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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:40:00 -
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H0riz0n Unlimit wrote:Squad from 1-3 players ->2500 wp; squad from 4-6 players 5000 wp. Thats what i think it should be
That's a quality idea I reckon.
Didn't you mention that a while back?, about 2 maybe less months ago?.
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There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
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lunatis orrak
Battlefield Brawlers
44
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Posted - 2014.08.19 13:46:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Dropped 2 consistently yesterday 100 points from dropping 3 last night do not see a problem run a organized sqaud don't worry you'll get one one day. Would like to add that not being able to drop obs constantly on the heads of the whole enemy team cowering on the mushroom on a map such as skim junction makes it more aggravating but not a problem
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1307
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Posted - 2014.08.19 14:21:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Considering obitals now hit inside buildings...
Huh? |
Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
383
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Posted - 2014.08.19 15:26:00 -
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Before charlie, everyone was dropping orbitals where they only could. We were dropped OBs for 1 redberry trying to hide. Yes 2,5k was too low.
5k is good. You can still get 1 with random squad and 2-3 with good squad.
If you want more WP, drop few links, destroy few vehicles and go slay some reds.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
1973
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:28:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
Its called Hard work, not spam Links and Hives... Even with 5000 WP cost, we dropped 3 in one match last night... It was good fight and blue berries lost it for us... Could you imagine if it was still 2500 WP ?! We wouldn't have to bother with the Blue berries.... |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:51:00 -
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"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools
Saying what's on people's minds
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NAV HIV
The Generals Anime Empire.
1973
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:06:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools
# GetGudScrub |
Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
425
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:13:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools # GetGudScrub
#Getagfvirginnerd
Saying what's on people's minds
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emtbraincase
Savage Bullet
199
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:24:00 -
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My corp was discussing just this idea for awhile. I was trying to explain why I actually like the raise, but would've understood 4000-4500WP/Strike. Since most of them play in squad with me, they understood what I meant. Here is the best I can recreate my explanation (and hopefully why this isn't so bad at 5k). Realize all of this I am discussing is almost only done in Adv suits before the WP change, and the new numbers have been more Proto suit than before because of reasons that will get mentioned. Not exhaustive, just best ones I heard so far to change them again, and anyone can have someone like those I mention from here out (infntry or vehicle, but my vehicles guys are really good).......just takes SP, abandoning all other playstyles in favor of it until completed and practice.
1) Decrease WP cost for non-full squads-------A truly dedicated logi (meaning if on a team of 5, he is the only person refusing to farm in an amazing pilot's tricked out ADS, because he knows he can outscore ANYTHING he can get in a ship, at any time) will get more than 2000WP/Match regularly, 2500-3500 often, and 3501+ once in awhile (barring perfect-storm like situations in which we can pump out 7500+ WP). You can see how this skews the numbers that a squad can achieve. If someone wants the squad size to decrease the WP cost of a strike, then it is possible, unless that number is over 2500 WP, that I (and many others like me) will form 1-man logi squads simply to farm orbitals, while the rest of the team will earn on a slightly reduced scale. We may get 2 orbitals where only 1 was possible before. Thus, it is actually disincentive for people to form full squads, instead of a 5/1 configuration that nearly reduces the cost for any number of orbitals.
2) Drop it back down to a lower number than 5k WP---------- As above, the ease of gaining a single orbital has not changed for my squads possibilities. The only thing that 5k WP per strike has done is reduced the max number of strikes we can release in a match has gone from 8-9 OB's in a single match (missed 9 by ~250 WP, so acting as if we got there since it's a maximum) to no more than 4. It may seem insignificant, but we rarely drop more than 2 now, and regularly would have 2-3 people in a squad have earned their own 2500 WP orbital before. It helps random noobs that we were orbitaling to death beforehand. We don't like it, but we can adjust, and generally have.
3) Some maps aren't fun anymore--------sometimes, on certain maps, the best strategy changes. I was pissed when I realized the THE supply depot was less important because you couldn't orbital yourself to victory anymore from it's friendsly confines.
Fewer orbitals means more pewpew, and vehicles take a more important role since they can't do their Logi impersonation without serious disadvantages any longer, and earn now (just as with the logi) at the expense of boots/guns on the ground. I am also using Proto now (1 suit per game) because I can't be guaranteed an orbital is even gonna come in the whole match. No respawn means I gotta have all we could need from the start. I lose 1 proto suit each match, which I didn't use for the several months prior even once (and got relatively equal scores).
So, I can't believe I'm saying this but..........I think the 5k WP per orbital is actually a good thing overall. CCP got it right, even though I thought at first that it was insane as well. But after playing it awhile it makes some sense, just not necessarily for the reasons I mention.
TL;DR I thought 5kWP was crazy at first as well, but is actually right because of hopefully logical reasons |
Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:07:00 -
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Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. Everyone here seems so insecure about their ability like teenagers are about there **** size. 'Oh yeah, my squad of faggoty proto stompers got 10 OB's yesterday, git gud scrub lololololololololololololol'
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5243
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:19:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Krixus Flux wrote:"Its a team based game!"
"I get 4000 WPs by myself in my sleep and while my nipples are rubbed"
"5000 isnt that much when you play in squad"
Oh shut up. Its too much you bent over fools Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking. Everyone here seems so insecure about their ability like teenagers are about there **** size. 'Oh yeah, my squad of faggoty proto stompers got 10 OB's yesterday, git gud scrub lololololololololololololol'
It would seem that you are either both crap, or both insecure about your ability to get orbitals.
Which one?.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
3874
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:25:00 -
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I think 5000 is a little too high. 4k would have been fine.
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Duke Noobiam
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:41:00 -
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5000 is perfect.
Teams now get only one or two (on average). This encourages squad leaders to save them for tactical purposes and not just use them to farm kills.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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emm kay
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
180
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:48:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:ok i can understand raising it from 2500 to stop abuse but 5000!! that is a little over the top isnt it..3500 to 4000 is understandable but 5000 is requiring 5-6 man squads and 1 must be a logi harvesting points from revives, heals and spawns
not that hard to get. I had a solo orbital the other day. I also squadded with CCP archduke and got 2 in one game :)
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Gaurdian Satyr
Glitched Connection
303
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:30:00 -
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i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves?
aaaaaaaaand im dead from more BS again
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
55
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:18:00 -
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Gaurdian Satyr wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves? THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!! Oh yeah, and guys, remember that you can't have full squads in any match, because it will be 6, 6, 4. That last squad will find it a lot harder to get an OB. We're not all insecure protostomping vets. I think 4k is a good number.
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5247
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:29:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Gaurdian Satyr wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves? THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!! Oh yeah, and guys, remember that you can't have full squads in any match, because it will be 6, 6, 4. That last squad will find it a lot harder to get an OB. We're not all insecure protostomping vets. I think 4k is a good number.
Yeah that's cool.
I'm down with my 3 man squad going from 1-2 up to 3-4 OBS a match.
I'm sure players will have a much easier time making an impact on the battle getting nuked every 3 mins right?.
We get what you are saying but you clearly do not understand what you are proposing.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5247
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:34:00 -
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Why is it that every time we try to make it fairer for newbs so they don't get smashed, theres always the fence that wants to make it 'fairer' by going back to smashing the sht out of them again?.
Ulterior motives indeed and very obvious.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
58
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:44:00 -
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Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well...
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5247
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:49:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well...
Yeah fair point.
I guess I can't see past my own elitist bullsht although I'm not really that amazing, just consistently good no matter what.
Iv read a lot of inspiring stuff concerning dust recently, iv decided that I'm going to stick with matches that are a guaranteed fail and help the newb/new/newer players regardless.
Its nothing to do with k/d or isk, but fun.
Edit: That's why I quit natches pronto, no fun in banging your head off a wall repeatedly just to watch a bunch of newbs trying to fk a door knob, so to speak.
I'll go with it from now on.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:50:00 -
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lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before.
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Thurak1
Psygod9
938
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:58:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. I don't agree with that. I have been on the loosing side a few times since charlie and my squad still manages to get an orbital or 2. It requires more effort yes but its not unobtainable. Heck its harder sometimes when the team is winning because its a huge race to see who gets the kill first when a red dot pokes out of the redline. |
Nobinishi
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:57:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well...
5633 WPs 10/5 in a dom with a Logi basic M-1 suit basic shields & armor with only a core rep tool....healed every person I saw without full HP and still lost the match. You don't need full proto. People need to apply effort in what they do. It is who wants it more, who is willing to learn from their mistakes and improve on their gameplay is what seperates the proficiency of players in any pvp game.
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
278
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:51:00 -
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emm kay wrote:I also squadded with CCP archduke and got 2 in one game :)
That game was fun, I was actually about to comment here mentioning that one. Good game, emm kay!
Gaurdian Satyr wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves?
Yes, and yes. While I would advise you to avoid using offensive language on the Forum, I do agree. We were discussing this in depth with CCP Logibro and GM Scotsman, and is on my long list of stuff that I will bring up on our next meeting, and just won't stop poking people until something gets done about it.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Mregomies
Beer For Evil Mercs
238
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:41:00 -
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Nobinishi wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:Only the really good players like yourself, Tech, are going to be averaging over 2000wp in order to get 1-2 OB's per match in that 3-man squad you talked about. But what this new wp requirement means is that it's even more difficult for the average player that's getting stomped in a match to at least have a chance. If you're getting stomped, generating 5000wp is immensely difficult, meaning that there is basically no way to turn the tides of battle. The new wp requirement only means that those getting stomped will be stomped harder. I realise that 2500wp was too low, but 5000wp is only accessible to the top players, and will mean that battles will become even more one-sided. I think 4000wp is perfect.
Sorry if I didn't word that very well... 5633 WPs 10/5 in a dom with a Logi basic M-1 suit basic shields & armor with only a core rep tool....healed every person I saw without full HP and still lost the match. You don't need full proto. People need to apply effort in what they do. It is who wants it more, who is willing to learn from their mistakes and improve on their gameplay is what seperates the proficiency of players in any pvp game. You must be me? see my sig. Logibro
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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Tech De Ra
Electronic Sports League
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Posted - 2014.08.20 10:46:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:i really sick of you fucks acting like if your not in a 5-6 man squad at all times that your soloing it.....or that they are pro players always running in proto....have any of you **** thought about those who run 3-4 man squads? or about people not in proto gear? or about the people who try to play for fun not try harding for points? have you thought about the stomping were it was hard to get a orbital anyway by the losing team when it was 2500? have you thought how much more difficult it is now for them to have a major impact on the match? have you thought about anyone else in this game other than yourselves?
its not exactly a feat to get 2k WP solo in pub matches and have fun at the same time, so your 3-4 man squads should have no issue getting at least one OB a match considering you get 20% plus leader commission more WP just by using squad orders
I played a single match before i set off to work in the morning using just dren gear and still got 4k, was pretty fun, got to work, wasn't nearly as fun :P
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Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1582
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:26:00 -
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Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. OBs make pubstomps even stompier, and never ameliorate them, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees. |
TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5250
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:41:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. OBs make pubstomps even stompier, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees.
The massive rig pumps out tunes
Everyone stomps around the speakers
Orbitals are blue ish
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1585
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:19:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. OBs make pubstomps even stompier, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees. The massive rig pumps out tunes Everyone stomps around the speakers Orbitals are blue ish +1 even though I don't know what this is |
TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5253
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:31:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:lol to rephrase better:
What I meant was that OB's have become inaccessible to the losing team, meaning that battles have become more one-sided than before. OBs make pubstomps even stompier, for the simple reason that stompers get more WP than stompees. The massive rig pumps out tunes Everyone stomps around the speakers Orbitals are blue ish +1 even though I don't know what this is
'The rig' is the term used for the sound system used at a rave.
Stomping is a kind of drug induce dance to thumping techno music lol.
My eyes are brown.
Thought I may as well make that a haiku ish as well lol.
Edit: Well it's not drug induced but rather that the people there are so wasted that they can only really dance like a zombie lol. I don't do drugs either except weed and occasionally booze but I have a lot of buddies who get on that once a month lol.
"Oh, look!,
There's, uh, two women f ing a polar bear".
"Don't tell me those things".
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