An "Orbital Strike" was a component that could only come from a Capsuleer, as a very infrequent support tool helping crack an enemy that the mercs were having trouble with. Even the Capsuleer had to WORK to build up that O-B ability. She had to NOT ONLY earn the shot through her actions above the planet's surface, but she ALSO had to sacrifice some modules to rig up her spaceship with heafty enough gunnery, and hope the guns she was able to mount and bring were potent enough to but a respectful enough crater on the enemy's head. O-Bs were always meant by CCP to be seen very rarely, used very sparingly, and earned with the sweat off your caboose. I don't even think CCP envisioned the'd appear in every engagement/assualt.
15 months passed its release, and CCP has to grapple with the fact that "a crowd of players" is packed into a battle-map the size of a fishbowl. It can be legitimately argued there are too many vehicles that can step into these matches, argued there are too may turret-installations, even argued there are too many structures and buildings sometimes,... and an arguement can be validly made in CCP's mind that there are either too many destructive components squeezed onto the fight at any one time OR that the destructive components like the "Warbage Strike" are interrupting the fight-momentum far too frequently for a map this tiny. ( Warbarge Strike is what we impulsively are returning to calling the Orbital Strike, when we aren't spending enough time in FW matches to recognize the differences, LOL)
I can't agree one way or the other what the best solution is here.
Should CCP maintain their (valid) point of view... which seems to be that "Strikes" are to be VERY infrequent (sometimes none) in an assault/battle/pub match?
Should Public-Match mercs have to GRIND (that is what we're kinda doing) to earn a Warbage-S as much, maybe less, or maybe more, than the Capsuleer earns her Orbital-S in Faction-Wars (to try to immitate the INFREQUENCY of Strikes that we'd typically have from Capsuleers during FWs or PCs)?
Should Warbarge Strikes be "managed" by CCP so they be more "democratic or fair" to both top-tier and lower-tier opponents (sort of the way Aim-Assist was orchestrated to create a "fairness" all teirs of players could benefit a little from)?
I like the "infrequency" of support strikes of ANY kind, so I am comfortable with the whopper 5000 WP grind,... but I have compasion for questions #2 & 3, especially in these tiny Public Match maps. And I don't know how to answer them.
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
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Mregomies
Beer For Evil Mercs
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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:28:00 -
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Mregomies wrote:Nobinishi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well... 5633 WPs 10/5 in a dom with a Logi basic M-1 suit basic shields & armor with only a core rep tool....healed every person I saw without full HP and still lost the match. You don't need full proto. People need to apply effort in what they do. It is who wants it more, who is willing to learn from their mistakes and improve on their gameplay is what seperates the proficiency of players in any pvp game. You must be me? see my sig. Logibro
OK!
Last night I did my first solo orbital after hotfix Charlie.
Job done as a logistic
Result: DEFEAT
It was close battle... enemy MCC was 1 click from termination and they had 10 clones.
We had objective but outcloned.
good game... good game...
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
439
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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:55:00 -
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Why have 5000 WPs for a pub game? Not everyone here runs in a squad or have the time to get a 6 man squad, which makes it easier to obtain 5000 WPs. Not everyone isn't a thumbstick jockey like so many "elitist" in this thread.
To reply with things like "get gud scrub" or "how bad are you" shows your lack of simple understanding of individuals that differ from you. It sucks.
The gap has only widen and yet again, we are forced to play a certain way when Dust was touted as a game where freedom is yours in the choices you make, but you would not be limited by them.
I should not be working extra hard to gain WPs in a pub match where competitiveness is not as great as it once were. I don't have many connections in this game. I'm in and out kind of player. Yet mechanics like these cater to a certain kind of player while alienating another kind. I should be afforded the same options as a much often solo player or 3 man squad player as those who are lifers, who have multiple in game friends that they constantly squad up with. Of course they don't see 5000 WPs as a problem. Their life is Dust.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Mregomies
Beer For Evil Mercs
238
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Posted - 2014.08.21 06:19:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Why have 5000 WPs for a pub game? Not everyone here runs in a squad or have the time to get a 6 man squad, which makes it easier to obtain 5000 WPs. Not everyone isn't a thumbstick jockey like so many "elitist" in this thread.
To reply with things like "get gud scrub" or "how bad are you" shows your lack of simple understanding of individuals that differ from you. It sucks.
The gap has only widen and yet again, we are forced to play a certain way when Dust was touted as a game where freedom is yours in the choices you make, but you would not be limited by them.
I should not be working extra hard to gain WPs in a pub match where competitiveness is not as great as it once were. I don't have many connections in this game. I'm in and out kind of player. Yet mechanics like these cater to a certain kind of player while alienating another kind. I should be afforded the same options as a much often solo player or 3 man squad player as those who are lifers, who have multiple in game friends that they constantly squad up with. Of course they don't see 5000 WPs as a problem. Their life is Dust.
I mostly run solo and gain around 2000-3000WP. You should try to squad up with random people right at the start of the round if you want to help your team to gain OBs.
My "connections" went AFK after Legion annoucment.
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2014.08.21 13:41:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:emm kay wrote:I also squadded with CCP archduke and got 2 in one game :) That game was fun, I was actually about to comment here mentioning that one. Good game, emm kay! Gaurdian Satyr wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves? Yes, and yes. While I would advise you to avoid using offensive language on the Forum, I do agree. We were discussing this in depth with CCP Logibro and GM Scotsman, and is on my long list of stuff that I will bring up on our next meeting, and just won't stop poking people until something gets done about it.
But very little about getting orbitals has to do with "always running proto" gear. And saying "I only play for fun" vs. the try hard thing is also nothing that should be considered in order to balance them. Orbitals kill everything not allowing revives which costs hella isk, and 98% of the time they can not be dodged. i cant think of any competitive game (that's tooken seriously) where a mechanic as cheap and damaging as an orbital is made easy to get. If you are going to lower what it takes to get an orbital again then lower the damage. Or make orbitals like in fw where they just kill shields. I bet if you look at the statistics since the orbital change a lot more people have been rolling out better gear making matches a bit more even, therefore a bit more fun. Also ITT the people who are complaining are the gross minority. PS why don't you guys instead focus on fixing things like spawning, it's been a problem for over a year, or the problem with RDVs. |
NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1989
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Posted - 2014.08.21 13:54:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:Why have 5000 WPs for a pub game? Not everyone here runs in a squad or have the time to get a 6 man squad, which makes it easier to obtain 5000 WPs. Not everyone isn't a thumbstick jockey like so many "elitist" in this thread.
To reply with things like "get gud scrub" or "how bad are you" shows your lack of simple understanding of individuals that differ from you. It sucks.
The gap has only widen and yet again, we are forced to play a certain way when Dust was touted as a game where freedom is yours in the choices you make, but you would not be limited by them.
I should not be working extra hard to gain WPs in a pub match where competitiveness is not as great as it once were. I don't have many connections in this game. I'm in and out kind of player. Yet mechanics like these cater to a certain kind of player while alienating another kind. I should be afforded the same options as a much often solo player or 3 man squad player as those who are lifers, who have multiple in game friends that they constantly squad up with. Of course they don't see 5000 WPs as a problem. Their life is Dust.
# Higher WP cost for WP, motivates players to actually use team work....
# What gap ?! You don't need to wear Proto to get 5k WP... You just need a brain and proper team work
# If you don't have the time, don't feel like getting in a squad, then stop complaining about it...
# Freedom is there... Choices you make, would determine the outcome. . . Be a Solo redline sniper and don't do much or Use proper teamwork, Press "Select" in game, go to "Team" tab and join a random squad that has a room... Help that squad get an OB.... Choice is yours, freedom is yours... You can choose to get an OB or you could just run around Solo and stop complaining about it...
# Just because a player has friends it makes them a No Lifer ?! There are multiple chat channels for random blue berrie, just type LFS in those, there would be an invite for someone like you too !!! Or just type LFS in Local if you don't have the time to join a Chat channel
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1750
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Posted - 2014.08.21 15:02:00 -
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Bobs urges wrote:RayRay James wrote:Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns Jesus, it's almost like they want you to be working in a team or something.... Shut the front door!!
Hey hey hey now. Lets not get crazy. We all know that team work is OP and a total abuse of the games mechanics. Everyone is supposed to be running solo and never communicating; a fact totally made clear by voice chat not being an op out system rather than a opt in.
Fun > Realism
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NAV HIV
The Generals
Anime Empire.
1991
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Posted - 2014.08.21 15:06:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Bobs urges wrote:RayRay James wrote:Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns Jesus, it's almost like they want you to be working in a team or something.... Shut the front door!! Hey hey hey now. Lets not get crazy. We all know that team work is OP and a total abuse of the games mechanics. Everyone is supposed to be running solo and never communicating; a fact totally made clear by voice chat not being an op out system rather than a opt in.
Yeah! Comms are OP Nerf it... Also Nerf Eyesight, Common sense, Sense of Direction and that Useless Mini Map... |
Taurion Bruni
D3ATH CARD
255
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Posted - 2014.08.21 15:07:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:2500/4 (old squad size) = 625 x 6 (new squad size) = 3750. 3750 should have been the new orbital cost when the squad limit got raised to 6. We even told CCP this -- but once again CCP doesn't listen to the community until its too late. We dont know what goes on in-game even though we play it every week/day...
but you need to remember we now get WP for things we did not get before. like Intel kill assists.
they also removed the WP cap for repairs.
with this in mind, it has become easier to earn an orbital since the 4 man squad was in place, so 625WP has only gotten easier to achieve.
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ROADKILLURAZZ
MURDER TAXI COMPANY
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Posted - 2014.08.21 15:36:00 -
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What you clowns FAIL to realize is: If mercs dont die, YOU DONT GET PAID! Every time a merc gets revived, thats less money going into final payouts!
Every time a proto corp steam rolls the noobs, the match is over before it even starts. The noobs give up and snipe from redline. At least before, you could drop orbital on objective and give the noobs a fighting chance.
The matches are ending with 100+ mercs on either side. What a waste of time! |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
444
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Posted - 2014.08.21 17:05:00 -
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Mregomies wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:Why have 5000 WPs for a pub game? Not everyone here runs in a squad or have the time to get a 6 man squad, which makes it easier to obtain 5000 WPs. Not everyone isn't a thumbstick jockey like so many "elitist" in this thread.
To reply with things like "get gud scrub" or "how bad are you" shows your lack of simple understanding of individuals that differ from you. It sucks.
The gap has only widen and yet again, we are forced to play a certain way when Dust was touted as a game where freedom is yours in the choices you make, but you would not be limited by them.
I should not be working extra hard to gain WPs in a pub match where competitiveness is not as great as it once were. I don't have many connections in this game. I'm in and out kind of player. Yet mechanics like these cater to a certain kind of player while alienating another kind. I should be afforded the same options as a much often solo player or 3 man squad player as those who are lifers, who have multiple in game friends that they constantly squad up with. Of course they don't see 5000 WPs as a problem. Their life is Dust. I mostly run solo and gain around 2000-3000WP. You should try to squad up with random people right at the start of the round if you want to help your team to gain OBs. My "connections" went AFK after Legion annoucment.
Yea bro thats great and it has been done. But its not a guaranteed solution always.
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.21 17:23:00 -
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ROADKILLURAZZ wrote:What you clowns FAIL to realize is: If mercs dont die, YOU DONT GET PAID! Every time a merc gets revived, thats less money going into final payouts!
Every time a proto corp steam rolls the noobs, the match is over before it even starts. The noobs give up and snipe from redline. At least before, you could drop orbital on objective and give the noobs a fighting chance.
The matches are ending with 100+ mercs on either side. What a waste of time!
 Oh, clowns or not, (...wait, what?) we realized it, Roadkillurazz... In an actual PC match, every clone life taken or preserved is ISK lost or gained to our EVE client (and our Merc contract hinges on it).
But there's still a persisting arugument among us (and a valid one, in my opinion), that a group of red Newberrys or just counter-purposed vets who get pitted against a group of blue organized Newberrys or better vets,... NEEDS to lose the match by 100+ lives. The justification could be explained as: In a game about dice there should always be "fair winning", but in a game about combat there should be something respected as "a fair slaughter", and the poorer team shouldn't get consolation weaponry.
But even if the subject's not about that debate, I think CCP has revealed it enough times that they are constantly concerned that this stay a game about FOOT-fights as the star of the show---and they are careful to make sure Dust doesn't slip into being an HAV-game primarily, or front-stage for the Dropships (we had that struggle last year), or a game called 'Orbitals Galaxy: use your orbitals to dodge your enemy while trying to stop him from getting to his first! (not recommended for children under 3 without supervision )"
Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne...
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emtbraincase
Savage Bullet
204
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Posted - 2014.08.24 04:16:00 -
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Several people want 1500 WP/OB, increasing to 6-man 5k WP/OB.
Said this before, but apparently it needs repeated......
Make the change NOW because I can't friggin wait to drop bombs continually on newbs. If you want to make it where I, and those like me (there are a TON of us out there), can do the following things, please implement that change now:
1) enter a match with friends in 6-man squad (2 of us are Logi)
2) as soon as we enter the match we stay in private chat and form 3 separate squads [(2) 1-man logi sqds & (1) 4-man heavy/scout/vehicle squad]
3) Me and the other logi proceed to get 3000 WP each, and the squad of 4 gets 1500 average/person (this is not difficult with ADV suits/Pro Equip)
4) due to new rules, me and my fellow Logi get 2 OB's each (total of 4), and my 4-man gets 2 as well (new total of 6 with all accounted for).....this is opposed to the 2-3 we generally get a match as it stands.
These are not ravings, or bragging, but the cold hard facts some don't wanna see. This change has actually minimized the chance of my team stomping you into the ground. A good logi can get 3k WP pretty easily (if you are one and can't, rethink your chosen profession or ask for help), and should always clear 1500 WP/match or it is likely a failure or a rout. Giving someone like that a chance to get 2-3 OB's for the same amount of work, then you are kidding yourself if you think we won't abuse the hell out of this. Funny thing is we have been trying to tell you 1-3 man squadders this will happen if you do it, so you will only be hurting yourselves once you can actually get into a 6-man or we decide to break off into (2) 3-man squads.
TL;DR: Make 1-man squads require less WP for an orbital and you are guaranteed that myself and other semi-competent Logi will solobomb the **** outta any match we enter. |
emtbraincase
Savage Bullet
204
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Posted - 2014.08.24 13:46:00 -
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Just realized something that could help getting past the guaranteed abuse.......make OB's cost increasing amounts of WP. First OB costs 3000 WP, but the 2nd is 4k, the 3rd is 5k, and 1k more for each additional orbital. This would mean the following:
1 OB=3000 WP total
2 OB=7000 WP total
3 OB=12000 WP total
4 OB=18000 WP total
etc
Solo players can still drop one, but I don't get a particular benefit from playing solo to exploit the mechanic. Hopefully this can breathe new life into an older topic, that is considered dead by many, as soon as it is brought up.
If this is in the thread already, sorry I missed it. If not, tell me what is wrong with this idea so I can see where the flaws are (because I'm having a hard time seeing an overall negative, with a bit of compromise from each side). |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3948
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Posted - 2014.08.24 13:52:00 -
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I like 5k as I think it drastically limits my corps 6 man pub stomp squads from just being a little OP and dropping 6-8 ob's in a good match, 2 in a redline bad match.
I see the math is good on pulling it to 4k though and perhaps that might be the sweet spot. 
We're here listening.
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Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
204
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Posted - 2014.08.24 14:12:00 -
[95] - Quote
i don't get tho why are we trying to placate people who don't want to join squads? i can't really find any reason esp. with squad vision from scans why anyone would not want to join a squad? you have a chance to kill more enemies and live longer, meaning more isk and wp/sp for you. the only thing i can see is starting a game and not wanting to wait the twenty seconds for the team list to load, i do agree that is straight up @ss and would be instantly solved by bringing the warbarge back for pubs. if ppl are not joining squads because of the 'challenge of soloing' well lmao
There are some serious reasons to not like squads:
Squad leader takes 5 to 10 minutes doing stupid sht after every ambush to restart a match
make your own squad
Squad leader says you need to have a mic and you don't feel like it
make your own "i don't care if you have a mic or not" squad
Squad is mostly full of the same corp raging and just sounding straight up annoying in general
make your own squad
Even in a squad of 6 children, 5k total is not that far out of reach esp. in doms and skirms
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
6649
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Posted - 2014.08.24 14:28:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns Just ran with a squad that got two OBs. Seems to be working fine. Same.. Not too sure what this is all about. It should encourage you ALL to squad up. C'mon its less than 1000WP each, this really is not hard to do! If I run solo and lay links I make 3500wp in one dom.
Now I'm trying to remember a match where I DIDN'T get more than 1000WP lol
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Minmatar Enthusiast
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